Sarsapariller posted:

CIG Hacking Prototype, 2017

You have a timer on top showing seconds and milliseconds
Meter showing a value right
3 programs shown at your disposal for use - Portbomb, Shellkit and Rootworm
Values at the right of the programs, which don't update currently
Ability to Cycle Proxy, or Disconnect from the system
Timer bars to show program run progress, and the ability to run more than one at a time
A Gate level to show progress of some sort
A blank door pass code on the right which gets more characters revealed as progress is made

Actual Released Hacking, 2019
Press button and wait 15 mins



So what I'm trying to say is that when they talk about unreleased features it is a sure bet that they will come out exactly as described and not as giant fun-vacuums.

Dementropy posted:

Sarsapariller posted:

The default assumption of the MRA crowd is that women are marrying you to steal your money.

They never notice the part where honestly if you don't have kids with them, you don't really owe them anything in a divorce- so really it's your drat dirty children trying to take all your cash, the grubby bastards. It also seems to escape most of them that if the world were really as transactional as they think and women were in such high demand they could just as easily marry a man they like who makes good money. But no- women are all thieves and men are all repellent and the only thing that brings them together is money, good thing I have a lot of it! <Opens up Star Citizen store page>

colonelwest posted:

It's CIG's typical mode of operations; spend years trying to make some mundane aspect of the game needlessly complex and fidelitious, only to give up and release the most basic implementation possible that is utterly broken and boring, promise its only an early pre-alpha place holder version, then forget about it and leave it in that state forever. But the Citizenry never learns, they always think that the original promised version is right on the horizon so anyone criticizing its current form is a filthy FUDster.

Flared Basic Bitch posted:

Even if you’re actually hollow headed enough to believe this garbage, you could still hypothetically try to find someone that understands your concerns and will sign a prenup or just be ok with a nontraditional partnership. But no it’s just reeeeeeeeeee all women are gold diggers or whatever so why try. Yes I’m sure there’s no other reason for your “voluntary” solitude, creeps.

No one wants half of your foil Magic cards and limited edition maquettes anyway dorks.

Sarsapariller posted:

It's not just basic though. That's what gets me- there's clearly something going on here. Basic would be what they had- hit E on the screen, wait X minutes, hack complete.

But now you actually have to go buy widgets, and different widgets have different hacking properties. You actually have to interact with the screen, hitting the prompt. They've given it stakes and they've given it mechanics that could, conceivably, be used to make something fun. But instead they use those mechanics to bore the player. The widgets are there to make hacking cost a lot of money. The prompts are there to force you to sit at your computer for the full 15 minutes because if you don't the hack will fail. It's not gameplay, it's a punishment. Just like the quantum travel.

Once again it feels like someone's sabotaging the game with design decisions that are actively anti-player. There's something more going on behind the scenes and I really want to know what it is.

Sarsapariller posted:

CIG Hacking Prototype, 2017
https://gfycat.com/vibrantterribleblacklab


Actual Released Hacking, 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exUbUbZsdC4&t=355s

valiantlife posted:

AFAIK the bugged is tied to the server running at about 5fps and so running out the door could mean you miss a bunch of server ticks. The server then drags you back inside the ship and forces you to do the ladder climbing cinematic but by forcing you back inside it causes a large amount of damage so you die.

The bigger issue here is forcing the player to do the dumb climb down cut scene when, in a sandbox game like this, players should have the freedom to leave the ship however they want.

This also goes for the dumb chair swivel and anything involving ladders.

Sarsapariller posted:

CIG Hacking Prototype, 2017
https://gfycat.com/vibrantterribleblacklab


Actual Released Hacking, 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exUbUbZsdC4&t=355s

So what I'm trying to say is that when they talk about unreleased features it is a sure bet that they will come out exactly as described and not as giant fun-vacuums.

Fidelitious posted:

I'm pretty sure if they removed ALL the fidelity animations they would immediately fix about 25%-30% of their existing bugs while simultaneously cutting down their future workload by a decent amount.
Next step would be to move their flight model to a properly 'faked' one and stop trying to deal with their 'realistic' thruster models etc. That's probably another 25% of the bugs gone right there.

Fidelitious posted:

I've seen enough of the cuts from the bugs that appear in their bug-tracker thingy to propose a solution.

I'm pretty sure if they removed ALL the fidelity animations they would immediately fix about 25%-30% of their existing bugs while simultaneously cutting down their future workload by a decent amount.
Next step would be to move their flight model to a properly 'faked' one and stop trying to deal with their 'realistic' thruster models etc. That's probably another 25% of the bugs gone right there.

