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There's actually no place for that water to be stored - the central valley has settled several feet down in recent decades, as the hollow empty aquifers collapse. They can't be recharged because they're literally not there any more. Still, totally worth it for those almond exports. e: An article from 2015 quote:The Central Valley is sinking at a record pace as drought-gripped farms pump out the groundwater beneath them, new satellite data show. FMguru fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Love to be destroying an entire ecosystem so the Resnicks can get a 33rd yacht
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# ? Feb 16, 2019 00:48 |
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Turtlicious posted:I'm really glad you like to get pedantic when you're wrong, I've lost 120lbs seeing my Dietician, and the one thing she repeatedly said was that dieting wasn't work. But also, I know you don't like being told you're wrong even when you are so I can't engage with you. Since you're unwilling to ever change your mind, or do anything but be a dick to people. I'm not going to put myself through the mental anguish of debating you. Please don't take this personally, because I beliebe you can post better. atelier morgan posted:also wrong about rich people not sitting around asking each other how best to make the world worse...
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# ? Feb 16, 2019 03:39 |
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FMguru posted:There's actually no place for that water to be stored - the central valley has settled several feet down in recent decades, as the hollow empty aquifers collapse. They can't be recharged because they're literally not there any more. But I keep hearing commercials about how almond farmers are the most ecologically friendly and scientifically advanced agricultural group around and are singlehandedly keeping California out of a drought!
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# ? Feb 20, 2019 00:51 |
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https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1098733526973702144 God, CALPERS is just the loving worst
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 02:18 |
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Surprise surprise, Dianne Feinstein won’t support the green new deal when it comes up for a vote.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 04:34 |
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khanna endorsed bernie, which as far as I can tell makes him the only californian elected official to endorse anyone but harris
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 04:44 |
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Kobayashi posted:Surprise surprise, Dianne Feinstein won’t support the green new deal when it comes up for a vote. gently caress that harridan.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 05:02 |
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I mean, it's ostensibly an environmental plan that includes UBI but rejects nuclear power.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 07:25 |
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Americans have a Thing about nuclear power so that's not surprising
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 12:21 |
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Americans have a Thing about nuclear power so that's not surprising I'm furious about the SONGS plant (broken by Mitsubishi) and the poor management of wastes BUT I'd like to see investment into the non-pressurized liquid salt based reactors that can run on nuclear waste. VideoGameVet fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Feb 22, 2019 |
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Even if as a nation we reached consensus today (lol) and committed to building a whole fleet of new reactors, they wouldn't come online for what? 20 years? We can't wait that long to start addressing climate change.
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Family Values posted:Even if as a nation we reached consensus today (lol) and committed to building a whole fleet of new reactors, they wouldn't come online for what? 20 years? We can't wait that long to start addressing climate change. This is a critical point. Stuff doesn't come online quickly. My main interest in the salt stuff is the reduction of nuclear wastes, but I do not trust the US Industry to do it right anyway. It would have to be a government research project.
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Family Values posted:Even if as a nation we reached consensus today (lol) and committed to building a whole fleet of new reactors, they wouldn't come online for what? 20 years? We can't wait that long to start addressing climate change. Thissssss. Like I like Nuclear Power and all but:
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 19:31 |
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Family Values posted:Even if as a nation we reached consensus today (lol) and committed to building a whole fleet of new reactors, they wouldn't come online for what? 20 years? We can't wait that long to start addressing climate change. This is correct. Also the GND isn't currently legislation, it's a positioning document that is going to require a lot of legislation so being 100% on everything isn't required.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 19:38 |
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Jaxyon posted:This is correct. Also the GND itself isn’t anti-nuclear even. None of the document itself is antinuclear.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 19:48 |
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Jaxyon posted:This is correct. DR is basically "Let perfect become the enemy of good" incarnate.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 19:50 |
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There was an effort, in the early 2000s, to kickstart construction of a bunch of next-gen nuclear power plants, in order to replace the coming wave of forced retirements of the wave of plants built in the 1970s. All of the plants that were attempted ended up running years behind schedule and billions of dollars over budget and most of them have been cancelled. The collective scale of the fuckup was so huge that Westinghouse Electric was forced into bankruptcy. The effort to extend the life of SONGS by repiping the reactors was a similar debacle. And it's not just the US. There was a similar effort in Europe, with similar results - The third reactor at Olkiluoto, Finland: opening date pushed back from 2010 to 2020, the cost has ballooned, and they've abandoned plans to build a fourth reactor at the site - The third reactor at Flamanville, France: opening date pushed from 2012 to 2019, cost has tripled - The third reactor at Hickley Point, UK: delays and cost overruns, the contracted price for electricity from the plant will be double the cost of wind power generated nearby (and that price is still too low to make the plant solvent, the government is going to have to massively subsidize it) Asian countries (outside of Japan, natch) are building nuclear plants, seemingly on time and on budget. Maybe their way of doing things is better than The West's, maybe it's smoke and mirrors and falsified financial reports and clipped corners on safety. Nuclear power, at least in The West, is just a non-starter. Not because a bunch of hippies spread a bunch of lies, but because there's just no way to build these plants in way that makes economic sense.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 19:55 |
