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double nine posted:is maggie haberman a journalist worth reading reporting of? I'm seeing her get a bunch of mentions in my feed but she seems like a generic press pool reporter. she does very little analysis in the her nyt work, it's generally very well-sourced reporting of white house machinations. People here despise her because it's straight reporting and her work doesnt make a point of specifically saying "oh by the way, all this poo poo is awful and these people are telling me this stuff to stab each other in the back"
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awesmoe posted:she does very little analysis in the her nyt work, it's generally very well-sourced reporting of white house machinations. People here despise her because it's straight reporting and her work doesnt make a point of specifically saying "oh by the way, all this poo poo is awful and these people are telling me this stuff to stab each other in the back" I'm pretty sure people are less mad about her specific paper work and more mad about her cable and Twitter defences of the administration. Remember when she died on the hill that Trump wasn't a liar?
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awesmoe posted:she does very little analysis in the her nyt work, it's generally very well-sourced reporting of white house machinations. People here despise her because it's straight reporting and her work doesnt make a point of specifically saying "oh by the way, all this poo poo is awful and these people are telling me this stuff to stab each other in the back" In a world where nearly every word out of the president's mouth is a lie, "non-analytical" reporting is biased reporting. And that's not even getting into the selection biases involved in what gets printed where and how it's presented. Most of the major outlets have fallen deep into the "Red said / Blue said" reporting hole, and it's not doing journalism (or the public) any favors.
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https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1100717744805330944 I really liked the Jahana Hayes interview the most out of this set, mostly because I hear about Pelosi/AOC/Omar every loving week. "Do not let this psycho steal your joy" is amazing.
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Malah posted:https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1100717744805330944 She's my rep and we really don't hear enough about her.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/house-intel-will-call-trump-org-moneyman-allen-weisselberg-to-testify "House Intel Will Call Trump Org Moneyman Allen Weisselberg To Testify"
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ICMB posted:https://www.thedailybeast.com/house-intel-will-call-trump-org-moneyman-allen-weisselberg-to-testify Felix Sater too https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1101248659809857536
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awesmoe posted:she does very little analysis in the her nyt work, it's generally very well-sourced reporting of white house machinations. People here despise her because it's straight reporting and her work doesnt make a point of specifically saying "oh by the way, all this poo poo is awful and these people are telling me this stuff to stab each other in the back" I would buy that argument except her family was involved in the Trump campaign. And she won't say Trump lies. She has a huge conflict of interest.
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https://twitter.com/nytpolitics/status/1101260454708559874 I always come back to just thinking what if Obama had done ANY of these things.
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Hastings posted:I would buy that argument except her family was involved in the Trump campaign. And she won't say Trump lies. She has a huge conflict of interest. Her mother worked/works for a ny pr firm that represented trump in/since the 90s, which isn’t really surprising since he was a New York personality. That’s quite a big difference from how you’ve framed it. Anyway here’s some news https://mobile.twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1101245624115232768
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ICMB posted:https://twitter.com/nytpolitics/status/1101260454708559874 Always remember that the list of Obama scandals was
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Gyges posted:Always remember that the list of Obama scandals was You forgot 'had a soldier hold an umbrella for him' and 'was black'.
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If Obama had done a tenth of what Trump has done Hannity would be having kittens on live TV every night. It might almost be worth watching Fox News. Almost.
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Gyges posted:Always remember that the list of Obama scandals was He also inherited that stupid gunrunning bs. Also all the groups that filed as non profits with names like “I love evading taxes” were scrutinized. I do think they botched the Iran money return but it was a no-win type situation (I think it’s fine to return the seized assets in the deal.)
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Gyges posted:Always remember that the list of Obama scandals was "57 states" A madrassah No flag lapel pin The Fast & Furious gun program was probably the closest to a real scandal that happened on his watch.
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Yea f+f was a remix of a bad bush program. https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/sep/24/barack-obama/barack-obama-said-fast-and-furious-began-under-bus/
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Gyges posted:Always remember that the list of Obama scandals was
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VitalSigns posted:
[*]Complicit with the Haiti coup
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awesmoe posted:Her mother worked/works for a ny pr firm that represented trump in/since the 90s, which isn’t really surprising since he was a New York personality. That’s quite a big difference from how you’ve framed it. That is an understatement: you're talking about the Rubensteins, who have had a connection with the Trumps since Fred Trump, and have engaged in a mutually beneficial relationship between the families for decades. Also, Jared Kushner is considered a best friend of the owner. You're forgetting that the New York connection is actually odd in the context that everyone in New York hated Trump and he had a difficult time holding on to any legit professional connections since he grifted everyone. He was mainly involved with criminals, and any one else would have had to have been highly connected with him on a professional and personal level. Nobody works with the Trumps without being a true believer and the Cohen testimony really established that.
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RandomPauI posted:[*]Complicit with the Haiti coup [*]Ordered the assassination of an American child.
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I don't get the impression that Haberman likes Trump at all. She plays the annoying access game, so she refuses to directly call him out, but she's usually pretty clear that he's deranged and believes in a totally false reality. If anything, I think Trump is more obsessed with her than the inverse, since he is always granting her access despite also directly calling her out as a Clinton backer. Her biggest problems are that she refuses to acknowledge any faults in the Times' political coverage, and she is clearly used as a mouthpiece for her internal sources at times. And she was probably the most annoying supporter of Sarah Huckabee Sanders when Michelle Wolf made the softball coach comment.
