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Wistful of Dollars posted:Thankfully the dead can't run for president either, or we'd have unending darkness of zombie Regan.
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OAquinas posted:The logs showed no evidence of buying/selling ISK. I'd laugh my rear end off if it was the same aluminum magnate that threw a bunch of cash at an EVE alliance.
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Nemo Somen posted:So this is just posturing from the Republican Senators, right? I don't really see the House voting for a repeal. It's them letting the donor class know that Republicans still have their backs, and suggesting how much more money they could save by helping Republicans retake control of congress.
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mllaneza posted:I'd laugh my rear end off if it was the same aluminum magnate that threw a bunch of cash at an EVE alliance. There can't be that many Russian aluminum magnates. People always talked like that guy was way younger though
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Moatman posted:There can't be that many Russian aluminum magnates. People always talked like that guy was way younger though Well, that was 10 years ago Good god we're old.
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The idea of the government getting its filthy mitts on the money your dying dad hands to you on his deathbed isn’t appealing to Americans as a whole, even when we’re talking about millions of unearned dollars.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:The idea of the government getting its filthy mitts on the money your dying dad hands to you on his deathbed isn’t appealing to Americans as a whole, even when we’re talking about millions of unearned dollars. Reminder that the estate tax is entirely voluntary. Give all of your money to charity and your estate won't pay a dime in tax.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:The idea of the government getting its filthy mitts on the money your dying dad hands to you on his deathbed isn’t appealing to Americans as a whole, even when we’re talking about millions of unearned dollars. Why should the filthy money your dad hands you to start your business be treated any diffently by the government than the filthy money you rip from his cold dead hands?
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By fil-thee hands— —All dead and cold, That’s the way— —America’s sold!
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ProperGanderPusher posted:The idea of the government getting its filthy mitts on the money your dying dad hands to you on his deathbed isn’t appealing to Americans as a whole, even when we’re talking about millions of unearned dollars. Zero estate tax for anything up to like 2 million, progressively increasing estate tax for anything over that.
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Either you can have a wealth tax when you're alive, or we can collect it on your death. The estate tax IS the compromise.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:The idea of the government getting its filthy mitts on the money your dying dad hands to you on his deathbed isn’t appealing to Americans as a whole, even when we’re talking about millions of unearned dollars. Lol how many people are actually expecting to inherit anything from their deadbeat boomer parents?
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Lol how many people are actually expecting to inherit anything from their deadbeat boomer parents? Plenty. Mostly because I think most people haven't sat down and considered how expensive end of life care can get.
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Ok, how many are expecting to inherit over 11 million?
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Ok, how many are expecting to inherit over 11 million? Nobody does the math. that's why people making 50k a year are hooting and hollering about AOC's 70% marginal tax rate that wouldn't even tax them one penny if they got their entire lifetime's worth of earnings at once. Everybody is a loving moron and it's the only way the 1% grift works
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Ok, how many are expecting to inherit over 11 million? Do classic toy trains count? Because I'm expecting a lot of those.
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Spoeank posted:Nobody does the math. that's why people making 50k a year are hooting and hollering about AOC's 70% marginal tax rate that wouldn't even tax them one penny if they got their entire lifetime's worth of earnings at once. Everybody is a loving moron and it's the only way the 1% grift works One of the lowlights of my highschool was having to explain to the teacher in the economics(!) class how marginal tax rates work.
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xrunner posted:Plenty. Mostly because I think most people haven't sat down and considered how expensive end of life care can get. How expensive can guillotines really be? ProperGanderPusher posted:The idea of the government getting its filthy mitts on the money your dying dad hands to you on his deathbed isn’t appealing to Americans as a whole, even when we’re talking about millions of unearned dollars. People with millions of dollars are inherently different than you and I. Be stupid and angry, make them like you, take it. BlueBlazer fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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interesting devil-in-the-details analysis from herequote:Republicans, badly damaged by the 2017 campaign to repeal the Affordable Care Act, have struggled to craft a powerful message against Medicare-for-all. One argument against it, that it was a "$32 trillion takeover” of health insurance, fell flat in the midterms. A much more promising line of attack is about the bill's implications for private insurance, and the necessity to raise taxes to replace insurance premiums. This month's Kaiser tracking poll found 56 percent of voters backing “Medicare-for-all” — but 60 percent of them opposing “higher taxes,” 60 percent opposing a “threat to the current Medicare program” and 58 percent against “eliminating private insurance companies.” So you've got 56% for m4a in principle, but 58-60% against implementing it. The good news is that's not a HUGE gap, but it does seem to indicate that campaigning on "americans want m4a" is a plan with some holes in it. And hey, the republicans did great running on repealing obamacare while ignoring the details - it's just the election after that where things got messy.