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I have a paper model of Olkiluoto and it is still possible I will finish the paper plant before they finish the real one.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 19:59 |
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Americans have a Thing about nuclear power so that's not surprising Trabisnikof posted:Also the GND itself isnt anti-nuclear even. None of the document itself is antinuclear. Family Values posted:Even if as a nation we reached consensus today (lol) and committed to building a whole fleet of new reactors, they wouldn't come online for what? 20 years? We can't wait that long to start addressing climate change. Sydin posted:DR is basically "Let perfect become the enemy of good" incarnate. New nuclear plants will take a long time to come online, but they absolutely should be a part of our energy mix if we're serious about low or no carbon production. FMguru posted:Nuclear power, at least in The West, is just a non-starter. Not because a bunch of hippies spread a bunch of lies, but because there's just no way to build these plants in way that makes economic sense.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 21:55 |
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VideoGameVet posted:I'd like to see investment into the non-pressurized liquid salt based reactors that can run on nuclear waste.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 23:08 |
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Sure, anything that isn’t a massive new handout to nuclear power and no one else is “anti-nuclear” for the same reasons that the status quo economics are “anti-nuclear.” But concern trolling about nuclear is even more blatant coming from people who’d reject strict emissions limits and the consequences there-of to society. No one cares about if you love nuclear a lot if you’re going to resist banning internal combustion personal and commercial vehicles in the state within the next few decades.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 23:16 |
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https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1099076130089459712?s=21 She needs to resign. What a piece of poo poo. We deserve better than a grumpy old goblin that’s barely a Democrat and a loving cop.
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# ? Feb 23, 2019 00:48 |
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Shear Modulus posted:khanna endorsed bernie, which as far as I can tell makes him the only californian elected official to endorse anyone but harris
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# ? Feb 23, 2019 00:57 |
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FRINGE posted:That would be great, but until LFTRs are more politically known, rejecting light water reactors is the stance that will at least keep more of them from being "built" (handouts to the various DoE and DoD pet companies). But you can't run those off of the existing nuclear waste.
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# ? Feb 23, 2019 01:50 |
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Trabisnikof posted:But concern trolling about nuclear is even more blatant coming from people who’d reject strict emissions limits and the consequences there-of to society. SeANMcBAY posted:She needs to resign. What a piece of poo poo.
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SeANMcBAY posted:https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1099076130089459712?s=21 gently caress de leon for tanking his run against her and gently caress her.
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# ? Feb 23, 2019 03:10 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:
perhaps, and this is just a thought, kids are able to come up with their own opinions on whether they want to live in a livable world or in a mad max hellhole
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# ? Feb 23, 2019 03:48 |
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what does feinstein have to gain by supporting the green new deal? she obviously doesnt give the slightest poo poo about the opinions of her constituents or the public in general
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# ? Feb 23, 2019 03:49 |
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Plus she'll be dead in 12 years
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# ? Feb 23, 2019 03:57 |
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Plus she's funded by big oil. four of her top five campaign contributors over the last five years are energy companies and defense contractors.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Plus she'll be dead in 12 years
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FilthyImp posted:I really, really, REALLY loving WISH one of the kids had shot back
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VideoGameVet posted:But you can't run those off of the existing nuclear waste. https://articles.thmsr.nl/the-flibe-energy-lftr49-the-triple-ace-in-nuclear-gen-iv-design-ea9bffcd71dd quote:Waste burning MSR designs (Theres a lot more info in there, including discussions of neutron deficits and possible ways to address that.)
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# ? Feb 23, 2019 07:07 |
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Yes mein feinstein the children should have voted for you because getting 51%without campaigning wasnt enough of a state self own
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# ? Feb 23, 2019 07:15 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:Using kids as a political prop isn't some moral authority win button. She could have been nicer about it though. It should with an issue like this. The planet is loving dying and she doesn’t give a poo poo. Those kids are going to have to live to see the world turn into Mad Max if we don’t do anything. SeANMcBAY fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Feb 23, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/SenFeinstein/status/1097912551038439430?s=20
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# ? Feb 23, 2019 08:20 |
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yaaaas kween kick that can into the boiling oceans go home feinstein
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# ? Feb 23, 2019 08:57 |
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lmao, classic neoliberal trash policy in a nutshell - pathetically attempting to plaster over the real issues with wonky feel-good bullshit. Love this plan: manages not to address climate change or broken education funding, and also manages to push teachers onto the frontline of the issue so they get savaged by the hordes of insane climate change deniers great plan, A+
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# ? Feb 23, 2019 10:16 |
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If these kids were more educated, they'd know not to bother a senator that just won an election.
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