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Delsaber posted:
oh yeah that was good but master of disguise warrants like 50 demerits
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he also has a kind of unlikable energy which is maybe not great for an actor
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May 5, 2019 22:06
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Spiner isn't a good enough actor to pull off playing two or sometimes three characters at once and that happens a lot in those episodes.
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May 5, 2019 22:07
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lol but posted:he also has a kind of unlikable energy which is maybe not great for an actor great for this series tho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBfT9H_2jM4
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May 5, 2019 22:47
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lol but posted:he also has a kind of unlikable energy which is maybe not great for an actor 
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May 5, 2019 22:47
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HD DAD posted:Easy and quick Nemesis fixes:
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May 5, 2019 22:57
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lol but posted:oh yeah that was good but master of disguise warrants like 50 demerits I will never pass up an opportunity to post this, the greatest piece of IMDB trivia all time, whenever Master of Disguise is mentioned 
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May 5, 2019 23:09
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Powered Descent posted:He's an extremely pure example of the evil twin. Which is fine as far as it goes, but it also means there's not very much beyond that to make him interesting. Lore works in his very first appearance when it isn't clear he's evil and Data is happy to have another android then he never works again ever
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May 5, 2019 23:49
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The Bloop posted:You are seriously going to have to be more specific Visionary.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Archer is Jeb Bush Please Capt marktheando posted:Spiner isn't a good enough actor to pull off playing two or sometimes three characters at once and that happens a lot in those episodes. I liked him as Soong and as Lore. The character of Lore was a bit one-note but that's more despite Spiner than because of him, I think. I always enjoyed it when he got to stretch a little bit outside of the confines of Data. Masks comes to mind. A weird episode, and not really among my favorites, but I thought he elevated it.
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May 6, 2019 02:35
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Masks is legit one of my favorite episodes of TNG. It’s just so loving weird.
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May 6, 2019 03:26
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TNG Masks is overshadowed in my mind by DS9 Dramatis Personae which did the same thing better a year earlier.
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May 6, 2019 03:35
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Masks is good, but it still doesn’t change the fact that Spiner was basically phoning every episode in after season 2. Season 3+ Data is so incredibly boring compared to what was clearly hinted at in the first two seasons.
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May 6, 2019 03:41
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Masks is great for them hurling Spiner directly into playing half a dozen roles while saying "it's a Picard episode, Brent, you'll barely be there"
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May 6, 2019 03:42
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Masks is weird because the ending is written like this was a Data episode, but Data as a character is barely in it, it’s just a Spiner episode. The lead character is Picard.
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May 6, 2019 03:50
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Snow Cone Capone posted:"theme song roundup" hasn't really touched on the Disco theme song. This sucks. There's no theme, it's just a bunch of chords that occasionally wander into a minor key.
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May 6, 2019 04:19
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Delsaber posted:Archer getting his captaincy mainly through nepotism also felt pretty real. Especially once you meet Erika Hernandez who's better in every possible way than Archer but had to wait like four years to get her ship. She is loving incredible tbh.
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May 6, 2019 04:27
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I do like the motif at 1:49 a lot, I wish they had made more of that instead
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Brawnfire posted:I do like the motif at 1:49 a lot, I wish they had made more of that instead It's a near-direct lift from something but my memory is shot (thanks, brain cancer, go gently caress yourself). I think it might be the bridge of Gerudo Valley from Ocarina of Time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8GRDNU50b8
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May 6, 2019 04:45
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HD DAD posted:- Shinzon literally just played by Patrick Stewart. Forget the “young Picard” angle and just make him regular Picard via the Romulans. They even had a whole plot thing about how his body was breaking down, so first time I saw it, I figured, "OK, at some point he's going to rapidly age and turn into Patrick Stewart". Nope! I mean, what the hell is the point of doing an 'evil twin' story if you're not going to have the twin be played by the same actor?!
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Angry Salami posted:I mean, what the hell is the point of doing an 'evil twin' story if you're not going to have the twin be played by the same actor?! No budget on a franchise with rapidly diminishing returns, on a movie that no one gave a poo poo about, cast included. Nemesis wound up costing like $10 million less than Insurrection after all was said and done.
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May 6, 2019 04:49
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Timby posted:No budget on a franchise with rapidly diminishing returns, on a movie that no one gave a poo poo about, cast included. Nemesis wound up costing like $10 million less than Insurrection after all was said and done. but having them both played by patstew gives you one fewer actor in the budget?
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Timby posted:It's a near-direct lift from something but my memory is shot (thanks, brain cancer, go gently caress yourself). I think it might be the bridge of Gerudo Valley from Ocarina of Time: Wow drat, that is really close. I like it better orchestral than... what is that, midi? But either way it's a nice progression.