I wager some more work on removing "inner thought" and making the mobiglass a normal client-side menu would also make good progress.

peter gabriel posted:

An offer approaches

Bofast posted:

Do it, dancey cat! The world needs more pgabz.

Sarsapariller posted:

Yes absolutely. Half the broken poo poo in the game is because the spaceman is forced to do things the hard way for no benefit to the game or player. Compare the ship entry/exit in Star Citizen to Warframe, for example. In Star Citizen every ladder and door and hatch must be modeled and accessible to the player, they all require mocap or physics interactions for entry/exit, they are the source of half the bugs in the game due to the player not-quite-seamlessly leaving one physics grid and entering another, etc.

In Warframe you just click "Enter" and a 1 second cutscene plays and then you're inside the ship. And nobody cares because after the first time, nobody notices poo poo like that. Except for Chris. Chris notices, he can't stop noticing. He has this bizarre eye for the most pointless details, and completely misses the bigger picture. He'll go loving monkeyshit over something like the elevators not actually moving even though they are closed windowless boxes, and insist that the game be adjusted until they do, even if it makes you bounce and jitter and clip all over the loving place in the aftermath.

Sample_text posted:

"The ship interior doesn't line up perfectly with the exterior" is something only pedantic people would notice.

Scruffpuff posted:

I think I have you covered. Chris is selling the "Hollywood" experience, even though this is a game and not a movie, the two should never mix, and movies are made to be watched not played. But Chris is a weapons-grade moron, so this is now a movie. The reason, and I am not making this up, the reason those delays are there is to force the movie-going experience not on you, but on the people around you. It takes 15 minutes to hack so there's a big window of opportunity for another commando to happen upon the scene, see you there, and think "Look, he's hacking the terminal!" All they have to add is the audio for "I'm past the third firewall, this guy is good, deploying countermeasures." The reason quantum travel takes so long is so you keep having to stay engaged so your passengers can run around and "check the inertial dampeners." Star Citizen is a movie, and the players are Chris's extras, except instead of him paying them, they're paying him.

Keep in mind how many hours and hours of footage are shot to get 2 minutes that winds up in the film. That's what Chris is going for here. The longer everything takes, the more likely there will eventually be a confluence of events that plays out in such a way that people will talk about it and say "It was just like a movie!" People are paying tens of thousands of dollars to send the vast majority of their free time straight to the cutting room floor.

colonelwest posted:

Yeah, I think most of the answers to why Star Citizen is broken mess of half-baked ideas left to rot on the vine boil down to either...

1. Chris thinks everything in video games should be as cinematic as possible, regardless of how detrimental to actual game play this is. He has an antiquated belief that film is the inherently superior medium which video games must emulate and catch up to, compounded by an infantile understanding of what cinematic even means.

Scruffpuff posted:

This is the central conceit behind the entire project. It caters to disorders that most people would pay a psychiatrist to help them resolve. In fact, those disorders form the bedrock foundation the entire project is built on. You can't fix the game without breaking the backers.

SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:

Not that they did it on purpose but CIG probably want the starter ship to be bad and frustrating. The doors (which work and have for years now, I insist) murder-clipping commandos is just advertisement for an upgrade.

Beet Wagon posted:

Considering the fact that basically every time I get drunk enough to play Star Citizen I consider giving them another 20 bucks to have a usable ship just so that I can make videos about how bad the game is, I guess their plan is working.

Parallelwoody posted:

Anyone heard from dsizzle lately?

Beet Wagon posted:

I mean... we can tell him whatever we want

Sample_text posted:

So from what I understand , in Warframe, the "ship", the enemy "ship" etc are just static levels you teleport to and from. The "windows" are just remote camera views that are stuck to the outside of the ship models.
The thing is , this actually allows them to re-use a poo poo TON of their existing content , and allow them to generate a ton of proc-gen varieties of "ship interiors". As long as there's a "gun turret room", a "cockpit room" somewhere, they can make the same levels as before. "The ship interior doesn't line up perfectly with the exterior" is something only pedantic people would notice, AND it allows them to basically allow you to fly a capital ship with full interior with a lot less hassle.

skeletors_condom posted:

Bring back the smart!

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badnewsbaron

I don't think I've seen anything smaller than a Cat or Starfarer be involved in a chasing fight. In PVP it's always an orbiting shootout facing each other as best as possible, or afterburner jousting.

The media around Star Citizen fights, whether fan made or official art or trailers, always has the Star Wars dogfight style rather than what actually happens in game.

Mirificus posted: