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The Mash
Feb 17, 2007

You have to say I can open my presents
"Do I believe in climate change? Politically, no. Physically, yeah, probably"

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porfiria
Dec 10, 2008

by Modern Video Games
In every way but physical, I am a climate change denier.

Avirosb
Nov 21, 2016

Everyone makes pisstakes

porfiria posted:

In every way but physical, I am a climate change denier.

[barks at rising sea level]

Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

Avirosb posted:

[barks at rising sea level]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY-HOYTz-rs

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

https://mobile.twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1157004825491623937

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

:votegop:

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

that's weird, delaney or hickenlooper or one of those other centrist shills assured me that a public option would kill rural hospitals

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface
When the civil war 2.0 happens we wont realize it because the rural racists will keel over dead before they reach a city.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Al! posted:

that's weird, delaney or hickenlooper or one of those other centrist shills assured me that a public option would kill rural hospitals

Wait, what big brain logic are they using for that claim?

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
logic? politicians can just claim that anything they don't like will cause anything they want. it's not like anyone will call them on it.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Mr Interweb posted:

Wait, what big brain logic are they using for that claim?

because then they wouldn't be able to set their own prices for services because they'd be going by the medicare schedule

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
which is the whole loving problem with healthcare in the us in the first place

armchairyoda
Sep 17, 2008
Melman
loving. MOOCHES.
https://twitter.com/dmataconis/status/1157013835934502912

lol, lookit all these welfare queens!

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug

Al! posted:

that's weird, delaney or hickenlooper or one of those other centrist shills assured me that a public option would kill rural hospitals

The best part of Delaney's arguments about Healthcare was "many people love their private health insurance, we shouldn't take that away from them!"

Like dude people love their health insurance because it has good coverage and doesn't cost them much money, nobody is emotionally attached to loving Aetna or whatever lmao.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
they are intentionally conflating healthcare with health insurance

the insurance companies all started doing that a decade ago, trying to call themselves "healthcare providers" and poo poo

Zeno-25
Dec 5, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I'm sure these God-fearing rural real Americans can bootstrap themselves right out of their predicament

Thoughts and prayers, keep voting Republican

Zeno-25 has issued a correction as of 02:33 on Aug 2, 2019

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

Telsa Cola posted:

When the civil war 2.0 happens we wont realize it because the rural racists will keel over dead before they reach a city.

Eh, a lot of those rural racists are just confused suburbers who think they're rural.

Arc Light
Sep 26, 2013



Zeno-25 posted:

I'm sure these God-fearing rural real Americans can bootstrap themselves right out of their predicament

Thoughts and prayers, keep voting Republican

With enough welfare subsidies, they'll survive.

Freaking Crumbum
Apr 17, 2003

Too fuck to drunk



it was probably a year or two ago, but there was an article posted about some research that was done that considered an annual cohort of med-school grads from across a variety of different schools, and observed to which cities / areas they were most frequently settling in after their initial rounds were complete and they could begin residency.

something like 70% of the respondents refused offers of higher salary / better perks from hospitals is highly conservative areas. they were voluntarily taking pay-cuts to instead work on the coasts, or (in the case of texas) a city like austin that's a well-known outlier relative to the standard state political scene.

when asked why they were turning down all that money (sometimes as much as a $250k/yr difference) a lot of the new doctors responded something along the lines of "i don't want to raise my eventual children in a state that includes a school curriculum that denies evolution in favor of jesus dinosaurs and abstinence only education".

basically these highly educated people, that are specifically trained to help save the lives of others, cannot even be compelled by money to move to regressive cities / states. this has some pretty serious implications for the future lifespans of people in those areas, as their current doctors will eventually retire / die, and very few new grads are even willing to set foot in their cities. essentially, the only new doctors that were willing to move into regressive areas were doctors that were either natives of a given place, or else natives of a similar location. anybody with any sense is their heads is correctly deciding "no loving way do i want to spend my life around these god awful fucks"

anyway the good news is, if there is another civil war it's extremely likely the conservative team will very quickly suffer massive casualties from what should be otherwise minor injuries / illnesses, because there's not going to be anybody around to actually provide medical care for them.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
I somehow missed this, but remember last week when Trump went after Ilhan Omar and other Democratic women of color? Well, the NYT sent its reporters out to cover the reaction to that shocking development, interviewing...white voters in rural Michigan diners. ("These Michigan Voters Show How Trumps Go Back Attack May Help Him").

