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Eye of the Needle is one of the few Voyager episodes that I would unreservedly call good. It doesn't have any useless cruft or pointless dialogue, it's early on before the writers room decides to make Janeway into a schizophrenic double triple weekly war criminal and it's got some good TNG/DS9 style "let's figure this science thing out and do poo poo together" going on. That it comes in at episode seven and I had forgotten that but remembered the episode itself as one of the few episodes to make a genuine go at Voyager's attempt to get home (as opposed to the weekly pit stop for bullshit) is perhaps a more damning thing than I could really ever say in generalizations of "Oh Voyager is bad." E: Also the episode immediately following it is the Tom Paris in mind jail episode which somehow came before the DS9 Miles one but is infinitely worse, tha'some good whiplash. Orv fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Jul 23, 2019 |
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The most interesting thing about Eye of the Needle is a throwaway moment near the end. The Romulan guy says he could tell Starfleet not to send Voyager out after the Maquis so they would never get stranded. Chakotay is like “no, that would gently caress up the timelines of the Delta Quadrant people we’ve already met”. Nobody says anything further about this, but just think about it from his point of view: if Voyager never got sent after Chakotay in the first place, he and the other Maquis guys would just get retroactively stuck in the DQ by themselves.
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Jul 23, 2019 13:52
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Alec Peters, the Axanar jackass, is suing the guy who owns Axamonitor for defamation and libel. He's also putting up some of the props he bought from that massive auction like six or seven years ago for, well, auction. Translation: Dude is out of money.
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Jul 23, 2019 14:09
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EimiYoshikawa posted:I mean, it definitely could have been an interesting thing, this race that somehow has shooty spaceships, but so little understanding of science that they don't get how easy it is to get more or less unlimited water from hydrogen, which should be fairly easy with their level of technology. Which then leads to the revelation later on that their entire peoples had been a slave race to the people who built the ships they now use, having risen up against their oppressors and overthrown them, seizing their technology for themselves, but more or less piloting them by rote learning and borderline cargo-cult understanding of what's now their own tech without understanding any of the underlying fundamental principles, which also means said technology is breaking down and deteriorating faster than it should be, because they can't really fix anything serious, which is, obviously, a huge threat to the well-being of their people as a result. Thus giving Voyager an in on a diplomatic angle and possible peace with what they had thought to just be savage thugs. We look for things to make us go.
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Jul 23, 2019 14:11
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Big Mean Jerk posted:so I’m watching voyager and You're not perfect..
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Jul 23, 2019 14:22
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CrimsonAuthor posted:You're not perfect.. I beg to differ 
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Jul 23, 2019 14:28
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The Bloop posted:I beg to differ gently caress you for reminding me of this neuron-destroying episode.
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Jul 23, 2019 14:31
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Epicurius posted:The other problem is that space has giant chunks of ice that just move around in it, so they'd probably find those, at least Maybe they don't know that water can freeze because they all lived on a hot planet and didn't get any ice for their drinks from their oppressors, and kill everyone else they meet before they can tell them about it. Never doubt the Kazon.
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Jul 23, 2019 14:33
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Big Mean Jerk posted:so I’m watching voyager and God drat, they thought about the Borg so, so little. Why is it already covered in eye bits and cables and mechanical wotsits? It's a fetus, it's not even done developing yet, what possible advantage can there be to grafting technology onto it at this stage? Or is the technology developing apace with the fetus? Will a tiny little laser-retina form alongside the developing eye? Will a length of cable form and coil itself around the new spine like a morning glory? I wish somebody had ever thought about the various attachments and what they represented in Borg functionality. They're all given the "one eye, one arm" Borging, but that's like having a toolbox full of multitools. Why did Picard need that poo poo to be Locutus? Why not just plug something into his brain and give him like, a digital voicebox? Whammo, that's it, he's just talking. You wasted an arm on Locutus, guys. Form from function, you're supposed to be efficient.
