UKMT August 2019 - we (UK) should simply invade Ireland peacefully

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XMNN: Apr 26, 2008; I am incredibly stupid

I've been reading a lot less than I'd like since I started walking so much but I just got the Sherlock Holmes audio book read by history's greatest monster and it's pretty good

didn't even have to give Jeff bezos any money (it's like £70 but you can get it with a free trial??)

turns out Holmes is an extremely coked up racist, who knew

e: 32 is the number of counties there'll be in the free state by this time next year

XMNN fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Aug 4, 2019

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Azza Bamboo: Apr 7, 2018; THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

So Holmes is a typical Tory then?

Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Aug 4, 2019

# ? Aug 4, 2019 00:27

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Holmes is how Tories see themselves.

Moriarty is how the rest of the world sees them.

Lestrade is how Corbyn sees them.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 00:37

happyhippy: Feb 21, 2005; Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup; Pillbug

Best takedown of Sherlock Holmes I read was from Terry Pratchett's Vimes.
Saying that logical deductions don't mean poo poo, a Lord painting his rooms or gardening can be deduced to be a poor rear end hobo from his looks.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 00:39

WhatEvil: Jun 6, 2004; Can't get no luck.

So y'all are talking about dry socialist texts, and have previously been talking about podcasts.

I've been talking about a creating a youtube channel of my own for a while where I read leftist books and break them down into poo poo people can understand.

I've signed up a youtube and patreon account and everything. Haven't actually made any content yet, but still think I might get to it eventually.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 01:04

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"
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Rarity posted:

To be fair the problem here isn't so much 'Mark Fisher never wrote the next book' as 'Mark Fisher died before completing the next book'

Fisher published at least one more book after Capitalist Realism, but unfortunately it's entirely about 90's UK jungle and how much he doesn't rate Gary Oldman.

fake edit: be sure to watch out for how many Sherlock villains have dark secrets from their past in the colonies it's all of them.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 01:25

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Whatevil, I think that would be pretty valuable. A lot of the best socialist texts are either written in 1900s 'god I love subclauses' english, or Ronya-level academic impenetrability.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 01:26

Unkempt: May 24, 2003; ...perfect spiral, scientists are still figuring it out...

josh04 posted:

fake edit: be sure to watch out for how many Sherlock villains have dark secrets from their past in the colonies it's all of them.

Not the banker who takes up begging on the streets instead because those people make so much money guys, seriously.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 01:30

Tarnop: Nov 25, 2013; Pull me out

WhatEvil posted:

So y'all are talking about dry socialist texts, and have previously been talking about podcasts.

I've been talking about a creating a youtube channel of my own for a while where I read leftist books and break them down into poo poo people can understand.

I've signed up a youtube and patreon account and everything. Haven't actually made any content yet, but still think I might get to it eventually.

Yes please! I'll even give you money once I get a job

# ? Aug 4, 2019 01:41

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

XMNN posted:

I've been reading a lot less than I'd like since I started walking so much but I just got the Sherlock Holmes audio book read by history's greatest monster and it's pretty good

didn't even have to give Jeff bezos any money (it's like £70 but you can get it with a free trial??)

turns out Holmes is an extremely coked up racist, who knew

e: 32 is the number of counties there'll be in the free state by this time next year

There was a lot of casual, unconscious racism in books written around that time. Early Agatha Christie novels written in the 1920s also have a casual acceptance of white British superiority evident in the dialogue and some dialogue that is unacceptable these days (especially around descriptions of Jewish people and use of the word 'dago' which also crops up quite frequently.).

This is an interesting article: https://africasacountry.com/2014/03/whitehistorymonth-sherlock-holmes-a-racist

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Aug 4, 2019

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Julio Cruz: May 19, 2006

The Sign of Four is seriously problematic to read nowadays.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 01:51

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

The depiction of the pygmy in the first story should be a huge red flag in terms of Conan Doyle's racism. I mean probably not as bad as the average person of his time but still objectively bad.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 01:56

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"
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Unkempt posted:

Not the banker who takes up begging on the streets instead because those people make so much money guys, seriously.

