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Aziz of Arabia posted:Still, they're invited by the Saudi government. The Saudi government consists of terrible people, who cares what they think?
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Orange Devil posted:The Saudi government consists of terrible people, who cares what they think? This is the same strain of thought that brought Libya and Iraq to where they are now. At least Assad wasn't replaced by islamists in Syria, mashallah.
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It isn't illegal for the US to send forces to Saudi Arabia, as they're welcomed by the host government. It's just unwise, because it pisses off double digit percentages of people in a whole bunch of countries, and doesn't appear to be tied to any actual objective. It's just the blob at work.
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Aziz of Arabia posted:This is the same strain of thought that brought Libya and Iraq to where they are now. But the Saudi government are Islamists with a record of supporting terrorists across the globe, not to mention blood-thirsty dictators across the Arab world. They back up people like Sisi and work with AQAP as we speak. They also have ties to the same extremists you mentioned in Syria, even if they eventually disavowed them. This "government" has no legitimacy, and is unequivocally a force for evil, domestically and internationally.
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Aziz of Arabia posted:This is the same strain of thought that brought Libya and Iraq to where they are now. No, it isn't. Also Libya and Iraq were explicitly not (longer) US-supported regimes. Which is a lot more relevant to their current state. Putting US troops in Saudi-Arabia for any reason, but perhaps especially for no clearly defined reason at all, is firmly in the "doing stupid poo poo" school of US foreign policy.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/20/britain-lured-into-deadly-trap-on-iran-by-trump-hawk-john-boltonquote:So when Bolton heard British Royal Marines had seized an Iranian oil tanker off Gibraltar on America’s Independence Day, his joy was unconfined. “Excellent news: UK has detained the supertanker Grace I laden with Iranian oil bound for Syria in violation of EU sanctions,” he exulted on Twitter. lol of course John Bolton's behind this.
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Nothing in the story actually matches up with the headline? The US told Britain to do something and they did it? How were they "lured" into anything? How do we know the whole thing isn't some kind of bid by Theresa May to have her own Falklands moment?
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Throatwarbler posted:How do we know the whole thing isn't some kind of bid by Theresa May to have her own Falklands moment? I don't think the political UK is able to do much except eat itself up at the moment, and it would probably take a ground invasion of British owned soil for May to be able to somehow un-resign as party leader
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Throatwarbler posted:Nothing in the story actually matches up with the headline? The US told Britain to do something and they did it? How were they "lured" into anything? The British did not think through the consequences of seizing an Iranian oil tanker and are now involved in an international standoff with Iran. May is resigning Wednesday and the Royal Navy is no shape to fight a war.
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Throatwarbler posted:Nothing in the story actually matches up with the headline? The US told Britain to do something and they did it? How were they "lured" into anything? I think it's mostly about the sobering realization that the UK's royal marines obey direct orders from Washington, that the Pentagon doesn't actually need to use Downing Street as a proxy. They used to, as some token measure of courtesy to let the British pretend they are a sovereign nation; but in the Trump era this kind of polite subtlety does not have a place in the world anymore.
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OhFunny posted:The British did not think through the consequences of seizing an Iranian oil tanker and are now involved in an international standoff with Iran. May is setting up Boris for an immediate legitimacy question of mandate. How will he run the country if he cant stand up to THE MUSLIM HORDES. Boris will have to react swiftly and decisively to consolidate his base of the tory papals. Otherwise ge loses. This is loving bad. This is a powderkeg ready to explode.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:May is setting up Boris for an immediate legitimacy question of mandate. How will he run the country if he cant stand up to THE MUSLIM HORDES. Given the state of everything in the UK I'm half expecting Windows for Warships to crash and leave £1bn of Type 45 to get sunk by speedboats, twice in a row.
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suck my woke dick posted:Given the state of everything in the UK I'm half expecting Windows for Warships to crash and leave £1bn of Type 45 to get sunk by speedboats, twice in a row.
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suck my woke dick posted:Given the state of everything in the UK I'm half expecting Windows for Warships to crash and leave £1bn of Type 45 to get sunk by speedboats, twice in a row. Far more likely they just stomp on the muslims in the UK as a show of them 'doing something about it,' which they can do much more easily and which'll be far more horrible than just wasting taxpayer money on the lovely Royal Navy to fail. Never mind that said UK muslims are more likely to be sunni anyway, UK voters that actually vote for proven dipshits like Boris this time around are just the sort of ignoramuses to lap it up. 
