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Notorious b.s.d. posted:.net core on Linux is cute but are there any enterprise users? yes. lots of them. (and, as you well know, there are also lots and lots of enterprises that use .net on windows)
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May 27, 2019 05:46
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just lol if you use a language controlled by a large corporation
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May 27, 2019 05:52
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yes we should only use programming languages that are controlled by committees made up of employees of at least two large corporations
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May 27, 2019 06:06
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Malcolm XML posted:dotnet core is v solid what with oracle making GBS threads the bed on JDKs and Java. Too bad graal is _even_ better but they are going full EE licensing bullshit for it also graal is inexplicably based on java 8 because I guess making your shiny new tool actually provide the current supported language version is just too drat hard
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May 27, 2019 14:31
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I’ve done a dotnet on Linux recently and it works great
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May 27, 2019 18:14
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:.net core on Linux is cute but are there any enterprise users? the .net / windows connection is so old it has poisoned the ecosystem yeah there's tons
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May 27, 2019 18:50
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:as long as .net is tied to windows, a sane man will pound nails through his dick rather than use .net being too poor to afford a windows license is understandable, but many people use Linux because they're cheap and then wonder why things suck. good tools cost money.
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May 27, 2019 19:48
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Shaggar posted:being too poor to afford a windows license is understandable, but many people use Linux because they're cheap and then wonder why things suck. good tools cost money. Hi Steve Ballmer, hows life back in 1998? You might want to buy this cool new startup called Google just sayin'!
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May 27, 2019 19:58
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no, shaggar is right and it's kinda pissing me off
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May 27, 2019 20:04
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necrotic posted:.net core is becoming the main .net with v5 ' Taken together, the .NET Core and Mono runtimes have a lot of similarities (they are both .NET runtimes after all) but also valuable unique capabilities. It makes sense to make it possible to pick the runtime experience you want. We’re in the process of making CoreCLR and Mono drop-in replacements for one another. We will make it as simple as a build switch to choose between the different runtime options.' Uhhh why not just pick one and integrate whatever from the other?!
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May 27, 2019 20:04
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sql server is better than postgres jetbrains is better than vscode visual studio is far, far better than any other c/c++ ide etc
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May 27, 2019 20:06
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a reason i hadn't heard before in why generics are bad actually: they make your code insecurequote:Security consultant here. can't even count all the gaping vulnerabilites i've had because i made a treeset<foo> and the compiler enforced that it contained foo and no one had to copy paste the implementation and manually change the types
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May 27, 2019 20:07
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i'm the security consultant
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May 27, 2019 20:13
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C must be really secure then
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May 27, 2019 20:13
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feedmegin posted:Uhhh why not just pick one and integrate whatever from the other?! the code authored by microsoft is better but nobody's going to knife miguel's baby, so...
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May 27, 2019 20:19
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that golang security consultant is attempting to refer to c++ templates, and he's correct to the extent that c++ developers do use them to write lovely code that's difficult to decipher. but that's a c++ problem. when faced with the ocean of language design possibilities, the idiots at the helm of c++ always choose to steer directly into the rocks of complexity.
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May 27, 2019 20:41
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suffix posted:a reason i hadn't heard before in why generics are bad actually: they make your code insecure all of the complaints these programmers make about generics are a problem of type inheritance and not a problem of generics. their only experience with generics is with enterpise java where it sucks because you have to deal with generics on top of the insane type hierarchies enterprise programmers favor. once you remove inheritance you no longer really need generic variance (which is the part people really struggle with) and once you've done that there's really nothing to be afraid of. go doesn't do oop and mostly favors copmosition and if they add generics to the language it won't automatically turn into the complexity explosion they're so afraid of (in fact the opposite since they'll be able to delete tons of copy paste code). DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 20:52 on May 27, 2019 |
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May 27, 2019 20:50
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Soricidus posted:also graal is inexplicably based on java 8 because I guess making your shiny new tool actually provide the current supported language version is just too drat hard java 8 is the last good java. everything after it sucks
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May 27, 2019 20:51
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suffix posted:a reason i hadn't heard before in why generics are bad actually: they make your code insecure yeah you know go code is secure when its users are forced to use void pointers everywhere instead of getting compile-time errors via generics and GOPATH can absolutely be a security problem because the default behavior is to prefer random old and/or malicious libraries on the build filesystem. so after diligently flagellating yourself before lord pike by copying all the source code of all your dependencies (and all their dependencies ad infinitum) into your source tree, you must also gently caress with GOPATH to avoid the default behavior of preferring whatever random poo poo is found on the host what a moron dont sign
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May 27, 2019 21:34
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suffix posted:a reason i hadn't heard before in why generics are bad actually: they make your code insecure you might think that because a security consultant's job is literally to read code and find problems with it they would be pretty good at reading code, but in practice it seems to be the exact opposite. i am completely unsurprised that a security consultant likes go as every single one i've ever worked with would rather audit 10k lines of copy and pasted code than have to understand even the simplest abstraction.
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May 27, 2019 21:51
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behold the standard golang json parser, which just throws up its hands and returns a tree of nested void pointers: https://golang.org/pkg/encoding/json/#Unmarshal
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May 27, 2019 22:08
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Malcolm XML posted:java 8 is the last good java. everything after it sucks what. how. is this a jigsaw thing? because you can basically ignore that. worst case you might have to add some extra command line arguments to shut it up. in return, you get var without having to lombok, which is great.