That guy did nothing wrong though, we have to let him go.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 02:00

Trin Tragula: Apr 22, 2005

happyhippy posted:

Best takedown of Sherlock Holmes I read was from Terry Pratchett's Vimes.
Saying that logical deductions don't mean poo poo, a Lord painting his rooms or gardening can be deduced to be a poor rear end hobo from his looks.

Doyle himself recognised this, it wasn't a new observation when Pratchett made it:

quote:

How Watson Learned the Trick

Watson had been watching his companion intently ever since he had sat down to the breakfast table. Holmes happened to look up and catch his eye.

"Well, Watson, what are you thinking about?" he asked.

"About you."

"Me?"

"Yes, Holmes. I was thinking how superficial are these tricks of yours, and how wonderful it is that the public should continue to show interest in them."

"I quite agree," said Holmes. "In fact, I have a recollection that I have myself made a similar remark."

"Your methods," said Watson severely, "are really easily acquired."

"No doubt," Holmes answered with a smile. "Perhaps you will yourself give an example of this method of reasoning."

"With pleasure," said Watson. "I am able to say that you were greatly preoccupied when you got up this morning."

"Excellent!" said Holmes. "How could you possibly know that?"

"Because you are usually a very tidy man and yet you have forgotten to shave."

"Dear me! How very clever!" said Holmes. "I had no idea, Watson, that you were so apt a pupil. Has your eagle eye detected anything more?"

"Yes, Holmes. You have a client named Barlow, and you have not been successful with his case."

"Dear me, how could you know that?"

"I saw the name outside his envelope. When you opened it you gave a groan and thrust it into your pocket with a frown on your face."

"Admirable! You are indeed observant. Any other points?"

"I fear, Holmes, that you have taken to financial speculation."

"How could you tell that, Watson?"

"You opened the paper, turned to the financial page, and gave a loud exclamation of interest."

"Well, that is very clever of you, Watson. Any more?"

"Yes, Holmes, you have put on your black coat, instead of your dressing gown, which proves that your are expecting some important visitor at once."

"Anything more?"

"I have no doubt that I could find other points, Holmes, but I only give you these few, in order to show you that there are other people in the world who can be as clever as you."

"And some not so clever," said Holmes. "I admit that they are few, but I am afraid, my dear Watson, that I must count you among them."

"What do you mean, Holmes?"

"Well, my dear fellow, I fear your deductions have not been so happy as I should have wished."

"You mean that I was mistaken."

"Just a little that way, I fear. Let us take the points in their order: I did not shave because I have sent my razor to be sharpened. I put on my coat because I have, worse luck, an early meeting with my dentist. His name is Barlow, and the letter was to confirm the appointment. The cricket page is beside the financial one, and I turned to it to find if Surrey was holding its own against Kent. But go on, Watson, go on! It 's a very superficial trick, and no doubt you will soon acquire it."

# ? Aug 4, 2019 02:11

Gort: Aug 18, 2003; Good day what ho cup of tea

Aaron Bastani any good?

# ? Aug 4, 2019 02:12

Comrade Fakename: Feb 13, 2012

It didn�t start off being called �And Then There Were None�, after all.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 02:13

Scikar: Nov 20, 2005; 5? Seriously?

Gort posted:

Aaron Bastani any good?

He can be, but he's too antagonistic to change anyone's mind. Whereas Owen Jones will happily discuss with FBPEs and centrists on their own terms, they all hate him anyway. So Bastani just doesn't bother. It might be deliberate to drive clicks though.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 02:34

Z the IVth: Jan 28, 2009; The trouble with your "expendable machines"; Fun Shoe

Steve2911 posted:

They give you the tiniest little tube imaginable too. Good luck not getting poo poo on the label.

The newer tubes come with a little spatula attached to the lid. :science:

# ? Aug 4, 2019 02:35

WhatEvil: Jun 6, 2004; Can't get no luck.

Gort posted:

Aaron Bastani any good?

He's alright. I think there was a thing a while back about him not caring about rape, or something?

