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If Epic wanted to flip the narrative around, they ought to share their exclusive titles with GOG, if the developer chooses to and takes the tradeoffs (no DRM meaning your game is on torrent sites isntantly etc). Like I don't know how much collusion is actually legal but bringing down Steam is a noble goal. Arcsquad12 posted:They're pretty much preying on developers' fears of drowning in the sea of lovely Steam asset flips Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 18:29 on May 12, 2019 |
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Craptacular! posted:If Epic wanted to flip the narrative around, they ought to share their exclusive titles with GOG, if the developer chooses to and takes the tradeoffs (no DRM meaning your game is on torrent sites isntantly etc). Epic's goal here isn't to bring down Steam, Epic's goal is to take Steam's place. Craptacular! posted:If Steam was less poo poo this wouldn't be a problem. They're like the Blockbuster that stocks Casablanca next to Doom House; the recommendation algorithm that says "you enjoyed Avengers Endgame, so how about trying the Leeroy Jenkins video?" It's not like Valve is helpless here, it's their decision to embrace freedom to the extent of administering Steam like a government service. It's their fault they were so unprepared for the implications of that policy that they were completely caught flat-footed to the idea that someone would submit the medium equivalent of Mein Kampf to their Video Game Library of Congress. They're such liberturds that they deliberately turned their own golden goose into GeoCities 2.0. Right now getting your game on Steam is basically the determination of if you will ever make money or not. Steam being a gatekeeper would just make some Valve guy's personal preferences of what games he likes the source of developer success, which is a world that manages to be even worse than hundreds of cheap asset flips. Bremen fucked around with this message at 18:39 on May 12, 2019 |
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Outer Wilds has the additional wrinkle of being from Fig so there are literal investors looking to make money, not just people looking for a game to be made. I don’t know who would make the final decision between the developer and Fig but it’s just one more pressure.
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Kibayasu posted:Outer Wilds has the additional wrinkle of being from Fig so there are literal investors looking to make money, not just people looking for a game to be made. I don’t know who would make the final decision between the developer and Fig but it’s just one more pressure. When Phoenix Point got bought out the Fig investors did get a share, which actually ended up being a tidy profit for them IIRC.
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May 12, 2019 18:44
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I'm still not seeing all these asset flip games people keep talking about on Steam.
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May 12, 2019 19:20
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The only crowdfunded games that seem to have succumbed to EPIC is fig titles. Almost specifically because fig is a scummier and dumber kickstarter. And what do you know, Randy Pitchford is one of the "key people" involved in fig along with Cliffy B.Mill Village posted:I'm still not seeing all these asset flip games people keep talking about on Steam. Hilariously enough, steam actually is doing something about them now and most of the crap that hits steam is just porn games made in RPG maker, porn games made in china, your competent simulators, your indie titles that are beneath Tim Sweeny's "standards" and your wanna-be undertales/fallouts/ etc. legitimate, if garbage titles. Crabtree fucked around with this message at 19:28 on May 12, 2019 |
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May 12, 2019 19:22
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Crabtree posted:The only crowdfunded games that seem to have succumbed to EPIC is fig titles. Almost specifically because fig is a scummier and dumber kickstarter. And what do you know, Randy Pitchford is one of the "key people" involved in fig along with Cliffy B. How is Fig any scummier than Kickstarter? From what I can tell, indie devs on Fig are going with Epic because a) they provide a better platform + visibility for their game b) that sack of money means the investors and devs get a nice chunk of change. Everybody wins.
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The only "visibility" they have gotten is news that they went exclusive. They'll fare just as well there as with steam as I'm sure Metro will look more appealing to a general consumer than Xcom but iffier than Xenonauts. And lol at better "platform". But no, Fig is clearly a legit business of making sure Tim Schaffer and Cliffy B profit from the few games running through it and pocket the money of small people that still believe in "we're small devs struggling away from mean publishers"; but are only beholden to the actual share holders that put up enough capital that maybe never should have needed EPIC bribes to begin with. They haven't had a noteworthy project since 2017 and now what little "successfully funded" through them is being bought by EPIC, and if you backers don't want epic keys then pound sand! Psychonauts 2 is probably gonna be a Epic Exclusive of PC next. Crabtree fucked around with this message at 23:06 on May 12, 2019 |
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Jack Trades posted:https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-05-12-outer-wilds-becomes-another-epic-games-store-pc-exclusive-and-some-backers-are-not-happy GODFUCKINGDAMMIT
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Mill Village posted:I'm still not seeing all these asset flip games people keep talking about on Steam. They're definitely there, and I've been linked to them, but they never really seem to come up in normal browsing for me. OTOH if it's anything like Amazon after you look at one or two lovely asset flips it probably keeps recommending them to you until the end of time, so maybe that's why some people complain.
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It's more of a problem if you go looking for Indie games. If you aren't a Kickstarter success story you get lumped in with the shits and then it makes it difficult for random browsers to find you unless they already know what they're looking for.
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Missionary Positron posted:How is Fig any scummier than Kickstarter? From what I can tell, indie devs on Fig are going with Epic because a) they provide a better platform + visibility for their game b) that sack of money means the investors and devs get a nice chunk of change. Everybody wins. It's entitely (b) there, Epic's store is hilariously bad. I was kinda neutral on it at first because i don't care about another launcher but so much of the store's implementation is poo poo, uplay games installing twice and there not even being a real backend to the store is incredible. Don't get me wrong though, if I was in charge of making sure an indie game made money i'd be taking the exclusivity for guaranteed money, it's a totally rational decision.
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Arcsquad12 posted:It's more of a problem if you go looking for Indie games. If you aren't a Kickstarter success story you get lumped in with the shits and then it makes it difficult for random browsers to find you unless they already know what they're looking for. Hell, sometimes the kickstarter success stories are the shits, Mighty Number 9. And that was already poisoning the well of faith in crowdfunding with the nightmare of Star Citizen alone. Now Sweeny is letting devs just backstab their customers and the keys they were specifically sold probably for just a few thousand dollars and a revenue percentage. We haven't seen how much EPIC pays anyone yet, right? They could just be taken in by short term profit and then screw themselves even further by selecting an incredibly limited customer pool that may not even give a poo poo about their game.
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Crabtree posted:We haven't seen how much EPIC pays anyone yet, right? They could just be taken in by short term profit and then screw themselves even further by selecting an incredibly limited customer pool that may not even give a poo poo about their game. Supposedly Phoenix Point got 2.5 million. Since Fig investors get a split of the revenue people were able to calculate from that what the total might have been. I don't know if it's confirmed but I've heard that that actually is is an advance on EGS sales. So it would basically be "Here's 2.5 million, and we keep the first 2.5 million that you would earn through sales on our store." So ironically the best thing for the developers is probably that they accept it, use the one year exclusivity as an early access with only a few buyers, then release on all stores later and do most of their sales on Steam/GOG.
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Bremen posted:Supposedly Phoenix Point got 2.5 million. Since Fig investors get a split of the revenue people were able to calculate from that what the total might have been. I don't know if it's confirmed but I've heard that that actually is is an advance on EGS sales. So it would basically be "Here's 2.5 million, and we keep the first 2.5 million that you would earn through sales on our store." So ironically the best thing for the developers is probably that they accept it, use the one year exclusivity as an early access with only a few buyers, then release on all stores later and do most of their sales on Steam/GOG. That's exactly what Supergiant is doing. They've released their next game, Hades as literal Early Access on Epic (they havn't done early access before), with the express intent of releasing the full game in a year on Steam as well. They're probably the smartest out of all the people that signed on.
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I have this feeling Sweeny will rules lawyer them into some contract that demands a certain amount of money back if too many/any people screw them over like that.
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Crabtree posted:But no, Fig is clearly a legit business of making sure Tim Schaffer and Cliffy B profit from the few games running through it and pocket the money of small people that still believe in "we're small devs struggling away from mean publishers"; but are only beholden to the actual share holders that put up enough capital that maybe never should have needed EPIC bribes to begin with. They haven't had a noteworthy project since 2017 and now what little "successfully funded" through them is being bought by EPIC, and if you backers don't want epic keys then pound sand! Psychonauts 2 is probably gonna be a Epic Exclusive of PC next. Fig’s board is composed of heads from several different developers who have run successful Kickstarter campaigns including Harmonix, inXile, and Obsidian, and you are being really weird and creepy about this.