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CrazyLoon posted:Far more likely they just stomp on the muslims in the UK as a show of them 'doing something about it,' which they can do much more easily and which'll be far more horrible than just wasting taxpayer money on the lovely Royal Navy to fail. Yet another example of the failure of socialism
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CrazyLoon posted:Far more likely they just stomp on the muslims in the UK as a show of them 'doing something about it,' which they can do much more easily and which'll be far more horrible than just wasting taxpayer money on the lovely Royal Navy to fail. I mean the UK isn't saying much about this. It's at least in part because Johnson and the rest do not want to look like complete American stooges for the frothing insanity of the Tory party. Alongside that, the majority of people do actually seem to really dislike Johnson, more so than any other politician in the country at the moment. It's not all of us voting and, hilariously, Johnson has very little in the way of constitutional "wiggle room" because so many folks in his own party find him repellent.
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CrazyLoon posted:Far more likely they just stomp on the muslims in the UK as a show of them 'doing something about it,' which they can do much more easily and which'll be far more horrible than just wasting taxpayer money on the lovely Royal Navy to fail. The world's bad enough without pulling poo poo like this out of your rear end to worry about. There's no reason to believe the UK is going to start enacting pogroms against Muslims to get back at Iran for getting back at them for seizing a tanker, jfc.
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Cat Mattress posted:Don't be ridiculous, the Royal Navy is never going to let the Iranian sink its prize warships. They cleverly made sure that the Type 45 was physically unable of sailing to the Persian Gulf. Speedboats don't have the endurance to reach the North Sea from Iran, so the pride and joy of the British admiralty is safely out of reach. Might see this happen as the UK is sending the HMS Duncan, a Type 45 destroyer, to the Persian Gulf.
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Sinteres posted:The world's bad enough without pulling poo poo like this out of your rear end to worry about. There's no reason to believe the UK is going to start enacting pogroms against Muslims to get back at Iran for getting back at them for seizing a tanker, jfc. I dunno what to think about them nowadays, man, given how cozy they wanna be with the US govt....but yea, I did pull it out of my rear end I guess.
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If the UK wanted to do something stupid and spiteful to get back at Iran, couldn't they just use their bases in Cyprus to put a few planes in the sky and kill some Iranians in Syria like Israel does? Cyprus presumably wouldn't be thrilled, particularly with the recent example of a regime missile (accidentally) falling in their territory, but if Israel can get away with it without much risk of reprisal, presumably the British could too. I don't think they'll do that, but if I did have to draw up a retaliatory scenario for them, that's the closest one to something that makes sense that I can come up with short of begging the US to do something since we talked them into this in the first place. Or just negotiating, which is what they should actually do.
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Isn't another option to recruit a paramilitary regiment from amongst their Sunni asylees (like the Pakistanis, Egyptians, &c.) and send them into Iran? Maybe via Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan? From there, they can travel into Iran and spread the sunnah upon those Shi'a munafiqs. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I hope so, what are the British known for if not organizing effective Sunni militias? Send them against the irgc and the whole rotten structure will collapse. Within a generation those Iranians will have learned to queue and enjoy boiled offal.
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It's been a full century! Time to shake things up and have another Lawrence of CrazyLoon fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Jul 21, 2019 |
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With what is happening in Britain and judging by Boris' desire to grow closer to the US after brexit to save his country from real collapse. He will require the form of political capital trump likes. That being shows of force and military meat spins. So a takeaway from all of this is the fact that Iran will be a military Junta in the aftermath of all of this unless statud quo is maintainted. The runner up to the supreme leader is the IRGC whether by attrition or coercement by the US they will be the ones to inherit the country. And that military will be one that has 1 goal: Build Nukes America could end the loving world by going after the ayayollah. And t45s will be steaming towards the persian gulf in trumps flank . If they sink itll be The iron Lady all over again. Johnson doesnt have anything to lose by losing british ships.
