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Byzantine posted:Ethiopian diplomats visited Italy in the 1400s for a church council and were treated as dignitaries and honored. One of Portia's suitors in A Merchant of Venice is the Prince of Morocco who woos her eloquently, fails her challenge, and graciously accepts his loss. In The Tempest, the party is traveling back from North Africa, where King Alonso of Naples has just married off his daughter Claribel to the King of Tunis, and Alonso is wistful because his daughter is now far away from him. Othello is a respected general in the Venetian army. And on and on.
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the problem people in this thread have is that they’re all ideological and view voters as sorted by ideology as well. and that is just not true. most people, even politically engaged people, are wholly non-ideological and basically view politics as a cultural practice. it signifies what culture you belong to, and for some it’s like a team sport, but it’s not driven by any kind of coherent ideology, as in a view of what governance should look like. a lot of rurals support programs like right to repair or Medicare for all or whatever but they won’t vote for politicians who support them because they’ve internalized the message of the last forty years, which is Government Can Never Help You So Why Even Try. at this point I think it’s unbreakable and they’re lost to us. that’s the actual victory of the republicans and it’s a huge obstacle to change, you have to demonstrate to these people that policy can actually change their lives for the better, and they will never ever believe you. some won’t even believe you after you’ve done it. and I’m not just talking about depressed rurals. plenty of bright and ostensibly liberal urban democrats think this way too. they’re like beaten dogs. I have friends who love bootyman and beto, but they can’t point to anything they’ve actually done or will do. for them politics is about making them feel a certain way. it’s not about how their lives will be materially different based on who wins.
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FMguru posted:Black characters pop up a fair amount in Shakespeare's plays and they're treated according to their social class.
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May 2, 2019 17:44
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JoelJoel posted:Your last post effectively placed blame one some insignificant middle manager with little to no actual power for workers having poo poo rights. not at all, which is why I capitalized Management and didn’t say “their manager”. there are almost certainly people in the management of the company who could approve sick days, officially or otherwise. they don’t get off the hook for that just because it’s no longer legally required. presumably they didn’t go out of business when they were required legally, so it’s not like sick days are an existential threat. (now, is their middle manager advocating upwards for them to get sick days?)
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J.A.B.C. posted:Thank you for saving the thread. The interconnectedness also means that once your name becomes mud, then all the doors to all the institutions slam shut on you, and you're left on the outside looking in. Which is what happened to this person, and Loomer, and Gun Girl (hmmm, notice a pattern?), and all the other desperate flailers that we make fun of in this thread.
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May 2, 2019 18:08
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Epic High Five posted:The reason I feel the breaking point will come in some unlikely place like Iowa isn't because the people are genuinely socialist waiting to break out or whatever, but rather because there exists there no Dem machine to co-opt and pump the brakes on leftist policy like you have in NY and CA. If I want socialist housing reform to address the homelessness and rent crises, I stand about as good a chance of getting it in Indiana as I do in California. Eh just look at Virginia's ghoulish chief dem. The dems being anemic where they are is because they are extremely good at suppressing the left in those areas. The ridiculous Florida dems as well. The turgid corpse of the party on the state level is a literal dam on left activism making electoral inroads
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I'm not an electoral expert but I think our right-Democrat Death Star in VA is the envy of any party apparatus besides New York. Northam is scum, and I am definitely not bitter about the "Not voting for the Democratic candidate is racist" rhetoric I had to put up with during that election season.
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Subjunctive posted:not at all, which is why I capitalized Management and didn’t say “their manager”. there are almost certainly people in the management of the company who could approve sick days, officially or otherwise. they don’t get off the hook for that just because it’s no longer legally required. presumably they didn’t go out of business when they were required legally, so it’s not like sick days are an existential threat. In a competitive market with thin margins upper management will never approve something that the competition isn't also forced to do. It's a dumb model and I routinely try to point this out, but it's like punching a stone. I got a talking to just the other day for refusing to punish an employee that took too many (unpaid) sick days he had take 3 YTD and I had to argue that this was a reasonable number . The reality is capitalism is garbage to workers and strong unions and good labour protection laws are the only way to force the higher ups to do things like offer paid sick days. There's several layers between me and the ceo and I could honestly be one level below him and I still wouldn't be able to make the decision to pay sick days. The second the ceo found out we were doing more than we're legally mandated to, the axe would fall and the sick days would be taken away. It's capitalism and it's a poo poo sandwich; no amount of additional profit will motivate them to see their employees as human. Collective bargaining or regulation are the only ways they'll ever get sick pay. The point of my anecdote is that some of these guys shot themselves in the dick and are blaming others for their own stupidity when it's painfully obvious why they no longer have paid sick days or bereavement leave.
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Byzantine posted:Ethiopian diplomats visited Italy in the 1400s for a church council and were treated as dignitaries and honored. Why would Ethiopian dignitaries visit the Vatican. They wouldn't even be visiting Constantinople. This seems false.