Trump goes full Nazi and the NYT responds with Cletus Safari #837. Unbelievable.

MunchE
Sep 7, 2000

Freaking Crumbum posted:

it was probably a year or two ago, but there was an article posted about some research that was done that considered an annual cohort of med-school grads from across a variety of different schools, and observed to which cities / areas they were most frequently settling in after their initial rounds were complete and they could begin residency.

something like 70% of the respondents refused offers of higher salary / better perks from hospitals is highly conservative areas. they were voluntarily taking pay-cuts to instead work on the coasts, or (in the case of texas) a city like austin that's a well-known outlier relative to the standard state political scene.

when asked why they were turning down all that money (sometimes as much as a $250k/yr difference) a lot of the new doctors responded something along the lines of "i don't want to raise my eventual children in a state that includes a school curriculum that denies evolution in favor of jesus dinosaurs and abstinence only education".

basically these highly educated people, that are specifically trained to help save the lives of others, cannot even be compelled by money to move to regressive cities / states. this has some pretty serious implications for the future lifespans of people in those areas, as their current doctors will eventually retire / die, and very few new grads are even willing to set foot in their cities. essentially, the only new doctors that were willing to move into regressive areas were doctors that were either natives of a given place, or else natives of a similar location. anybody with any sense is their heads is correctly deciding "no loving way do i want to spend my life around these god awful fucks"

anyway the good news is, if there is another civil war it's extremely likely the conservative team will very quickly suffer massive casualties from what should be otherwise minor injuries / illnesses, because there's not going to be anybody around to actually provide medical care for them.

I mean, cost of living alone means anyone in any industry has a compelling reason to leave places like CA.

But I personally accept that cost to not have to live with the people of Arizona

ChipNDip
Sep 6, 2010

How many deaths are prevented by an executive order that prevents big box stores from selling seeds, furniture, and paint?
^^^^
Unfortunately, CoL is now based purely on how nice a place is to live instead of how good its economy is.

Freaking Crumbum posted:

when asked why they were turning down all that money (sometimes as much as a $250k/yr difference) a lot of the new doctors responded something along the lines of "i don't want to raise my eventual children in a state that includes a school curriculum that denies evolution in favor of jesus dinosaurs and abstinence only education".

Plus what's the point of making $500k a year when there's nowhere to spend the money? It might be fine for an oil field or a mine where you know you're gonna get in and get out, but people who spent a decade in school plus residency generally want to practice longer than that.

Argas posted:

Eh, a lot of those rural racists are just confused suburbers who think they're rural.

The census bureau vastly overestimates the amount of people who live in an "urban" area

ChipNDip has issued a correction as of 17:45 on Aug 2, 2019

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


a lot of rural MDs are from the ME ironically. Shame they can't get visas anymore.

Quiet Feet
Dec 14, 2009

THE HELL IS WITH THIS ASS!?





Submarine Sandpaper posted:

a lot of rural MDs are from the ME ironically. Shame they can't get visas anymore.

Trump's ban on migrants from Middle Earth has been the biggest silent crisis of his presidency.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


Quiet Feet posted:

Trump's ban on migrants from Middle Earth has been the biggest silent crisis of his presidency.

are we mordor :stare:

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
No we are Numenor

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

ChipNDip posted:

^^^^
Unfortunately, CoL is now based purely on how nice a place is to live instead of how good its economy is.


Plus what's the point of making $500k a year when there's nowhere to spend the money? It might be fine for an oil field or a mine where you know you're gonna get in and get out, but people who spent a decade in school plus residency generally want to practice longer than that.