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Jul 23, 2019 14:43
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Not defending the fetus but if the borg evolved over time in a similar fashion to purely biological life, they wouldn't be set up for optimal anything, they would be good enough, collectively, to do their thing. An actually optimized borg cube/sub-collective would be horrifying and maybe even a ripe story idea to make them feel like a threat again someday.
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Jul 23, 2019 14:50
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I mean, in theory, a borg fetus/baby could indeed have implants grown along with its flesh, given, you know, nanotechnology and all. But let's be honest, that's not why the borg fetus had implants, it's because someone had a dumb idea they thought would be cool.
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Jul 23, 2019 14:56
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How is babby borged
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Jul 23, 2019 15:14
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 VISIONARIES! Knights of the mystical cybernetic foetus
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Jul 23, 2019 15:15
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To be fair to Voyager, there were Borg babies in their very first appearance. Which I just re-watched last night, and then watched the next one, where Riker gets left in charge and is tricked by the galaxy's most moronic kidnappers.
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Jul 23, 2019 15:22
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marktheando posted:To be fair to Voyager, there were Borg babies in their very first appearance. Which I just re-watched last night, and then watched the next one, where Riker gets left in charge and is tricked by the galaxy's most moronic kidnappers. there were borg babies in drawers from the beginning, but even that is a bit different from a fetus with an eyepiece lol 
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Jul 23, 2019 15:24
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Brawnfire posted:I wish somebody had ever thought about the various attachments and what they represented in Borg functionality. They're all given the "one eye, one arm" Borging, but that's like having a toolbox full of multitools. Why did Picard need that poo poo to be Locutus? Why not just plug something into his brain and give him like, a digital voicebox? Whammo, that's it, he's just talking. You wasted an arm on Locutus, guys. Form from function, you're supposed to be efficient. So he can do other things when he's not talking, I guess? Waste of a good drone to just put him in storage when they don't need to talk to people.
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Jul 23, 2019 15:38
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Brawnfire posted:I wish somebody had ever thought about the various attachments and what they represented in Borg functionality. They're all given the "one eye, one arm" Borging, but that's like having a toolbox full of multitools. Why did Picard need that poo poo to be Locutus? Why not just plug something into his brain and give him like, a digital voicebox? Whammo, that's it, he's just talking. You wasted an arm on Locutus, guys. Form from function, you're supposed to be efficient. The whole Borg aesthetic is about avoiding specialization - that's why their ships are cubes; no single part is any different from any other. They're all about creating interchangeable cogs in a giant machine, and erasing any differences. The Dominion are the hyper-specialized caste system empire, not the Borg.
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Jul 23, 2019 15:51
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The Bloop posted:there were borg babies in drawers from the beginning, but even that is a bit different from a fetus with an eyepiece lol Babies at least make sense to me. They'd presumably correct for natal defects or whatever post-birth with machinery. EimiYoshikawa posted:I mean, in theory, a borg fetus/baby could indeed have implants grown along with its flesh, given, you know, nanotechnology and all. See, this is what I considered. I guess what gets me is the weird mashup between mechanical parts and nanites. It seems like nanotech alone would work, or just the integration of tech without the nanites, but the two of them together makes one of them seem unnecessary. It feels like they're putting in extra work at some point, and I have difficulty locating that point.
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Jul 23, 2019 16:02
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Brawnfire posted:Babies at least make sense to me. They'd presumably correct for natal defects or whatever post-birth with machinery. Another one born with two eyes and individuality But we can fix that!
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Jul 23, 2019 16:08
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The Bloop posted:Another one born with two eyes and individuality Borg the Builder
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skasion posted:How is babby borged They need to do way instain queen> who asimsilate thier babbys, becuse these babby cant resist? It was on the news this mroing a brog in ar who had assimlatr three kids, and they fall back too lady to rest. not again ; the lien msut be draw here
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Jul 23, 2019 16:12
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Sir Lemming posted:They need to do way instain queen> who asimsilate thier babbys, becuse these babby cant resist? It was on the news this mroing a brog in ar who had assimlatr three kids, and they fall back too lady to rest. not again ; the lien msut be draw here
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Sir Lemming posted:They need to do way instain queen> who asimsilate thier babbys, becuse these babby cant resist? It was on the news this mroing a brog in ar who had assimlatr three kids, and they fall back too lady to rest. not again ; the lien msut be draw here 
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Sir Lemming posted:They need to do way instain queen> who asimsilate thier babbys, becuse these babby cant resist? It was on the news this mroing a brog in ar who had assimlatr three kids, and they fall back too lady to rest. not again ; the lien msut be draw here 
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If I were Borg I'd be like "What about just a little bit farther" and Picard would be like "Ok fine just this once"
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Brawnfire posted:God drat, they thought about the Borg so, so little. If there's one thing the Borg needs, it's every single thing about them to be explained to the audience. Leave no stone unturned. The more we see and the more we know about every detail the better.
