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Kindest Forums User posted:I never said that China was communist. Can you guys please point to the post where I said that? Because I didn't say that, and it's weird that you're fixated on it. I said "there's a billion people in china, and there are many dedicated socialists there". As in, there's people worth showing solidarity towards. I never said anything about the government of China, or it's current economic structure. I was making the point that maybe that the world's most populace country has socialists worth supporting. Or are the Chinese a bunch of worthless imbeciles that are thoroughly poisoned by capitalism and are completely hopeless. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3466532 Go there and never come back. Environmentalist and die hard NDP supporter my rear end
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Entorwellian posted:The CPC twitter feed is a very long and dark rabbit hole, my friend. CPC Twitter is a super-great and awesome example of why traditional leftist parties are a laughing stock in the modern age. Holy poo poo, lauding the FARC and earnestly believing that Venezuela isn't a collapsing dictatorship. I can't even.  Kindest Forums User posted:Let me make myself very clear. I've mentioned it already a couple times. We've tried to make it really really obvious that the CPC has little to do with socialism and a lot to do with actively working to turn the average Canadian against socialism by virtue of associating themselves with thoroughly authoritarian regimes. They exist today to attract the votes of edgy teenagers and people too loving stupid to read, and have accomplished sweet gently caress all otherwise in the thirty years I've been alive. Is that clear enough for ya? Rime fucked around with this message at 03:11 on May 16, 2019 |
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It's kind of funny how D&D is completely full of lanyard liberals who completely and uncritically regurgitate all western propaganda and run out anyone who even questions it. Except it's kind of sad. Kindest Forum User, you'll have a better time in CSPAM. D&D is full of spooks and the aforementioned liberals... Just look at their Venezuela thread if you want to know what I mean. The UK Marxist thread is the only thread in the forum isn't overrun with them.
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Entorwellian posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3466532 Go there and never come back. Rime posted:CPC Twitter is a super-great and awesome example of why traditional leftist parties are a laughing stock in the modern age. uhhh. I'm not sure if you got the memo but John Bolton's and noted war criminal Elliot Abram's boy Juan Guiado weren't able to coup. They tried but it failed. And Maduro is still in power. What's so wrong about a radical party supporting FARC? Or should the Communist Party of Canada supported the fascist paramilitaries? Maybe this is a bad thread to talk about socialism....
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https://twitter.com/compartycanada/status/873006226241728512 Alright I'm done, back to increasing our national gdp. If you really hate communism, donate to this party. Let's get this guy to a debate or something, maybe even get him a seat. Way spicier takes than emay and would help make the ndp look well grounded.
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Yeah the communist parties in Canada are old school tankies mixed with conspiracy theorists and general nutcases. Also don't forget the modern tankie tend to be extremely socially regressive, rambling on about how the trans agenda is simply mental illness and a symptom of the current crisis in capitalism. A modern leftist movement can certainly trace its roots back to Marx, but that line should make a nice big detour around Stalin and Mao.
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Kindest Forums User posted:What is this? What is this supposed to mean? Look here, fucko, people like you are the reason socialism loving died last century. This isn't talking about socialism, it's you being willfully ignorant. Maybe because Maduro is a loving fascist who's fiddling while his country collapses and millions starve/flee it? Maybe because the FARC spent decades raping and murdering for their own delight and ceased to be fighting any form of revolution have a loving century before they dissolved? Jesus christ, I'm as left as you can get and want to roll out the guillotines yesterday, but sitting here apologizing for some of the worst current and historical perversions of socialist ideology makes you look like dimmer than a dead light bulb in a sunken loving ship. 
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah the communist parties in Canada are old school tankies mixed with conspiracy theorists and general nutcases. Also don't forget the modern tankie tend to be extremely socially regressive, rambling on about how the trans agenda is simply mental illness and a symptom of the current crisis in capitalism This is exactly what I want to see. Because I've seen it with other parties, namely in the UK regarding TERFs. But I haven't seen any indication of that occurring, both online and people I've met personally. Like there's some bad takes on their twitter. But I'm not really seeing trend here.