The census bureau vastly overestimates the amount of people who live in an "urban" area

the amount of money you'd have to pay me to live in a rural area would require weekend flights to the nearest major city so i could do something other than sit around wanting to blow my brains out because there's nothing to do

this of course being extremely wasteful and horrible for the environment

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Mexico will build the wall, not to keep Mexicans out, but to keep Americans in

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

FMguru posted:

I somehow missed this, but remember last week when Trump went after Ilhan Omar and other Democratic women of color? Well, the NYT sent its reporters out to cover the reaction to that shocking development, interviewing...white voters in rural Michigan diners. ("These Michigan Voters Show How Trumps Go Back Attack May Help Him").

Trump goes full Nazi and the NYT responds with Cletus Safari #837. Unbelievable.

I have zero trouble believing that in any context NYT writers will seek out racist old rednecks to give a salt-of-the-earth veneer to saying the things NYT writers all believe

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Shipon posted:

the amount of money you'd have to pay me to live in a rural area would require weekend flights to the nearest major city so i could do something other than sit around wanting to blow my brains out because there's nothing to do

this of course being extremely wasteful and horrible for the environment

also that whole "why would i want to be a doctor in a state that's going hard on outlawing abortion" thing. over half of all people entering med school are women now btw

to say nothing of the intolerance of those places for the nonwhite, nonstraight, and non-christian. people with options just don't wanna put down roots in places like that. it's almost entirely people from there returning to practice in only family medicine (diabetes)

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Submarine Sandpaper posted:

a lot of rural MDs are from the ME ironically. Shame they can't get visas anymore.
Trump is a committed follower of Maoism-Third Worldism, and has heroically put a stop to the Middle Eastern brain drain that the imperialists on both sides of the aisle have been pursuing for decades.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

I have zero trouble believing that in any context NYT writers will seek out racist old rednecks to give a salt-of-the-earth veneer to saying the things NYT writers all believe
That article was almost certainly greenlit by NYT editor Jordan Weisman, who was responsible for this recent epic turd



Austin isn't really in Texas, Minneapolis and Detroit aren't really in the Midwest, and John Lewis isn't really from the South.

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

my brother in law is hyped to go to his first trump rally. he got on a motorcycle accident last summer and spent 3 months in the hospital getting put back together. he owes millions in hospital bills now and hasn't put 2 and 2 together on that

he is only working 4 hours a day because he is still in rough physical shape and spends the rest of his days watching shapiro and poo poo and making his lib mom furious (lives at home, natch)

i tried to reason with him as he's young but i gotta write him off now. goddammit

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

No, because Sauron did nothing wrong.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



FMguru posted:

I somehow missed this, but remember last week when Trump went after Ilhan Omar and other Democratic women of color? Well, the NYT sent its reporters out to cover the reaction to that shocking development, interviewing...white voters in rural Michigan diners. ("These Michigan Voters Show How Trump’s ‘Go Back’ Attack May Help Him").

Trump goes full Nazi and the NYT responds with Cletus Safari #837. Unbelievable.

They're literally gleeful collaborators and have been always lol, NYT is trash and should be expropriated and it's capital leased to socialists

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


BiggerBoat posted:

My ex wife - we were married for 10 years - dated a black guy before she met me and her old man wound up crying in a fetal position in the bathroom when he learned about it.
:hmbol:

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

Eat This Glob posted:

my brother in law is hyped to go to his first trump rally. he got on a motorcycle accident last summer and spent 3 months in the hospital getting put back together. he owes millions in hospital bills now and hasn't put 2 and 2 together on that

he is only working 4 hours a day because he is still in rough physical shape and spends the rest of his days watching shapiro and poo poo and making his lib mom furious (lives at home, natch)

i tried to reason with him as he's young but i gotta write him off now. goddammit

lmfao

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

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Eat This Glob posted:

my brother in law is hyped to go to his first trump rally. he got on a motorcycle accident last summer and spent 3 months in the hospital getting put back together. he owes millions in hospital bills now and hasn't put 2 and 2 together on that

he is only working 4 hours a day because he is still in rough physical shape and spends the rest of his days watching shapiro and poo poo and making his lib mom furious (lives at home, natch)

i tried to reason with him as he's young but i gotta write him off now. goddammit

Beat him up

TontoCorazon
Aug 18, 2007



Yeah, its probably super easy.

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oliwan
Jul 20, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
Daycare is free here in Berlin, and the state guarantees your kid a place :)

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