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Eschenique posted:Didn't.... Trump personally nix that deal? lolin' at the absolute state of the USA
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Yea, he nixed it because Obama made it happen and the pissbaby can't have that. He'd rather wreck something that took god knows how many years of diplomatic work and negotiations, and then do the exact same thing only with brute force, just so that he could say that it was *him* who made it happen, and not Obama! Only problem is that by this point even a dog could do diplomacy better than a gutted US diplo corps under the Trump administration.
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Aziz of Arabia posted:Isn't another option to recruit a paramilitary regiment from amongst their Sunni asylees (like the Pakistanis, Egyptians, &c.) and send them into Iran? Maybe via Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan? 
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:With what is happening in Britain and judging by Boris' desire to grow closer to the US after brexit to save his country from real collapse. He will require the form of political capital trump likes. That being shows of force and military meat spins.
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Cat Mattress posted:Don't be ridiculous, the Royal Navy is never going to let the Iranian sink its prize warships. They cleverly made sure that the Type 45 was physically unable of sailing to the Persian Gulf. Speedboats don't have the endurance to reach the North Sea from Iran, so the pride and joy of the British admiralty is safely out of reach. This is some bizarre level of hilarious/ridiculous: quote:Rolls-Royce executives said engines installed in the Type 45 destroyers had been built as specified – but that the conditions in the Middle East were not “in line with these specs”. How on earth do you build a £1bn ship that can't sail in warm waters? And then not get sued into the ground?
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Blut posted:This is some bizarre level of hilarious/ridiculous: Its the wacky world of military procurement. Speaking of British warships, its interesting that Iran was able to seize two tankers (later releasing one) while the UK were well aware of the threat and had escort vessels in the area. British ships prevented a tanker from being taken a week or two ago-- supposedly. Its quite the dance going on in the Gulf right now.
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Count Roland posted:Its the wacky world of military procurement. If they lose one more ship they have to rename it the Royal Coast Guard.
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Count Roland posted:Its the wacky world of military procurement. Passage through Straits are governed by international treaty basically allowing ship traffic through Straits even through territorial waters. A ship passing through the Straits of Hormuz are going to be close to Iranian Territorial waters or even in Iranian Territorial waters. It's a busy shipping route so there are a lot of ships moving through so there's a lot of ships to protect. Once a ship is seized it is likely in Iranian waters or will be shortly. So the British are left with the choice of attacking Iranians in Iranian waters and starting a shooting war or letting them take the ship.
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Count Roland posted:Its the wacky world of military procurement. This is also partly a failure of US diplomacy. American diplomats were pressing allies to help patrol convoys in the Gulf after the attacks on the tankers but most nations were reticent to participate. This kind of incident is in part fallout from Trump's relationship of mistrust and antagonism with the rest of the world.
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"How Trump’s arch-hawk lured Britain into a dangerous trap to punish Iran" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/20/britain-lured-into-deadly-trap-on-iran-by-trump-hawk-john-bolton  Whoops! I guess it already got linked
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Blut posted:How on earth do you build a £1bn ship that can't sail in warm waters? And then not get sued into the ground? The engines can't handle the different water temperature there, iirc they're trying some fancier turbines instead of regular diesel engines. quote:The first warning signs emerged in 2009 when the Commons defence committee warned that “persistent overoptimism and underestimation of the technical challenges combined with inappropriate commercial arrangements” would lead to rising costs. Britannia rules the waves lol
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Count Roland posted:Its the wacky world of military procurement. The UK only has one frigate in the Gulf for escort duty. It can't be everywhere.
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quote:The first warning signs emerged in 2009 when the Commons defence committee warned that “persistent overoptimism and underestimation of the technical challenges combined with inappropriate commercial arrangements” would lead to rising costs. Good to see the Humphrey verbosity method of communication is alive and well in the UK government.
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Aziz of Arabia posted:Isn't another option to recruit a paramilitary regiment from amongst their Sunni asylees (like the Pakistanis, Egyptians, &c.) and send them into Iran? Maybe via Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan? You are cordially invited to gently caress off and not post here again.
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Aziz of Arabia posted:Isn't another option to recruit a paramilitary regiment from amongst their Sunni asylees (like the Pakistanis, Egyptians, &c.) and send them into Iran? Maybe via Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan? Uhhhh I’m Shia don’t use that term, what the gently caress?
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