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Herstory Begins Now posted:I mean go use google and get your read on if you're now curious. What kind of a contribution could Assad's forces provide, exactly? If anything, Iranian and Hezbollah forces leaving to help defend against a US intervention will make them even more vital to keeping his tenuous hold on power.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:What kind of a contribution could Assad's forces provide, exactly? If anything, Iranian and Hezbollah forces leaving to help defend against a US intervention will make them even more vital to keeping his tenuous hold on power. Tbh probably paramilitary assistance rn, though depending on just how quickly units are rearming and recovering, maybe more? Definitely more in 6 months. Hasn't the foreign presence in Syria already sharply dropped off? I'm almost positive that Hezbollah withdrew a lot of its people months ago and the Russians have been a lot less tangibly involved aside from air strikes.
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Jun 15, 2019 03:25
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I mean go use google and get your read on if you're now curious. Syria is a wasteland even with the Civil War over and Assad’s victory. I doubt they’d be able to help much at all if any if there was a conflict.
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Jun 15, 2019 03:25
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To deny the (re)opening of an extra front in a war which would further draw in Iraqi, Lebanese and Yemeni militias is a solid enough contribution to be going on with, probably.
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Jun 15, 2019 03:27
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Brown Moses posted:Seeing my opinion matters so much to some of you, here's my opinion on the incident in the New York Times: Actually I am interested if you have a response to this particularly "pointed" comment on your article quote:Actually, I haven't seen anything that convinces me the Iranians are there at all. In particular the bolded portion.
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Jun 15, 2019 03:34
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Yeah what good are 20,000 people with training and recent experience fighting insurgency/counterinsurgency type of conflicts. The paramilitary/militia groups in Iraq and Syria are absolutely huge and entirely relevant. The sunni militias were huge, so Shia groups felt a very strong pressure to get numbers up to a level that could compete.
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Jun 15, 2019 03:35
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Yeah what good are 20,000 people with training and recent experience fighting insurgency/counterinsurgency type of conflicts. The paramilitary/militia groups in Iraq and Syria are absolutely huge and entirely relevant. The sunni militias were huge, so Shia groups felt a very strong pressure to get numbers up to a level that could compete. May you expand upon this in more detail?
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Jun 15, 2019 03:39
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Yeah what good are 20,000 people with training and recent experience fighting insurgency/counterinsurgency type of conflicts. The paramilitary/militia groups in Iraq and Syria are absolutely huge and entirely relevant. The sunni militias were huge, so Shia groups felt a very strong pressure to get numbers up to a level that could compete. Why do you think that the pro-Assad militias are going to leave Syria to fight for Iran? Unless they're eager to return to his head on a pike, which granted, they might be.
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Jun 15, 2019 03:50
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Tab8715 posted:May you expand upon this in more detail? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_militias_in_Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Mobilization_Forces (150,000 people) Calling them militias kind of undersells them. Most of them are using American weapons, equipment and vehicles and have, after this many years of conflict, a ton of combat experience. Absurd Alhazred posted:Why do you think that the pro-Assad militias are going to leave Syria to fight for Iran? Unless they're eager to return to his head on a pike, which granted, they might be. IRGC was proactively backing Assad with manpower and more basically from day one. If that doesn't get you some support from Assad then idk what does. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jun 15, 2019 |
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Jun 15, 2019 03:50
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Brown Moses, if you want to be honest, you should disclose that the US Navy has a track record of fabricating audio/video footage RE: Iran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLEPO42QY8U https://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/degrees-of-confidence-on-us-iran-naval-incident/
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guidoanselmi posted:Brown Moses, if you want to be honest, you should disclose that the US Navy has a track record of fabricating audio/video footage RE: Iran. This video is from 11 years ago.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:IRGC was proactively backing Assad with manpower and more basically from day one. If that doesn't get you some support from Assad then idk what does. Yeah, they were doing that while Iran and its regime were pretty secure. "Support" is one thing, but suicide? I just don't buy it.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Why do you think that the pro-Assad militias are going to leave Syria to fight for Iran? Unless they're eager to return to his head on a pike, which granted, they might be. Aren't a bunch of the Shiite militias in Syria pretty multinational? I mean, I know that Iraq's been importing a lot of its paramilitary dudes (under Iranian supervision) to help out Assad.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:This video is from 11 years ago. I don't think the contention was they started, or stopped, yesterday.
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Jun 15, 2019 04:00
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:you know how the Likud founding charter states there will be no safe Israel until there is no longer any such thing as a "Palestine" I'm pretty sure they mean that quite literally.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, they were doing that while Iran and its regime were pretty secure. "Support" is one thing, but suicide? I just don't buy it. Assad is in a relatively stable position relative to literally any point in years. 6 months or a year ago he definitely wasn't sparing anyone, but now? It doesn't take a lot of manpower to keep shelling refugee camps and hospitals and neighborhoods in Idlib.
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Jun 15, 2019 04:06
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There's still Iranian soldiers and paramilitaries in Syria. For them to leave and then some regime forces to come with them would just be begging for a big escalation in Syria.