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Agean90 posted:it's I Never Thought The Panther Would Eat My Face in it's purest distilled form Don't trust the panther! Use your brain! Don't throw your face away!
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May 2, 2019 18:48
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FMguru posted:Black characters pop up a fair amount in Shakespeare's plays and they're treated according to their social class. One of the themes of Othello is some degree of racism my dude. Like I'm not sure how one hears a line like "an old black ram is tupping your white ewe" said and thinks that the characters are totes cool with the Moor.
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May 2, 2019 18:49
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Grape posted:One of the themes of Othello is some degree of racism my dude. Because we desperately love Shakespeare and want to wish away the troublesome things about him, like the entire Taming of the Shrew?
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May 2, 2019 19:40
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I thought we were done with this weird attempt to export 18th century racism to the past, for whatever reason.
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Man, every time this thread has more than 10 replies when I check it it's turned into a real poo poo show
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not suited for this thread sure, just sort of perennially interesting how olden racism was often different in interesting ways from the present-day supposed "knee-jerk" racism.
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May 2, 2019 20:13
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Racism is only inherent to human nature insofar that corrupt institutions will always seek a scapegoat for their corruption
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Made a bad joke belaboring points made earlier in the thread
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May 2, 2019 20:29
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Augus posted:Racism is only inherent to human nature insofar that corrupt institutions will always seek a scapegoat for their corruption Personally, I don't think that's true. In some ways, though it's kind of an untestable hypothesis. When in history have there been institutions that weren't corrupt?
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May 2, 2019 20:30
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Zeroisanumber posted:Everybody fucks This is pretty much my end goal for a communal society. Everybody fuckin, all the time, like a band of Bonobos.
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Militant Lesbian posted:This is pretty much my end goal for a communal society. Everybody fuckin, all the time, like a band of Bonobos. When the robots take over I hope it all just turns to smokin weed and fuckin all the time. I wish it were like that now but we need the bots to take care of producing and maintaining our creature comforts. Shaffness has issued a correction as of 21:13 on May 2, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/1123681518881210376
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pseudanonymous posted:Personally, I don't think that's true. In some ways, though it's kind of an untestable hypothesis. When in history have there been institutions that weren't corrupt? That's the point
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Shaffness posted:When the robots take over I hope it all just turns to smokin weed and fuckin all the time. I wish it were like that now but we need the bots to take care of producing and maintaining our creature comforts. Good Culture ship name.
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I'm applying to work on the Smokin Weed and Fuckin, myself.
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May 2, 2019 23:04
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm applying to work on the Smokin Weed and Fuckin, myself. None of them are named that because that's what they all do, so it's like Mohammed and Camels, and you don't have to work.
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Militant Lesbian posted:This is pretty much my end goal for a communal society. Everybody fuckin, all the time, like a band of Bonobos. I could get behind this.
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I would gently caress.
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JoelJoel posted:In a competitive market with thin margins upper management will never approve something that the competition isn't also forced to do. It's a dumb model and I routinely try to point this out, but it's like punching a stone. I got a talking to just the other day for refusing to punish an employee that took too many (unpaid) sick days he had take 3 YTD and I had to argue that this was a reasonable number . Anecdotally, I still hear the familiar refrain that "nobody wants to work anymore" uttered a lot in my workplace, which is full of Trumpies. A certain segment of Republican voters seem to take pride in having to work Saturdays, constantly stay late on short notice and coming into work even if they're sick or have a family crisis. I don't know where Republicans in general get the idea that Americans are loving lazy when every metric you can use to measure it clearly states the exact opposite. But their solution to every loving thing is "work harder", "spend less", "prey a lot" and "don't get sick" then these same people never stop bitching about taxes.
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BiggerBoat posted:"prey a lot" Freudian.
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Shaffness posted:When the robots take over I hope it all just turns to smokin weed and fuckin all the time. I wish it were like that now but we need the bots to take care of producing and maintaining our creature comforts. thats what this movie is, looks good https://youtu.be/3MIlE9R00ik
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Eh just look at Virginia's ghoulish chief dem. The dems being anemic where they are is because they are extremely good at suppressing the left in those areas. The ridiculous Florida dems as well. The turgid corpse of the party on the state level is a literal dam on left activism making electoral inroads
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Minecraft Holmes posted:https://twitter.com/jlf23655/status/1123992169591771137 Put this in an IV and straight into my veins.
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Minecraft Holmes posted:https://twitter.com/jlf23655/status/1123992169591771137 I guarantee you they will vote for him again.
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SyRauk posted:I guarantee you they will vote for him again. 85% approval rating with GOP voters.
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etalian posted:85% approval rating with GOP voters. Historically speaking, that's really low support for a president in his own party. I don't think that Obama ever dropped lower than the low-90's.
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