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Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

ilmucche posted:

I think op is from the USA, Edgar Allen Ho. You have bad views of economics.
The USA is one of the richest countries in the world. It's just all its money is in the hand of some small percent of the population. I think there was a catchy meme about that.

e: World bank says by raw GDP it is the richest and by GNI it's number 6.

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jobson groeth
May 17, 2018

by FactsAreUseless

Splicer posted:

The USA is one of the richest countries in the world. It's just all its money is in the hand of some small percent of the population. I think there was a catchy meme about that.

https://twitter.com/Leftist_Pariah/status/1094651009782173696

cbf looking for a less stupid tweet about it but you get the point

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

The United States of America is a rich country in much the same way that a litre of water with 1% alcohol is strong drink.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

jobson groeth posted:

https://twitter.com/Leftist_Pariah/status/1094651009782173696

cbf looking for a less stupid tweet about it but you get the point
That the US could easily support small businesses and a robust social welfare system if they properly taxed their wealthy? Yes I agree.

shit_that_will_never_happen.txt

oldpainless
Oct 30, 2009

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Everybody wants to tax the poo poo out of the rich but wait until you get rich and then see how you feel!

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

He’s admirable, but the truth is his is a failed business. It should be dead and he and his employees should be working elsewhere, or be being supported anyway by the government because they are human beings in the richest country on earth.

It is a failed business; it never recovered from the recession. He's been running it for 40 years and trying to sell it for 20. At his age, it's not like he has a lot of options.
The industry he's in is suffering from people coming in who are already wealthy from other things and undercutting on pricing while also having fancier stores. The American Dream.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Jerry Cotton posted:

The United States of America is a rich country in much the same way that a litre of water with 1% alcohol is strong drink.

More like a lit party where one person has 5 litres of 90% and a wealth of mixers, and also an eight ball, and the other 50 guests have a 12 pack between them. And the 12 pack is bud lite.

SneezeOfTheDecade
Feb 6, 2011

gettin' covid all
over your posts

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

More like a lit party where one person has 5 litres of 90% and a wealth of mixers, and also an eight ball, and the other 50 guests have a 12 pack between them. And the 12 pack is bud lite.

And the guy running the party says "why don't you guys each give a beer to this one dude and I'm sure he'll be grateful and start handing out the good stuff."

Mr. Belpit
Nov 11, 2008

Besesoth posted:

And the guy running the party says "why don't you guys each give a beer to this one dude and I'm sure he'll be grateful and start handing out the good stuff."

and like half that group think that's a fantastic idea, and anyone who complains wants to ruin this otherwise great party

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

oldpainless posted:

Everybody wants to tax the poo poo out of the rich but wait until you get rich and then see how you feel!

More like oldpenniless

Araenna
Dec 27, 2012




Lipstick Apathy

Jurgan posted:

See, I have a problem with blaming employers for doing what’s legal and not going above and beyond. It’s a shaming tactic that feels good in the moment, but it does nothing to actually improve the situation. If the minimum wage is not livable, the answer is to raise the minimum wage, not to yell at people who pay it. Maybe you can get a couple employers to pay better, but the majority will always pay as little as they can get away with.

In addition, treating “minimum wage” as a badge of shame sort of reinforces this idea that it’s not supposed to be a living wage. If it were at an appropriate level, there’d be nothing wrong with making minimum wage. But saying that no business should pay valuable employees that much feeds into the idea that minimum wage jobs are only for teenagers and part time workers.

I was talking about minimum wage as it is in the US right now, which is not a living wage in most of the country. Obviously we should raise the minimum wage. But, as of the time I am making this post, that is not happening. Owning a business isn't a right. If you can't afford labor, you can't afford a business. It's legal to yell racial slurs at people, but that doesn't make it a good thing to do.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Araenna posted:

I was talking about minimum wage as it is in the US right now, which is not a living wage in most of the country. Obviously we should raise the minimum wage. But, as of the time I am making this post, that is not happening. Owning a business isn't a right. If you can't afford labor, you can't afford a business. It's legal to yell racial slurs at people, but that doesn't make it a good thing to do.