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Rime posted:Look here, fucko, people like you are the reason socialism loving died last century. This isn't talking about socialism, it's you being willfully ignorant. Maybe because Maduro is a loving fascist who's fiddling while his country collapses and millions starve/flee it? Maybe because the FARC spent decades raping and murdering for their own delight and ceased to be fighting any form of revolution have a loving century before they dissolved? I'm not really into Maduro bucko. But I'm DEFINITELY not into American imperialism. And calling Maduro a fascist sure sounds like it's coming from someone who really wants to drop bombs on that country. "I'm as left as you can get". As I immediately spew imperialist propaganda.
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Hover posted:... So, Labour Party of Canada it is then? I could print the stickers. Sounds like a solid brand. I think you should go with a red heavy palette
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infernal machines posted:Wasn't she arrested because she was directly involved in bypassing international trade sanctions? That's the allegation. quote:Back in 2008, Meng was on the board of directors for a Hong Kong-based company called Skycom, according to a Reuters report. Fast forward to 2010 and Skycom tried to sell about $2 million worth of Hewlett-Packard computer equipment to a company in Iran—which was in breach U.S. sanctions.
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Hover posted:... So, Labour Party of Canada it is then? I could print the stickers. You sound like an anti-Semite Corbynite. You fiend.
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Kindest Forums User posted:I'm not really into Maduro bucko. But I'm DEFINITELY not into American imperialism. And calling Maduro a fascist sure sounds like it's coming from someone who really wants to drop bombs on that country. I think you took a wrong turn somewhere near Albuquerque.
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May 16, 2019 03:40
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Kindest Forums User posted:They're protesting the fact that US Government forced Canada to do an illegal arrest. This is not even remotely true. The rest of your post is based on that false premise. Kindest Forums User posted:And Maduro is still in power. Which is interesting, because his mandate expired in January.
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flakeloaf posted:That's the allegation. That's what I remembered, I wasn't aware of anything that subsequently proved that untrue.
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infernal machines posted:Sounds like a solid brand. I think you should go with a red heavy palette Oh my god I legitimately missed this after making the exact same loving joke a hot minute ago. Now I have too much baggage for political office. Arcsquad12 posted:You sound like an anti-Semite Corbynite. You fiend. That's unfounded opinion while you raise gas prices and don't pay a dime in taxes. Am I doing politics right?
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May 16, 2019 03:56
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Can I get your thoughts on The Holodomor?
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The only acceptable new socialist party name is The Tommy Douglas gently caress Tha Rich Guillotine Powered Workers Alliance Experience Project. It can have a logo like Prince had when he dumped his name to get out of his record contract. The bumper stickers can read "Vote TTDFTRGPWAEP or gently caress off."
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littleorv posted:Oh poo poo! Canadian tankies lmao What happened to your old av, it was rad.
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Did someone link this thread in another megathread because who the gently caress are all these people?
