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gyrobot posted:In a sense working like this was to her a penance for letting someone die because she never told him to find a balance between both his academic and work life which was what was needed for him which by then was too late. I think the whole balance between work life and academic life was more what the foster-parents were projecting onto the situation. He only died after Kawakami stopped tutoring him, and her guilt over giving up on him was then twisted and used to blame her for the sole purpose of extortion. At least, that's how I interpreted things. ApplesandOranges posted:Dumb personal opinion but Chie actually has pretty good romance scenes. Rise is okay. Naoto is eh. Yukiko is forgettable. Chie has the best personality out of any of the female romance options and I think by extension has the best S-link. Her route doesn't start until after you hear her thoughts about Yukiko and from there she's not really sure how to better herself, she just knows she should somehow. She's the only character in the game with real hobbies outside of Kanji. So, when she asks you to train with her, it starts off as being karate stuff because that's really all she knows, and she thinks that fighting is strength because that's also something reinforced by gameplay in the TV - if she can kick things good, she's strong and can protect people. The development from there is cool because there's actually some sort of development between the main character and Chie. In almost every other social link you're just there to say "yes I believe in u" every time you have the option to talk and just let the other person monologue at you. Chie has to sort of grow up past her misguided attempts at betterment twice - first when the other guy confronts her about still being childish despite all her training, and then again when a group of guys literally threaten to go to Yukiko's house and beat her up (which is hosed up). Chie's growth inherently involves other people, which is why it's a good social link/romance path, because it's one that the MC actually plays an integral role in. It sucks that once Rise joins the party she's basically relegated to comic relief duty RazzleDazzleHour fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Dec 20, 2018 |
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gyrobot posted:In a sense working like this was to her a penance for letting someone die because she never told him to find a balance between both his academic and work life which was what was needed for him which by then was too late. the kid's foster parents used him for slave labor, "balance" was never really the issue
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Also the voice actress for Chie gets grief, but she absolutely nailed the Valentine's Day rejection scene. It's brutal with Chie. You hear every bit of confidence that she had up to that point go away in awkward sadness. 
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Uuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh why like naoto clearly wants to wear female clothing but the emphasis should be on the protag helping her get the confidence to do that but the emphasis in those scenes feels way more on making her girly so you can date her. like there's no scene of them discussing the ins and outs of it or them at a clothing store with her nervously asking the protag for advice or anything, the scene at the end of her putting on the girl's school uniform is treated as her giving you a 'reward' or 'present,' or something, its treated like a pleasant surprise and the emphasis is on if you, the player, like it
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Dec 20, 2018 14:27
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I romanced Naoto because she was cool and specifically disliked that scene
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, I've heard horror stories of trying to translate jokes from folks who work on manga. How do you translate a joke that is based on the fact the word looks like something written in Japanese without either copious footnotes (which wouldn't work very well in a game) or just making a regular ol' pun? I think the hardest stuff to translate is probably just the stuff that'd be implied by learned cultural history like they're translating Night in the Woods into Japanese and I'm still wondering how the hell you'd get across the bit that a) the game clearly takes place in Fake Pennsylvania, even though this is never explicated and only implied by all the dutch-sounding names everywhere, and b) the cultural connotations of rural Pennsylvania and post-industrial America which are also never explicated but are tremendously important to the story
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Counterpoint to Chie stuff: Chie is obnoxious
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ApplesandOranges posted:Dumb personal opinion but Chie actually has pretty good romance scenes. Rise is okay. Naoto is eh. Yukiko is forgettable. Chie's Valentine's Date is especially touching. She's like 'okay, you had a choice between the idol, the super detective and the platonic ideal of the yamato nadeshiko aside from her hyena laughing and you picked me' and she can hardly believe it. Endorph posted:imo, her romance s. link being 'you should wear girl clothes becuase i think its hot' Yeah, you specifically get that bit if you tell her 'I like your voice higher' which, geez game. Let Naoto dress how she wants. You've already made very clear in that terrible public health scene that she's got the biggest boobs of the girls. It's just framed strictly for Yu's pleasure and ugh.
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When I played the game I started off liking Yukiko the most but ended up romancing Marie because I love everything about her. But apart from her, I definitely ended up liking Chie more than Yukiko by the end. Dunno which version you all are talking about but Erin Fitzgerald in P4G is the voice of Chie for me and she nailed it. She's always been really great in my experience. Rise was probably my least favorite.
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waah posted:Also the voice actress for Chie gets grief, but she absolutely nailed the Valentine's Day rejection scene. It's brutal with Chie. You hear every bit of confidence that she had up to that point go away in awkward sadness. Which actress? I have heard complaints about both.
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NikkolasKing posted:But apart from her, I definitely ended up liking Chie more than Yukiko by the end. Dunno which version you all are talking about but Erin Fitzgerald in P4G is the voice of Chie for me and she nailed it. She's always been really great in my experience. Yeah, it's weird going back to the first game and Chie's original dub actress. She's not really bad, but she sounds almost too mature for the role.
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Arist posted:rise is cool She is cool, just not my favorite. I like everybody in P4, even Teddie. Although I think my friends in SMTIVA were even better. Navarre is way better than Teddie or Morgana as Team Mascot. They salvaged the most worthless character from SMTIV and made him good.