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Jul 23, 2019 17:44
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I'd like to see Guinan again but for that. Somehow they managed to resist ever explaining anything about her, and I don't trust them to bring her back while being content to continue not explaining what her deal is.
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Jul 23, 2019 17:48
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skasion posted:How is babby borged needs an aborgtion
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Jul 23, 2019 17:52
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Eiba posted:Picard show actually looks like it could own. Plenty to nitpick if you're so inclined, and they could totally drop the ball still, but the trailer, in contrast to every Discovery trailer, actually inspires hope. That's amazing. It mostly sucks and there is no reason at all you should watch all of it. Find a list of good episodes maybe and knock em out on saturday
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corn in the bible posted:Find a list of good episodes maybe and knock em out on saturday
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Grand Fromage posted:I'd like to see Guinan again but for that. Somehow they managed to resist ever explaining anything about her, and I don't trust them to bring her back while being content to continue not explaining what her deal is. It was not good when they brought her back for Generations. She's great, but she kind of deflates the tension of the show. As long as this lady who knows the future is still hanging around, you know you're not in too much trouble. But let me pitch this: "Captian, the Borg cube piloted by Romulans is bearing down on us ... and, what's this? Guinan has stolen a shuttle and left without a word." Oh, now poo poo's gotten real.
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skasion posted:The most interesting thing about Eye of the Needle is a throwaway moment near the end. The Romulan guy says he could tell Starfleet not to send Voyager out after the Maquis so they would never get stranded. Chakotay is like “no, that would gently caress up the timelines of the Delta Quadrant people we’ve already met”. Nobody says anything further about this, but just think about it from his point of view: if Voyager never got sent after Chakotay in the first place, he and the other Maquis guys would just get retroactively stuck in the DQ by themselves. To be fair, Chakotay and friends would have just used the Caretaker thing and gone home because they weren't sanctimonious idiots
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Guinan doesn't know the future. You know DS9 had a guinan played by Prince Humperdinck? He opened a bar competing with Quark's, motorboated a dabo girl, and got scammed out of his money.
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corn in the bible posted:It mostly sucks and there is no reason at all you should watch all of it. Find a list of good episodes maybe and knock em out on saturday A skip list might be easier than a watch list if you want to see the ones that have at least some merit. Like, for sure skip all the ones that are 100% recycled TNG plots with no interesting angle to them and don't even have any worthwhile crew interactions.
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corn in the bible posted:To be fair, Chakotay and friends would have just used the Caretaker thing and gone home because they weren't sanctimonious idiots Was it ever explained why Voyager couldn't just use a time-delayed detonation to blow up the Array after they'd sent themselves home?
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Was it ever explained why Voyager couldn't just use a time-delayed detonation to blow up the Array after they'd sent themselves home? The would be no way to verify it from the other end. If it failed or was stopped you'd basically be handing a nuclear bomb to whatever fool next stumbled upon it.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Was it ever explained why Voyager couldn't just use a time-delayed detonation to blow up the Array after they'd sent themselves home?
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They should have used the array to send the Kazon to the Gamma quadrant and let the founders worry about them. They wouldn't last 5 minutes.
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Thine Own Self was interesting because the dramatic irony of the radioactive metal added an extra stake to the proceedings.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Was it ever explained why Voyager couldn't just use a time-delayed detonation to blow up the Array after they'd sent themselves home?
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