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Jun 15, 2019 04:20
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A big flaming stink posted:Actually I am interested if you have a response to this particularly "pointed" comment on your article I'm interested in how the Open Source Journalism outlet did their Full Diligence yet spaced on the part where a state-released video showed damage on the starboard side when the captain, owner, and crew said they were hit to port. That's a very pointed fuckup to make, assuming all proper working methods are being followed. Oh well. Everyone has a Monday, even on Friday. It's probably just a coincidence.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Why is this petty political slap-fight between inbred nobles and religious fanatics not being handled in a logical manner??? Tell me more about the perfidious Shia and their illogical mind you racist piece of poo poo Tab8715 posted:How many troops would you reasonably need for a continued occupation? US state department during Vietnam predicted it would take 10-15 occupying troops per insurgent to defeat the Insurgency in South Vietnam. How many insurgents could a homogeneous country of 81 million really field though right? Be in Tehran in a month! A Typical Goon fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Jun 15, 2019 |
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Jun 15, 2019 07:39
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A Typical Goon posted:Tell me more about the perfidious Shia and their illogical mind you racist piece of poo poo
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Jun 15, 2019 07:47
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A Typical Goon posted:US state department during Vietnam predicted it would take 10-15 occupying troops per insurgent to defeat the Insurgency in South Vietnam. How many insurgents could a homogeneous country of 81 million really field though right? Be in Tehran in a month! A Draft with Trump sounds like something that'd only happen a bad Dystopian novel comic.
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Jun 15, 2019 08:35
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Not trying to say they're wacky cartoon nutters. Just pointing out that acts that seem irrational to outside observers may seem perfectly rational to actors in the context of a religious authoritarian political structure. But enough said about the US.
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Jun 15, 2019 08:50
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Brown Moses posted:Seeing my opinion matters so much to some of you, here's my opinion on the incident in the New York Times: Thank god the MS Paint analyst is here to tell us the US are on the right track, they just need to doctor the evidence a bit more.
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The US government is collaborating with KSA / being played by KSA to fabricate a pretense for war, and posters itt are pontificating about the perfidious shia mindset, lol
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steinrokkan posted:The US government is collaborating with KSA / being played by KSA to fabricate a pretense for war, and posters itt are pontificating about the perfidious shia mindset, lol Yeah, that's not actually happening. Might want to quiet down your "America Bad" brainworms for just a moment to actually read what people are actually posting.
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Jun 15, 2019 12:53
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steinrokkan posted:Thank god the MS Paint analyst is here to tell us the US are on the right track, they just need to doctor the evidence a bit more. Which part of the article are you basing this opinion on, the part where he says there's no evidence that Iran planted the mines, or the part where he says that there's no evidence that what was removed from the boat was a mine, or was it something I missed?
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Jun 15, 2019 13:08
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It's much better to make sassy posts about what you imagine someone wrote rather than actually reading what they wrote.
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Mozi posted:Which part of the article are you basing this opinion on, the part where he says there's no evidence that Iran planted the mines, or the part where he says that there's no evidence that what was removed from the boat was a mine, or was it something I missed? Don't be daft, you really think he actually read that article? Shitposting needs speed, not accuracy!
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I don't really care if Iran attacked the tankers or not, because the US is to blame for the spike in tensions preceding it either way: https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1139875903968862208
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Given that the Japanese owner of the tanker stated 'flying objects' of some kind were reported to strike the tankers and start the fires, and that torpedos or mines couldn't have been it at all, I'm pretty sure the US is full of poo poo on this one with their insistence on that 'limpet mine' and a footage that looks barely better than the one from 11 years ago.
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A Typical Goon posted:homogeneous country of 81 million 
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Mozi posted:Which part of the article are you basing this opinion on, the part where he says there's no evidence that Iran planted the mines, or the part where he says that there's no evidence that what was removed from the boat was a mine, or was it something I missed?
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Yes, the article that ends with "The evidence is not conclusive and we must weight what both sides have to say" when one side is explicitly trying to destroy the other is just "reasonable journalism" and not cowardly bullshit. Anything short of empathetically proclaiming that yes, this is another Tonkin is an awful take.
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actually a term of art in this discussion. Iraq was an intensely internally divided country, and as a result the occupation went comparatively smoothly, with us able to set up our toy government in peace while its people were out ethnic cleansing each other on with our blessing. Iran will not give us the same grace period. we are not going to be greeted as liberators. and considering how bad we managed to gently caress up WITH a grace period...
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steinrokkan posted:Yes, the article that ends with "The evidence is not conclusive and we must weight what both sides have to say" when one side is explicitly trying to destroy the other is just "reasonable journalism" and not cowardly bullshit. Anything short of empathetically proclaiming that yes, this is another Tonkin is an awful take. At least you admit your conclusions are purely based on your own personal political biases rather than any evidence, good for you.
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Ah yes, thank you for guarding the center with the completely unbiased "we can't point fingers!!!" standpoint.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:actually a term of art in this discussion. Iraq was an intensely internally divided country, and as a result the occupation went comparatively smoothly, with us able to set up our toy government in peace while its people were out ethnic cleansing each other on with our blessing. Iran isn't homogenous, ethnically, or politically. It's not as divided as Iraq, that much is true, though. And the last time somebody tried to use internal divisions against Iraq, it just led to the People's Mujahedeen getting their asses annihilated.
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steinrokkan posted:Ah yes, thank you for guarding the center with the completely unbiased "we can't point fingers!!!" standpoint. Don't worry, you've made your point, I'm sure the Chapo Trap House boys would be proud of you.
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In other news thermometers reached 48, 55 anc 63 C in Kuwait today. 
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Brown Moses posted:Seeing my opinion matters so much to some of you, here's my opinion on the incident in the New York Times: This article seems more concerned with selling NYT readers on the efficacy of open source journalism than it does on actually providing any useful new information or insightful analysis. Early on you make the absurd argument that because of google maps it no longer matters if no journalist is within thousands of miles of a conflict zone. Everything you write after that sentence demonstrates how wrong you are.
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