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No citation available that I can find, but NBC and regional news is covering both the Schultz talk interviews (which were scathing) and the House intelligence hearing. The House hearing is being framed in a pretty horrible way for trump- they swap immediately between his statements and his appointees contradicting him.
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awesmoe posted:interesting devil-in-the-details analysis from here That poll was run by Kaiser. So, basically, I don't buy it.
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mycomancy posted:That poll was run by Kaiser. So, basically, I don't buy it.
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HootTheOwl posted:Do classic toy trains count? Because I'm expecting a lot of those.
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mycomancy posted:That poll was run by Kaiser. So, basically, I don't buy it. It's the Kaiser Family Foundation, which is wholly separate from Kaiser Permanente. They're generally considered a really, really good, neutral source on healthcare policy research. To the degree that they have a bias, it's very lightly leftward.
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Selling people on better healthcare shouldn't be all that hard. That's the politician's job.
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Lambert posted:Selling people on better healthcare shouldn't be all that hard. That's the politician's job. Americans are steeped in 70 years of red scare horseshit.
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awesmoe posted:interesting devil-in-the-details analysis from here I mean, there are people paying literally thousands in premiums while still having huge deductibles right now. If you tell them that it isn't a tax, it's an insurance premium, and it'll be a fraction of their current premium, and there's no deductible when you need health care, I think it may poll OK.
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quote:This month's Kaiser tracking poll found 56 percent of voters backing “Medicare-for-all” — but 60 percent of them opposing “higher taxes” 
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awesmoe posted:interesting devil-in-the-details analysis from here
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mycomancy posted:That poll was run by Kaiser. So, basically, I don't buy it. Can't comment on Kaiser specifically but these findings aren't at all controversial. People like the idea in general but not when they realize it's gonna cost money.
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mobby_6kl posted:Can't comment on Kaiser specifically but these findings aren't at all controversial. People like the idea in general but not when they realize it's gonna cost money. Cost money being "pay less in additional taxes than you currently pay in insurance and medical bills." That's the current battle for the narrative. vvv my man vvvv
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mobby_6kl posted:Can't comment on Kaiser specifically but these findings aren't at all controversial. People like the idea in general but not when they realize it's gonna cost money. One thing that just happened recently is that In 2018, The Average Family Paid More To Hospitals Than To The Federal Government In Taxes. I think there's room to shift the debate here even given current polling. "Yes your taxes will go up, but your health care will be free. On balance, you'll save money."
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:One thing that just happened recently is that In 2018, The Average Family Paid More To Hospitals Than To The Federal Government In Taxes. It's tax season. Start reminding people that their W-2s show exactly how expensive their health insurance is. Mine was over $14,000 this year.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:One thing that just happened recently is that In 2018, The Average Family Paid More To Hospitals Than To The Federal Government In Taxes. More or less the right way, but there's got to be better phrasing than agreeing that your taxes go up. Because people hate that information no matter what the reason. Your taxes go up, but you'll become an immortal god; 52% of respondents are opposed. Probably going to have to fight the messaging war on obfuscating and insisting that you're lowering their costs and doing everything possible to divorce taxes from the conversation entirely. Present it as today you pay X(average medical expenses + average medical related taxes per taxpayer) while with whichever universal healthcare system we magically are close to imposing you'll only pay Y.
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I think a lot of the resistance to it is that a lot of people don't see a doctor at all unless they have to whether they're insured or not. So idea that it's a forced expense for a thing they don't use is what's so hard to get past. Even a $1,000 a year in increased taxes comes out to $83.33 a month, which is still a shitload better than $530 (The cost of the bronze level provided by BCBS in Wyoming, where I live) a month for baseline insurance and you can never be denied coverage or meeting a deductible.
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The saddest part of this is that they get to ride the coattails of notoriety, feels like people don't give a gently caress about being decent because who cares if you're hated you'll still have fans. badguyfromthegame fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Jan 31, 2019 |
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I hate to be that guy but I can't help it My first thought is that this feels like that McCain campaign worker who pretended to be assaulted by a black Obama supporter, but the "B" on her face was backwards and she made it all up. Or when Morton Downey Jr. claimed that he was attacked in a bathroom at an airport by nazis but the swastika on his face was backwards. Or when Ryan Lochte claimed he was robbed at the Rio Olympics. So it's 2 am, its well below freezing in Chicago, and two bad guys who just happen to be out wandering around wearing ski masks looking for a black or gay man to harass while carrying... bleach? Of course, it is possible, but I've become completely cynical about these things. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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