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Tunicate posted:but having them both played by patstew gives you one fewer actor in the budget? Not when you have to shoot every scene twice then pay for the VFX budget to merge the shots. Edit: Brawnfire posted:Wow drat, that is really close. I like it better orchestral than... what is that, midi? But either way it's a nice progression. Close. The N64 used a wavetable synthesizer. Here's a much better version that really illustrates the Gerudo / Discovery connection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THdRs7grqhE Timby fucked around with this message at 05:02 on May 6, 2019 |
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May 6, 2019 04:58
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Timby posted:Not when you have to shoot every scene twice then pay for the VFX budget to merge the shots. they do that for the viewscreens anyway, and it isn't like Kirk and Khan ever came face-to-face.
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Lawman 0 posted:She is loving incredible tbh. And in one of the crappy novels, it ends up being her fault the Borg exist.
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May 6, 2019 05:39
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Tunicate posted:they do that for the viewscreens anyway, and it isn't like Kirk and Khan ever came face-to-face. The Wrath of Khan was literally made by the television division of Gulf + Western because it was planned to be a TV dump-off if the dailies came back bad.
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Timby posted:The Wrath of Khan was literally made by the television division of Gulf + Western because it was planned to be a TV dump-off if the dailies came back bad. Can I have a source on this?
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I watched some Worf/Klingon themed TNG recently. I know a lot of what Klingons say is laughably out of line with what they do, but in all of Star Trek, does anyone ever call them out on the bullshit of using cloaking devices? "A noble warrior doesn't stab his enemy in the back," and all. Meanwhile, sneak up on enemy starship and disruptor them to pieces before they know what hit them. Q'apla, y'all.
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davidspackage posted:I watched some Worf/Klingon themed TNG recently. I know a lot of what Klingons say is laughably out of line with what they do, but in all of Star Trek, does anyone ever call them out on the bullshit of using cloaking devices? "A noble warrior doesn't stab his enemy in the back," and all. Meanwhile, sneak up on enemy starship and disruptor them to pieces before they know what hit them. Q'apla, y'all. DS9 mentions this a few times. Worf mostly handwaves it away with something along the lines of "Once war has begun nothing is more honorable than victory". Towards the end Ezri explicitly calls out the hypocrisy and the fact that Worf's version of honor in the modern construct of the empire is total fantasy.
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davidspackage posted:I watched some Worf/Klingon themed TNG recently. I know a lot of what Klingons say is laughably out of line with what they do, but in all of Star Trek, does anyone ever call them out on the bullshit of using cloaking devices? "A noble warrior doesn't stab his enemy in the back," and all. Meanwhile, sneak up on enemy starship and disruptor them to pieces before they know what hit them. Q'apla, y'all. The key thing about Klingons (and what Worf himself totally doesn't understand) is that their idea of honor is "external" and not "internal". It's only bad to do a dishonorable thing if somebody catches you doing it.
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HD DAD posted:Easy and quick Nemesis fixes: A version of Picard who was brought up to be as loyal to to Romulan ideals as Picard is to Federation ones would have been an interesting character to explore.
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May 6, 2019 09:59
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You can't fix the TNG movies. They're inherently incompatible with the spirit of Star Trek.
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May 6, 2019 12:53
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Insurrection is ridiculous compatible with Star Trek. Dumb admiral wants enterprise to gently caress with some idiots who gave up space exploration to become farmers. It's the most common episode type of the era.
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May 6, 2019 13:00
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Timby posted:It's a near-direct lift from something but my memory is shot (thanks, brain cancer, go gently caress yourself). I think it might be the bridge of Gerudo Valley from Ocarina of Time: I know what you're going for here but this is a massive stretch
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Insurrection is ridiculous compatible with Star Trek. Dumb admiral wants enterprise to gently caress with some idiots who gave up space exploration to become farmers. It's the most common episode type of the era. Insurrection and The Final Frontier are the only 2 ST movies I haven't seen  The reviews for Insurrection were bad and the plot (primitive race discovers hidden federation observers) has been in at least 2 other episodes of TNG so I never bothered.
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Final Frontier is worth a watch. It sucks (though I’m sure someone will defend it now that I say so) but it’s weird enough to be fun anyway. Insurrection is not incompatible with Trek any more than First Contact or Nemesis is, but it’s less interesting than either of those movies by quite a ways. Only worth watching so you can listen to Frakes and Sirtis’ piss-take commentary track.
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May 6, 2019 14:35
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I'd rather watch Final Frontier than any of TNG movies again, except maybe First Contact. Final Frontier is stupid but at least it's a fun stupid and not really a complete affront to the TOS cast. Kirk v God is dumb but at least is a believable situation Kirk would get into, whereas action hero Picard and purple space bazooka are just dumb and have no place at all.
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Generations is fine. I mean, Kirk was wasted and there was no reason to destroy the Enterprise-D, but it's got some nice character moments, Malcolm McDowell's great, and the basic idea of the Nexus is a very TOS concept.
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First Contact is the best TNG movie, and its just ok to pretty good at best. But I feel like I should re-watch generations since I haven't seen it since I was a child, I remember not thinking much of it at the time.
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