In what part of the US is $7.25 per hour a living wage

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
edit: nvm

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

In what part of the US is $7.25 per hour a living wage

Rural Mississippi.

Zipperelli.
Apr 3, 2011



Nap Ghost

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

In what part of the US is $7.25 per hour a living wage

Lol, nowhere.

Araenna
Dec 27, 2012




Lipstick Apathy

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

In what part of the US is $7.25 per hour a living wage

Some places have a higher minimum than that, though usually it's still not high enough to live on. I just didn't feel like googling if anywhere had a livable minimum or not right now, so I said most.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Araenna posted:

Some places have a higher minimum than that, though usually it's still not high enough to live on. I just didn't feel like googling if anywhere had a livable minimum or not right now, so I said most.

You should know goons don't understand hyperbole by now

jobson groeth
May 17, 2018

by FactsAreUseless

Len posted:

You should know goons don't understand hyperbole by now

You mean sportsbole?

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

https://twitter.com/vonny_bravo/status/1095989579327389696?s=20

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

CAW CAW CAW

Dinosaur Gum

He could have made her something or given her whatever the nine year old equivalent of a nice back rub is. Like, there are plenty of acceptable socialist ways to participate in Valentine's Day and show your appreciation to your partner/s of choice. "It's an outdated heterosexist mating ritual" is a much better reason to weasel out of going on a nice date together to the state botanic gardens.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

And that child... was Jeremy Corbyn.

Kosmo Gallion
Sep 13, 2013
Here comes the double down

https://twitter.com/vonny_bravo/status/1096052253037871104?s=19

https://twitter.com/vonny_bravo/status/1096053119404904449?s=19

https://twitter.com/vonny_bravo/status/1096054369072660480?s=19

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Kosmo Gallion
Sep 13, 2013
Oh God she gets worse

https://twitter.com/vonny_bravo/status/1096056323186274306?s=19

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Strikes me as strange that a 9yo (and the younger kid) has a phone, but that certainly happened.

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

“I’ll buy you a new toy later, first help me win an argument on the internet.”

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
Lol, an almost literal pee-pee doo-doo he's a bad president.

You know, it bears repeating, but kids of that age happily parrot whatever their parents teach them. It's not like the child learned about capitalism, and extrapolated from that that Valentine's is consumerism nonsense. At some point he was literally told by his mum that Valentine's is consumerism nonsense. If his mum taught him that taxation is theft, he would say that at school, too. Wait until the kid is 14, though. Thanks to youtube algorithms, he's going to start watching Ben Shapiro and will DESTROY his COMMUNIST mum with FACTS.

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Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!
That is one pro meltdown right there

kimbo305 posted:

Strikes me as strange that a 9yo (and the younger kid) has a phone

Yeah I have some questions about her anti-capitalist credentials

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voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

9yo's can and do say that sort of poo poo, I'd believe it. The school I teach at had a 9yo who organised a women's march last in response to something that happened. It was mostly just attended by her friends, but still.

They very much take their cues from the adults in their lives still, but a lot of 9yo's can understand (superficially) and are interested politics and political issues - to the point of repeating the sort of stuff their teachers and parents tell them at least

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Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

bike tory posted:

9yo's can and do say that sort of poo poo, I'd believe it. The school I teach at had a 9yo who organised a women's march last in response to something that happened. It was mostly just attended by her friends, but still.

They very much take their cues from the adults in their lives still, but a lot of 9yo's can understand (superficially) and are interested politics and political issues - to the point of repeating the sort of stuff their teachers and parents tell them at least

So, "they say that poo poo" but they don't understand it that well. Or at all.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

In what part of the US is $7.25 per hour a living wage

Nowhere, really. That report came out that you absolutely can't afford even the shittiest two bedroom apartment on minimum wage anywhere in America. Even poverty-stricken hellholes where you're lucky if you can get 40 hours a week at minimum wage it isn't a living wage. You can maybe scrape by but it's always on a financial knife edge pretty much no matter what you do.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Aleph Null posted:

So, "they say that poo poo" but they don't understand it that well. Or at all.

Yeah I doubt there are (m)any 9yo's who have a deep understanding of late capitalism, but 9yo's don't have a deep understanding of much at all. That's why they aren't able to provide informed consent to anything and why they aren't treated like full people by the law and poo poo. But "blind consumerism [buying poo poo for the sake of buying poo poo] is bad" is a simple thing to understand even for a 9yo and when you relate it to environmental degradation and global warming they get it pretty quickly and easily.

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


ToxicSlurpee posted:

Nowhere, really. That report came out that you absolutely can't afford even the shittiest two bedroom apartment on minimum wage anywhere in America. Even poverty-stricken hellholes where you're lucky if you can get 40 hours a week at minimum wage it isn't a living wage. You can maybe scrape by but it's always on a financial knife edge pretty much no matter what you do.

*in self-loathing republican voice*

Its ok to live with your parents until you are 40.

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

bike tory posted:

Yeah I doubt there are (m)any 9yo's who have a deep understanding of late capitalism, but 9yo's don't have a deep understanding of much at all. That's why they aren't able to provide informed consent to anything and why they aren't treated like full people by the law and poo poo. But "blind consumerism [buying poo poo for the sake of buying poo poo] is bad" is a simple thing to understand even for a 9yo and when you relate it to environmental degradation and global warming they get it pretty quickly and easily.

I think you're getting at the real issue- the point of this thread is in many ways less "did it happen" than "what is this person trying to prove by claiming it happened?" Children say a lot of poo poo, some of it makes sense and a lot of it doesn't. But a ton of people have this romanticized "from the mouths of babes" view where children stating your political opinions gives them extra validation. Children can appreciate some broad principles of morality- "people are more important than things," "stealing is bad," "you shouldn't be mean to people who are different"- but actually running a society tends to be more complicated. Showing a kid saying something doesn't necessarily mean "this is so obvious even a child can get it." It could easily mean "this child doesn't understand enough to appreciate what they're saying."

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar
I think it's more simply that they are just parroting the kind of things they hear their parents say, which is only reinforced when they freak out with excitement and say "hold on Kaydyanne, let me get my phone...now say that again so I can tweet you and make you go viral". They are conditioning their kids to say woke things, and if you aren't cynical it's with the hope that they become progressive later in life when they actually understand it, but I think we all know it's really all about the likes/retweets and nothing else.

hyperhazard
Dec 4, 2011

I am the one lascivious
With magic potion niveous
My favorite part is how they always cycle from "It's so simple, a child could get it" to "Well, not any child, just mine because they're the smartest and wokest."

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

The sad part for me is that the kind of people that post the "My child just totally destroyed the heteronormative society in which we live. Take that patriachy!" etc. don't seem to know or understand kids, let alone their own kid.

They are using them to make a point on the internet. Let me repeat, they are using their own flesh and blood to make a point to strangers. And that woman above is not only doing that, but forcing the kid to come on to prove these strangers wrong.

i.e. "Come to mommy little Kaylene, I need you to repeat this on camera so people I have never met and will never meet will stop thinking they are better than me."

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


I didn't watch the video and now the tweets are protected.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

Len posted:

I didn't watch the video and now the tweets are protected.

Yeah, I didn't watch the video either. I didn't want to feel that kind of uncomfortable.

ZDar Fan
Oct 15, 2012

Over on Twitter, user Respectable Lawyer has been criticizing Quillette editor Claire Lehmann, and it turns out she has some odd defenders



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Slippery
May 16, 2004


Muscles Boxcar
Wait if he's Ender12x, why is he @Ender13x and not @12x, wtf

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