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https://twitter.com/MaximeBernier/status/1128448546125111296 nice meltdown
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Kindest Forums User posted:I'm not really into Maduro bucko. But I'm DEFINITELY not into American imperialism. And calling Maduro a fascist sure sounds like it's coming from someone who really wants to drop bombs on that country. It is entirely possible to be against both Maduro and Guaido, it's not a one or the other especially as Canadians. It's not imperialist propaganda to realize Maduro is a poo poo tier leader and Venezuela has a lot of problems. But this is the canpol thread and there are already several options for calling everyone tankies or fascists on these very forums. cowofwar posted:Did someone link this thread in another megathread because who the gently caress are all these people? Must have been, this thread is strangely not as dour 
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Rime posted:I seriously and 100% want to do this, but the greens in Canada are far too hosed to ever be of use. We need to leverage this populist groundswell to create a hard left green movement with a strong socialist foundation, to counteract the hard-right wave which is washing over the country and to prepare us for the shitshow of the 2030's. One thing I can take away from having flipped through the GPC platform, though, is I now understand why the Greens are so against nuclear power, and also why they are the way they are. They aren't a 21st-century anti-carbon environmentalist party, they're a 20th-century no-nukes save-the-whales environmentalist party. Their platform references the international green movement on the regular, and talks about nuclear weaponry way more than it should (as an example, the word "nuclear" appears in the platform twice as often as the word "oil"). A ton of their anti-nuclear-power ranting is about how nuclear power leads to nuclear weapons, and they want to get rid of all nuclear weapons so therefore they can't stand nuclear power. And they seem far more concerned about saving endangered species than about decarbonizing. Like for example they want to put a moratorium on new oil development... but only in protected wildlife areas. They've tried to adapt to the new environmental movement to decarbonize by making the headlines on their platform about a carbon tax and going carbon neutral by 2100 (lmao), but under the surface it seemed to me there was a lot more stuff about saving the whales than about saving humanity. Like their plan to decarbonize agriculture (10% of Canada's carbon emissions) was like two paragraphs long and mostly about eating organic, while individual endangered species get full pages each about how they're going to specifically intervene to protect this particular whale. And tbh this makes perfect sense when you realize they were founded in 1983 and are run by Elizabeth May who's been involved in the environmental movement since the 80s. These are 70s and 80s priorities. They're environmentalist holdovers from before the general public knew about climate change, and they haven't kept up with the times, so their environmental priorities are holdovers from that era. Save the whales! No nukes! And uh we guess decarbonize too.
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"Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, [i posted:August 1914[/i]"]Choosing his party was the most important decision of a man's life. Bogrov wobbled between the uncompromising Maximalists and the anarchists. It doesn't matter because all Canadian parties are all the worst and ineffective at facing any major challenges.  We're five months out from an election. In the past three years, the conservatives have increased their support from three in ten potential voters to nearly four in ten. The NDP has been absolutely stagnant. Since the election, they haven't been able to achieve consistent support from even two in ten people. Bernier's party has (very fortunately) been a damp squib. Liberal support, meanwhile, seems to be collapsing. After receiving support from almost one-half of voters throughout 2016, only three in ten currently support that party. The recent decline in Liberal fortunes have not helped the NDP. Instead, the Conservatives and the Green party, of all things, have been the beneficiaries. The Green's support has steadily increased to one in ten, and they may be getting even more support among young people. https://twitter.com/VoiceOfFranky/status/1128829264885891073 Later in the thread, Frank indicates that Ekos' polling has put them close to the NDP, and that climate change is emerging again as a major issue. I think the Liberal party has a similar issue that the Obama Democrats did in 2012 and 2016. They ran as a change party, haven't delivered, and Canada's now experienced 20+ years of an largely unchanging status quo. I think it's fair to say that the NDP hasn't articulated a new politics, which is incredibly disappointing more than three years have passed since Mulcair's disastrous leadership. And many young people seem to be seeing the Green party as a possible alternative. There's probably a good chance that there will be a three-way race for the progressive vote during the summer. I think it's going to come down to which progressive party can actually articulate a vision for the future, and gently caress, all of them currently suck.
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End first past the post. Thanks Justin.
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I went to a presentation by independent journalist Eva Bartlett the other day that was partially organized by the Communist Party and it owned. She showed off excellent reporting and interviews from Syria and Venezuela that flew in the face of the lies being told to manufacture western consent for foreign invasion. The CPC's anti-imperialism can come off as pro-country-I-don't-like, but that's only because all our other political parties have been so complicit in perpetuating forever-war for so long that people have a hard time reconciling actual peaceful foreign policy with what they think politics are supposed to be. And that might be a mark against them in terms of electability, but it's a shame that it is.