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May 27, 2019 23:21
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Progressive JPEG posted:behold the standard golang json parser, which just throws up its hands and returns a tree of nested void pointers: https://golang.org/pkg/encoding/json/#Unmarshal didn't come here to defend golang, but you're supposed to pass in a pointer to a specific struct or slice of structs or w/e, and it'll use reflection to assign to all the fields. it's probably not optimal but it definitely doesn't force you to into dynamic typing in user code.
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May 27, 2019 23:35
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hot take but the new java licensing stuff isn't a big deal
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May 27, 2019 23:47
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leftist heap posted:hot take but the new java licensing stuff isn't a big deal
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May 28, 2019 00:18
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mystes posted:It's not a big deal if you understand that you should just use OpenJDK, but it seems like this message is somehow not getting through to people who work at companies that use Java in 2019 at all, so it may very well end up being a big deal. oracle doesn't want the message to get through. java is a trap.
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May 28, 2019 00:24
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transitioning to openjdk has been mildly obnoxious because it turned out that some of our stupid jenkins garbage didn't work with it and because jenkins is just a giant pile of plugins, updating any of them inherently means that something else breaks but that was still like a day or two of work and not some endless oracle hell
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May 28, 2019 00:29
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akadajet posted:oracle doesn't want the message to get through. java is a trap. yeah, it kinda sucks because java inspired the current Best Enterprise Language, C#, in so many ways, but Oracle ownership was always gonna doom it somehow.
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May 28, 2019 00:32
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Plorkyeran posted:transitioning to openjdk has been mildly obnoxious because it turned out that some of our stupid jenkins garbage didn't work with it and because jenkins is just a giant pile of plugins, updating any of them inherently means that something else breaks Jenkins implements rpcs by serializing Java objects and sending them over the wire to workers so you must have exactly the same jre across all Jenkins nodes
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May 28, 2019 01:38
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Vanadium posted:didn't come here to defend golang, but you're supposed to pass in a pointer to a specific struct or slice of structs or w/e, and it'll use reflection to assign to all the fields. Don't bother explaining how it works or why it's fine. This isn't the audience. After you get done explaining it someone will just complain about having to make structs in order to use it.
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May 28, 2019 01:39
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like if you just took every design decision that Jenkins made and then built a system doing the exact opposite you'd have a really good CI system
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May 28, 2019 01:43
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Progressive JPEG posted:like if you just took every design decision that Jenkins made and then built a system doing the exact opposite you'd have a really good CI system blue balls
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May 28, 2019 01:57
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Vanadium posted:didn't come here to defend golang, but you're supposed to pass in a pointer to a specific struct or slice of structs or w/e, and it'll use reflection to assign to all the fields. you gotta make sure all your json structs' fields are Capitalized or else the json library can't see them and will silently drop data they at least thought ahead enough to get around this by making the field name comparison case-insensitive lol
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May 28, 2019 01:57
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Progressive JPEG posted:you gotta make sure all your json structs' fields are Capitalized or else the json library can't see them and will silently drop data it's not silent, go is quite up front about exported and unexported fields. same deal with struct tags too. none of this is foreign to anyone who has read the documentation much less been through the learn go by example tutorial
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May 28, 2019 03:01
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Progressive JPEG posted:Jenkins implements rpcs by serializing Java objects and sending them over the wire to workers so you must have exactly the same jre across all Jenkins nodes sounds like Jenkins should be using Jini!
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May 28, 2019 04:13
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Progressive JPEG posted:Jenkins implements rpcs by serializing Java objects and sending them over the wire to workers so you must have exactly the same jre across all Jenkins nodes That…doesn't seem like how Java serialization works.
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May 28, 2019 04:50
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jenkins has its own implementation of groovy which is completely and utterly broken jenkinsfiles let you do things like the following: code:instead, jenkins picks the much cleverer solution of having node() serialize the entire state of the program, send it off to the target node, and then resume execution there. the jvm doesn't support doing that, so they decided they would write their own interpreter for groovy called groovy-cps. the problem is that they didn't do a very good job of implementing groovy, and so you regularly run into bugs like that ['a', 'b', 'c'].each { echo it } prints all three elements of the list in real groovy, but only prints the first element in groovy-cps. it took them over two years to fix this bug. groovy seems to have been specifically designed to enable and encourage as many cute metaprogramming tricks as possible on the jvm, but if you try to actually use any of them or do anything nontrivial (where "nontrivial" is sometimes as simple as "extract some duplicated code into a function") there's a pretty good chance that things will break in a way that's entirely impossible to debug because you can't run a jenkinsfile locally and you can't printf debug when the interpreter itself is the problem.
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May 28, 2019 06:17
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Blinkz0rz posted:it's not silent, go is quite up front about exported and unexported fields. same deal with struct tags too. none of this is foreign to anyone who has read the documentation much less been through the learn go by example tutorial turns out that it was a bad idea to infer special meaning from capitalization of variables
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May 28, 2019 06:33
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Progressive JPEG posted:turns out that it was a bad idea to infer special meaning from capitalization of variables Can you explain? This always seemed like a harmless if idiosyncratic design. I know of the ways people claim it can be annoying, but has it really been so in practice?
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half the problem with apple developer tools is the weak hardware you have to run them on.
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