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"We have has a very good relationship with Maggie Haberman of Politico over the last year. We have had her tee up stories for us before and have never been disappointed."
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She's also hilariously bad and thin-skinned on Twitter, which I think is why she catches as much flak as she does (as opposed to someone like Robert Costa, who is much better at playing the "disinterested reporter" game and consequently doesn't get called out nearly as much).
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VitalSigns posted:
Staus quo bad things aren't scandals, silly.
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Gyges posted:Staus quo bad things aren't scandals, silly. Maybe they should be.
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Schlitzkrieg Bop posted:She's also hilariously bad and thin-skinned on Twitter, which I think is why she catches as much flak as she does (as opposed to someone like Robert Costa, who is much better at playing the "disinterested reporter" game and consequently doesn't get called out nearly as much). Robert Costa is, on a purely professional level, involved in several orders of magnitude more real journalism. Dude is prolific at how much quality journalism his byline ends up on.
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I just passed by a TV airing CNN, and the headline across the bottom was something like, "Biden faces criticism for calling Pence 'a decent guy,'" and I can't stop laughing at this batshit crazy time we're living in, where a former VP praising the current VP in the blandest way possible provokes outrage, that outrage makes national news, and the outrage is valid. Welp, thanks for listening!
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Rabbit Hill posted:I just passed by a TV airing CNN, and the headline across the bottom was something like, "Biden faces criticism for calling Pence 'a decent guy,'" and I can't stop laughing at this batshit crazy time we're living in, where a former VP praising the current VP in the blandest way possible provokes outrage, that outrage makes national news, and the outrage is valid. Pence isn't a decent guy though. By no definition.
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Pence is a piece of poo poo and blandly treating fools and monsters like regular folks is part of how we got here.
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Chill. RH said the outrage is valid.
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That's kind of the story of the 2016 election in a nutshell. Media as a whole being incapable of accepting that such things as calling someone a Nazi is not hyperbole and is in fact valid criticism when they're loving sieg heiling at the RNC and screaming "Jews will not replace us" with tiki torches. They've been both-sidesing goddamn everything for so many decades now they're fundamentally incapable of accepting that one side is objectively worse, morally repugnant at its core and is absolutely worthy of the criticism it is receiving. It's the divide by zero statement of our current media climate. They just cannot process it and default to blaming the people pointing it out.
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Helsing posted:"We have has a very good relationship with Maggie Haberman of Politico over the last year. We have had her tee up stories for us before and have never been disappointed." And then the NYT ran more stories about her emails than anything else in the entire election cycle.
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The "balance/hear both sides" thing is so bad that NPR called out the Michael Jackson rape documentary for not soliciting/presenting comments from Jackson defenders.
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Gyges posted:Always remember that the list of Obama scandals was
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RandomPauI posted:The "balance/hear both sides" thing is so bad that NPR called out the Michael Jackson rape documentary for not soliciting/presenting comments from Jackson defenders. "Van, I know that some pictures of the concentration camps have been printed, but I really think we shouldn't rush to judgment until the Fuehrer responds."
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Failson posted:Pundits: "Wow, this summit may lead to small, but concrete steps towards peace, like Liason offices..." lol at any of this bullshit. Kim won the moment Trump shook his hand in front of a camera, just like he did the last time. The development of a nuclear weapon that could threaten American soil had the theoretical potential to shift the NK diplomatic quagmire and produce real results, and it was in the toilet the second Trump agreed to a meeting where Kim was made to look equal to the POTUS. But why would anyone be surprised by that when Trump never cared about anything but using this as domestic red meat, and the state department was gutted and brain drained more than a year before that opportunity arose? Any speculation about Bolton or who did what or what went wrong or who is as fault for it is the worst kind of shadow puppetry. This whole thing was a joke from the moment it was conceived regardless of what anyone did or did not do there. Treating it otherwise is stupidity.
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Meeting with POTUS and gaining "legitimacy" have very little to do with the failure of this gambit. The issue is that when the negotiations are between President Deals and another head of state, there is nowhere for failed negotiations to go. Even the depleted State Department lead by Bolton's better demons would have been a better chance at an actual negotiation of anything other than a poorly designed photo op. Donny is a loving idiot who can't be trusted and gleefully walks into disasters with but the faintest positive attention. He was poo poo at making deals as a businessman and he's even more poo poo at it as a international diplomat. It's highly likely that both sides overestimated their position, because everyone knows Donny is a spineless idiot but, for some reason, most people tend to forget he is also all in on team scorpion. Also, given the on camera talk with China about a memorandum of understanding, it's very possible that North Korea actually did try to make a deal with likely the weakest US negotiation they'll ever see, and Donny kept slapping it down because he doesn't understand big boy words.
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Grouchio posted:
One of the 'reforms' he wanted was the privatization of social security and GOP racism and intransigence blocked that. Obama was a such a piece of trash lol
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mila kunis posted:One of the 'reforms' he wanted was the privatization of social security and GOP racism and intransigence blocked that. Obama was a such a piece of trash lol “Hard things are hard”.
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