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Kibbles n Shits posted:IMO Season 1's worse episodes are only really bad when stacked up to season 3+. In a vacuum they are competent Trek, entertaining enough in their own right just not what made DS9 so memorable and good. But yea thankfully it quit trying to be TNG pretty soon into its run. I was about to say that actually, S1's middling episodes I view as bad because DS9 reaches such quality that "middling" is below the line for me. I don't particularly have strong opinions on many of them though so ultimately it's probably unfair to call them genuinely bad.
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Kibbles n Shits posted:IMO Season 1's worse episodes are only really bad when stacked up to season 3+. In a vacuum they are competent Trek, entertaining enough in their own right just not what made DS9 so memorable and good. But yea thankfully it quit trying to be TNG pretty soon into its run. That's why I'd call them middling, not bad. They're just sort of forgettable. The yelling at a cloud episode is probably the worst from 1? At least Move Along Home is entertainingly stupid.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:Episode 9, "Move Along Home" is unironically one of the best episodes of Star Trek ever produced. It's funny, it's weird, like TOS-era weird. This is a good opinion. Move Along Home rocks.
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HD DAD posted:This is a good opinion. Move Along Home rocks. The only issue I had with the episode is that Quark crying on the floor should have had him rigging the game or something. I honestly thought that was what he was doing.
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EimiYoshikawa posted:And man, that pheromones episode, geez. That was what permanently lost me on the series.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:Episode 9, "Move Along Home" is unironically one of the best episodes of Star Trek ever produced. It's funny, it's weird, like TOS-era weird.
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Uncomfortable with all this Move Along Home revisionism.
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I always liked Move Along Home, even back in the day. It's silly and ridiculous. I like seeing otherwise serious people have to contend with that sort of thing.
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Orv posted:Uncomfortable with all this Move Along Home revisionism. I have no idea about "revision". I genuinely didn't remember watching it when I was 16, and when I re watched it a few months ago, I genuinely enjoyed every single minute of it. I was like "Lol that was amazing." then I googled it and was completely stunned that it was considered to be the worst episode of DS9 but in many circles the worst in all of trek. I was shocked. I haven't heard a good reason as to why it's bad, but then again, I'm not interested in watching a 30+ minute youtube video of an angry white dude screeching about it, which is all I was able to find.
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Imagine Mudd running the casino and cheating the Wadi, and Spock has to help him win Allamaraine while Kirk, Bones, Scotty, and Uhura are the pieces.
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I'm mostly playing the bad guy, I've come to appreciate Move Along Home more since I was younger and while I don't think it's particularly great it's a perfectly fine episode especially by the standards of say, The Passenger or Vortex.
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The passenger is great. Siddig was an amazing actor in that episode.
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Gorelab posted:The passenger is great. Siddig was an amazing actor in that episode. I’m gonna have to have the exact opposite opinion of you there, buddy. That was a painful performance.
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Grand Fromage posted:That's why I'd call them middling, not bad. They're just sort of forgettable. The yelling at a cloud episode is probably the worst from 1? At least Move Along Home is entertainingly stupid. I don't think I ever considered that the Storyteller ep is literally Old Man Yells At Cloud.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:The only issue I had with the episode is that Quark crying on the floor should have had him rigging the game or something. I honestly thought that was what he was doing. I mean it is established that Ferengi have absolutely no shame in begging for mercy when all other options are exhausted.
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davidspackage posted:I don't think I ever considered that the Storyteller ep is literally Old Man Yells At Cloud. cloud yeller is the actual worst episode, however it does do a good job establishing bajorans are absolute dumbasses
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:Episode 9, "Move Along Home" is unironically one of the best episodes of Star Trek ever produced. It's funny, it's weird, like TOS-era weird. If that was a TOS episode, it would be one of the most beloved.
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Roadie posted:That was what permanently lost me on the series. To be fair, we had pretty much the same episode as the third in TNG (not counting the pilot as two episodes), right after the white slavery black savages episode. Definitely would've been a lot of people very permanently saying 'gently caress this show' after that these days, and I probably would've been one of them. Just saying, yes, bad episode, all 'love potion' episodes or stories are bad, but other episodes are not that episode. Which is as far as I'll go defending the Orville, because while I think it's not a bad show, I'm not a big enough fan to stan for it.
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Pick posted:cloud yeller is the actual worst episode, however it does do a good job establishing bajorans are absolute dumbasses Honestly, the "Bajoran" societal structures as established in cloud yeller are so individual to that episode and never brought up again in any way whatsoever in the rest of the show, I basically don't count it as a Bajoran episode. It really does feel like some other random planet/society they had to make friends with then never revisited again, like a random planet of the week episode in one of the other series.
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EimiYoshikawa posted:To be fair, we had pretty much the same episode as the third in TNG (not counting the pilot as two episodes), right after the white slavery black savages episode. None of the "love potion" Trek episodes, for all their awfulness, ever descended into "and then the main characters intentionally de facto raped two aliens by using the plot item of the week to make them temporarily fall in love with each other, in the name of diplomacy (and in a day they'll realize what happened and probably immediately murder each other after starting an interstellar war)".
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Yeah, they saved that for the clone and racist Irish episode, where they had (by implication in the near future) all the clone women get diplomacy-raped by leering Irish caricatures while they (Picard) chuckled about it. Just saying, Name Brand Trek has plenty of horrible poo poo in it too, let's not pretend otherwise.
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Roadie posted:None of the "love potion" Trek episodes, for all their awfulness, ever descended into "and then the main characters intentionally de facto raped two aliens by using the plot item of the week to make them temporarily fall in love with each other, in the name of diplomacy (and in a day they'll realize what happened and probably immediately murder each other after starting an interstellar war)". I'm not defending that episode, but I could totally see that happening on TOS.
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Move along home and The Storyteller are both good episodes. If you want to talk bad DS9 episodes, can I present for your consideration, The Muse?
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The Muse was apparently one where the writers realised that they were turning Jake into too much of a Wesley and/or it was definitely an episode of writers jacking off about being writers.
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EimiYoshikawa posted:I'm not a big enough fan to stan for it. so according to google, "stan" is an amalgamation of "stalker" and "fan". Why is "literally defending it in even the most passive manner possible" being a stalkerfan? Orv posted:I'm mostly playing the bad guy, I've come to appreciate Move Along Home more since I was younger and while I don't think it's particularly great it's a perfectly fine episode especially by the standards of say, The Passenger or Vortex. I had no strong feelings on the passenger, but I quite liked Vortex, if only because Odo got some great development, and we see through all the harumphing that he would do anything to find more about his people. Plus ferengi phasers look wicked
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:so according to google, "stan" is an amalgamation of "stalker" and "fan". I thought it was from the Eminem song.
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It is. Featuring Dido.
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Stan just means you'll get behind something/someone 100%.
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I stan you stan we all stan for Kazakhstan
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ALLAMARAINE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zbAyDmP1fs
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EimiYoshikawa posted:To be fair, we had pretty much the same episode as the third in TNG (not counting the pilot as two episodes), right after the white slavery black savages episode. I'm glad I didn't give up on it after that episode, precisely because it was an aberration and not the norm, but it was a close call.
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"...especially when you listen to the dialogue." "What the hell is happening out there?" "Iunno."
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:so according to google, "stan" is an amalgamation of "stalker" and "fan". You do realize that was a typo, right? Of "stand?"
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