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Pirate Jet posted:Fig’s board is composed of heads from several different developers who have run successful Kickstarter campaigns including Harmonix, inXile, and Obsidian, and you are being really weird and creepy about this. The fact that you used weird and creepy to describe a comment that is 100% not weird and creepy makes me heavily doubt your grasp of the facts from the get go. edit - Read through both his and your comments and you seem closer to weird/creepy than crabtree. Shitty Wizard fucked around with this message at 12:22 on May 13, 2019 |
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lovely Wizard posted:The fact that you used weird and creepy to describe a comment that is 100% not weird and creepy makes me heavily doubt your grasp of the facts from the get go. I... don’t know if you’re confusing me for someone else, because this is the first thing I’ve said about Fig in the whole thread. The idea that Fig is a scam site to line Schafer’s pockets is a conspiracy theory pushed by chuds that blatantly ignores every other person of the exact same standing at Fig. It’s a bunch of people who have successfully crowdfunded games before.
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Looks like the Epic Store finally got around to add the code for sales. Wonder if they are going to go as stupid as the early Steam sales did. quote:Epic Games Store Megasale Tease Leaked Via Fortnite
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/announcement-pc-gaming-show-2019-130200396.htmlquote:This year's lineup, revealed today, is led by Epic Games store, which joins the PC Gaming Show as presenting sponsor. Epic Games will reveal brand new material for several games, including some exclusives, coming to the Epic Games store. Now everyone at E3 will able to enjoy those sweet exclusives. Not just the console players. 
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Bremen posted:I don't know if it's confirmed but I've heard that that actually is is an advance on EGS sales. So it would basically be "Here's 2.5 million, and we keep the first 2.5 million that you would earn through sales on our store." So if your game fails to sell above that 2.5 million, you'll never see any revenue from it because Epic is just going to pocket all that poo poo? 
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s.i.r.e. posted:So if your game fails to sell above that 2.5 million, you'll never see any revenue from it because Epic is just going to pocket all that poo poo? worst case scenario you'd get $2.5 million in revenue
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s.i.r.e. posted:So if your game fails to sell above that 2.5 million, you'll never see any revenue from it because Epic is just going to pocket all that poo poo? If accurate then on the the Epic store yes. You wouldn’t need to give back the first payment though. Now if there’s interest that would be a fucker but advances don’t typically have that, because then they’d be a loan.
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In other words it's literally better to not buy on epic and buy later on other platforms, since 100% of your money would be going to the dev rather that 0%
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Potentially the devs get 1000000% when their game fails on Epic which should be the dream goal of every studio that goes for the deal. Don't promote it, don't talk about it, nothing. Use the money to polish the Steam release for a year.
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Grapplejack posted:In other words it's literally better to not buy on epic and buy later on other platforms, since 100% of your money would be going to the dev rather that 0% Well, 70% on Steam. And once they're over the initial advance amount (if they ever are) they'd still get money from EGS sales, which I believe actually takes a smaller cut than 30%.
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Grapplejack posted:In other words it's literally better to not buy on epic and buy later on other platforms, since 100% of your money would be going to the dev rather that 0% Only if everybody else adopts this strategy. $2.5M is ~50,000 copies sold. If 50,000 copies sell, then you buying on Epic gives the dev more money than buying on Steam.
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Those crafty French.quote:The Division®2: record highs for engagement per playe rand season pass, 10-fold increase in sales on Uplay compared with The Division
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It’s a bit of a misleading marketing statistic. Of course more people are going to buy on uplay when you don’t put it on Steam and they already had uplay installed to play the first game.
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Kibayasu posted:It’s a bit of a misleading marketing statistic. Of course more people are going to buy on uplay when you don’t put it on Steam and they already had uplay installed to play the first game. To be fair, investors don't really care how they got there.
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Mordja posted:Those crafty French. Clever.
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Sale is on. I bought the new Subnautica, it was super cheap!
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Man, this sale shits all over any sale Steam has done for like six years.
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Missionary Positron posted:Man, this sale shits all over any sale Steam has done for like six years. How so? Most stuff seem to be about 10 euros cheaper than normal. Flimf fucked around with this message at 15:55 on May 16, 2019 |
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Sale has it's own problems. Because there's no shopping cart you have to buy multiple games as separate purchases. If you do that quickly (not sure how many is multiple) your account gets blocked from buying games. https://twitter.com/AngriestPat/status/1129028984015130624 Flimf posted:How so? Most stuff seem to be about 10 euros cheaper than normal. Few decent things at $6-$8 and anything you can pre-order is $10 off which is pretty good/comparable to GMG sales sometimes when something is about to come out. Not much to the sale other than that though.
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MagusDraco posted:Sale has it's own problems. Because there's no shopping cart you have to buy multiple games as separate purchases. If you do that quickly (not sure how many is multiple) your account gets blocked from buying games. Epic Games Store - the store that keeps on giving
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