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When I played P4G I ended up with Rise almost by default (and that I couldn't date Kanji) Chie is annoying Yukiko is oblivious and is probably going to poison me with her food Naoto is dating Kanji Marie is... It would feel weird teaching someone how humanity works and then dating them
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Chie owns you dullards. You absolute pancake tramps
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let me date ryuji you cowards
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mateo360 posted:Which actress? I have heard complaints about both. I prefer the P4G one. My fault for not specifying. It's also weird to find out that she's pushing 50. It's nothing wrong with it, just her voice makes it seem like she's perpetually a high schooler.
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Man dating Ryuiji would have been great
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waah posted:I prefer the P4G one. My fault for not specifying. "Yuri Lowenthal Syndrome."
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Dawgstar posted:"Yuri Lowenthal Syndrome."
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None of the p4 girls were datable to me, which is weird because in other games with romance options like Dragon Age or Mass Effect I can find lots of female options for romancing. But none of the ladies interested me :/ I just wanted to date Yosuke, but you know.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I think the hardest stuff to translate is probably just the stuff that'd be implied by learned cultural history It might not be one to one but Japan also has a problem of dying small towns.
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HIJK posted:None of the p4 girls were datable to me, which is weird because in other games with romance options like Dragon Age or Mass Effect I can find lots of female options for romancing. But none of the ladies interested me :/ I just wanted to date Yosuke, but you know. I also would have dated Yosuke if I could have. I've heard there is some evidence in the game thet you wer supposed to. Plus the whole idea that he's closeted is really interesting and helps him a lot.
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NikkolasKing posted:I also would have dated Yosuke if I could have. I've heard there is some evidence in the game thet you wer supposed to. yeah, there’s some cut lines with some romantic implications. It’s sad that we never got those, because it would have made him the most interesting romance in the game and certainly a change up from a pack of bland girls who just cry when you pretend not to notice their crushes on you. For better or for worse Yosuke has one of the most dynamic personalities in the game, and it’s a shame they didn’t take advantage of that.
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There's some voice clips left in the files of clips of him saying something that sounds romantic, but there's zero context for them. https://tcrf.net/Persona_4/Unused_Voice_Clips/Social_Links There's possibilities like maybe there was supposed to be a girl option at some point, too. Iunno, I lean towards the 'cut gay route or at least heavily implied best buds option' interpretation too, but if anyone tells you that, objectively, yosuke had a gay route that was cut, they're lying. There's no way of knowing what it was meant to be.
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KoB posted:It might not be one to one but Japan also has a problem of dying small towns. Hell, P4 is set in one. It just kind of gets glossed over by the hip aesthetic and intense focus on the murder mystery.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Hell, P4 is set in one. It just kind of gets glossed over by the hip aesthetic and intense focus on the murder mystery. I like that Golden's special ending has the town being saved. Made me feel good. Inaba is such a great location, much like P2's Sumaru City. Not coincidentally those are my favorite Persona games.
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I liked all the P4 girls. Chie is my favorite and I think it's right that she goes through the most growth. She also has the best move in the game with the Galactic Punt.
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KoB posted:It might not be one to one but Japan also has a problem of dying small towns. Hi, here's a town populated mostly by scarecrow effigies of the people who died or left and is intensely sad
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Xad posted:Marie is... It would feel weird teaching someone how humanity works and then dating them This is basically the same reason not to date Futaba. She's like your nerdy little sister that you love anyway, but not like that.
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Yeah like as cool as Futaba is, instantly getting into a relationship with someone who has never left their room for years seems kinda creepy.
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not that i'm entirely in disagreement, but i think the SA perspective of Futaba being undateably reliant on Joker to overcome her trauma is probably grounded in our relatively well-adjusted mid-twenties to late thirties perspective. a teenage or young adult fan of persona, particularly one with similar social stunting or a background leaning towards the outcast would probably see it drastically differently, which is kind of who i see futaba catering to. gently caress do i know though, i stuck by my maid/prostitute/teacher
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I dated Ann because P5 was the first Persona game I played so I didn't realize that choosing to hug my friend who was clearly having a bad time and needed some comfort meant "We're dating now" But then I realized that that ruins all of Morgana's hopes and dreams so I was fine with it
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Xad posted:I dated Ann because P5 was the first Persona game I played so I didn't realize that choosing to hug my friend who was clearly having a bad time and needed some comfort meant "We're dating now" Doesn't P5 give you a big "this action will start a relationship with this character" notice before doing that?
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Xad posted:I dated Ann because P5 was the first Persona game I played so I didn't realize that choosing to hug my friend who was clearly having a bad time and needed some comfort meant "We're dating now" Ann's not even the worst offender of that. IIRC, Rise in P4's bawling her eyes out and your options are to comfort her and kickstart a romantic relationship with her, or just leave the room.
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CharlestonJew posted:Doesn't P5 give you a big "this action will start a relationship with this character" notice before doing that? Yeah it does warn you, but the specific wording of it didn't quite get across that hug = dating, at least not to me 
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I finished the game. The last dungeon/boss was rough with me stupidly failing to make SP items beforehand but the ending was really satisfying. Thor got me through to the end but my favorite The political commentary or whatever definitely petered out into nothing but just as a "beat the big rear end in a top hat behind everything" ending it was still really well done, even if they were trying for something more than that. I had a few non-party social links at 10 by the end and I honestly want to play again just to see what happens when you have everyone. Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Dec 21, 2018 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EnQQ0HSINg Persona 5 the Animation Dark Sun airs in Japan on Saturday. Persona 5 R is likely going to be shown off and is rumored to show up on Switch.
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Dehry posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EnQQ0HSINg 
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