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Health Services posted:Later in the thread, Frank indicates that Ekos' polling has put them close to the NDP, and that climate change is emerging again as a major issue. I think the Liberal party has a similar issue that the Obama Democrats did in 2012 and 2016. They ran as a change party, haven't delivered, and Canada's now experienced 20+ years of an largely unchanging status quo. I think it's fair to say that the NDP hasn't articulated a new politics, which is incredibly disappointing more than three years have passed since Mulcair's disastrous leadership. And many young people seem to be seeing the Green party as a possible alternative. Climate change is currently the #1 issue for Canadians heading into this election season, and without looking at the crosstabs I can guarantee you that the numbers on that are heavily skewed towards youth. Young voters are getting really scared about the future, looking at the different parties, and realizing that none of the big three have any intention of real climate change policy, so they end up with the Greens almost by default, assuming that the Green Party must be good environmentally and that's all that matters. Hell even I'm tempted to vote for the Greens in the next election if only to send a message to the NDP that they need to drop Jagmeet and get serious on the environment, and I'm fully cognizant of how much the Greens suck.
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vyelkin posted:Climate change is currently the #1 issue for Canadians heading into this election season, and without looking at the crosstabs I can guarantee you that the numbers on that are heavily skewed towards youth. Young voters are getting really scared about the future, looking at the different parties, and realizing that none of the big three have any intention of real climate change policy, so they end up with the Greens almost by default, assuming that the Green Party must be good environmentally and that's all that matters. Hell even I'm tempted to vote for the Greens in the next election if only to send a message to the NDP that they need to drop Jagmeet and get serious on the environment, and I'm fully cognizant of how much the Greens suck. The most fundamental political truth of our time is that we live on a warming, dying planet. No party has treated it with the seriousness it deserves or grappled with the implications.
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Health Services posted:The most fundamental political truth of our time is that we live on a warming, dying planet. No party has treated it with the seriousness it deserves or grappled with the implications. Boomers have an astronomical pull on politics still and they give zero fucks about a dying planet because they wont be alive to see any of the bad poo poo happen.
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Stickarts posted:I was all for bringing back the CCF until Erin Weir stood a little too close to it. This is good and got skipped over I a bit in the thread.
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vyelkin posted:Hell even I'm tempted to vote for the Greens in the next election if only to send a message to the NDP that they need to drop Jagmeet and get serious on the environment, and I'm fully cognizant of how much the Greens suck. I'm pretty solidly set on mucking my ballot in protest, but I think this is a defensible position. If I was going to do it I'd want to lean into it though. Maybe make a tinfoil hat and shout something about chemtrails at the polling place.
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vyelkin posted:One thing I can take away from having flipped through the GPC platform, though, is I now understand why the Greens are so against nuclear power, and also why they are the way they are. They aren't a 21st-century anti-carbon environmentalist party, they're a 20th-century no-nukes save-the-whales environmentalist party. Yes, they are first wave environmentalists who care about environmental issues that affect them: like drinking water, pollution in waterways near them, oil spills on their beaches, and all the other really horrid poo poo that became clear in the 60s. But they are not interested in changing their lifestyles or making changes that have long-term impacts. Basically, as someone else said, they are uncomfortable with the effects but really like the causes. Younger generations don't have the pile of wealth to lose and haven't become accustomed to boomer luxuries so they are willing to make sacrifices because they aren't as isolated from the world.
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James Baud posted:The only people who really hate this idea are tax evaders and, like, 70 year olds who have a libertarian "hands off my money government!" streak that likely also involves tax evasion. I believe you bartend part time, so what percentage of your tips do you report? I haven't worked behind the wood in quite a few years now, but when I did I did report on all my income (saw too many friends and colleagues get audited). Cash ain't going away, even just in Canada, anytime soon buds
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James Baud posted:I think it's important to note that the Greens don't actually have much of an organization full of careerists who are continually updating that platform and that it's largely a copy and paste job that's been rolling forward for a couple decades, hence strangely looking a couple decades behind the times. This was one of the things in my platform post that the forums ate, their bit on fossil fuel subsidies uses data on subsidies from 1996-2002, then jumps straight to Trudeau purchasing the Trans Mountain pipeline to say we can add that cost to the 1996-2002 data, as if there were no fossil fuel subsidies in Canada between 2002 and 2018.
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