Ash Sarkar who's also with Novara media is very good though.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 03:05

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

I should really be asleep but had a late coffee and have been up all night arguing with bigots

Enjoy the bleating of a terf getting their rightful wtf from their job, helpfully including all the evidence the university should need to sack them:

https://twitter.com/jonnnybest/status/1157367005785350146

PST fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Aug 4, 2019

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Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

The best Holmes imo is in Elementary, because;

A) He has extremely good observation but they tend to be plausible becasue they're the most likely explanation for something, not just "This bloke's got a hat on, therefore he's the Boston Strangler" but more like "Only two models of car have both this tire track and use the oil formulation that has leaked here so that's what we're looking for".
B) The bulk of what they do is actually sifting through mountains of evidence looking for clues, links, and connections, and pretty much every episode has at least one scene (And typically a breakthrough) there they've got boxes and boxes of documents to go through.
C) Watson becomes very capable as well over the course of the series, and like Holmes, it's shown that this happens because she works incredibly hard at it. Holmes has gifts that make it easier for him but he's also constantly talking about books he read something in, or folios he's studies, or the like. Meanwhile a couple of other characters slowly improve as well, thanks to spending time with them and learning some tricks and insights, but because they don't study intensely they never get to Holmes and Watson's level.
D) The fact that he's a drug addict is a central part of the show and it's shown over and over that actually, being a smackhead is pretty atrocious for his work. He attends meetings. He tries weird gimmicks because he thinks he's too clever for meetings, and gets told off and proven wrong. I've heard it's praised for being a fairly realistic depitction of recovering from addiction, which I couldn't comment on myself, but it passes the smell test at least.
E) I forgot E but I definitely had one

Point is show is on CBS and yeah it's pro-cop shite but aside from that it's actually really good

Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Aug 4, 2019

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Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

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:stonk:

# ? Aug 4, 2019 06:29

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

Rarity posted:

https://twitter.com/billyboy14/status/1157693890687852545

Sometimes it horrifies me how far builders in this country will go to convert the most obtuse Victorian mansion rooms into living spaces and bathrooms

Like Lovecraft levels of �thing that was not meant to be�

# ? Aug 4, 2019 06:37

Angrymog: Jan 30, 2012; Really Madcats

Jose posted:

My dad asked my mam to marry because it made sense for tax reasons and they've been happily married for 30 years

My parents got married when we lived in India because it was easier for us all to have the same surname ,and at the time they were intending to live there forever.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 06:44

Paul.Power: Feb 7, 2009; The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

Pochoclo posted:

Sometimes it horrifies me how far builders in this country will go to convert the most obtuse Victorian mansion rooms into living spaces and bathrooms

Like Lovecraft levels of “thing that was not meant to be”

Thanks to the Terrible Real Estate Agents Photos blog, I have learnt that there are a scary number of toilets in kitchens out there.

Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Aug 4, 2019

# ? Aug 4, 2019 07:30

VideoGames: Aug 18, 2003

Ms Adequate posted:

The best Holmes imo is in Elementary

I completely agree with all of this. Elementary is easily my most favourite rendition of Sherlock Holmes and it is all due to the way they approach the legend in all the ways you have said.

I also love that Holmes grows and changes over the course of the show in a very believable way. And that Moriarty is not the be end and all of every criminal like other adaptations.

Not to mention Johnny Lee Miller is an absolute fish and truly fantastic actor and Lucy Lu is a sensational Watson with her own striking character development. 😁

Goodness I am such a fan and halfway through season 5. Not long to go before I manage to finish it all off!

# ? Aug 4, 2019 07:33

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Morning UKMT!

https://twitter.com/A_C_McGregor/status/1157770804656033793

# ? Aug 4, 2019 08:23

Renaissance Robot: Oct 10, 2010; Bite my furry metal ass

Azza Bamboo posted:

I don't mean over my head like it's not meant for men. I mean over my head like I'm not academically inclined and I don't really have a great model or history of gender politics in my skull nor a great educational background to give me the the tools I'd need to acquire that. I'm very intimidated when I start to poke into something that turns out to require a lot of knowledge not to mess up, because I don't read an awful lot of books and I guess it's starting to show. Even socialism scares me because I know that it won't be long before people are pulling out names I won't even try to read.

For example I asked another thread for the most basic book they know that gives a breakdown of trans issues. I bought it and within ten pages I'm already at "this is a lot of big words for one sentence. What does this even mean?" This is a book that was described as "trans 101" and it may as well be a doctoral thesis when viewed through my eyes. I don't ask for things to be explained to me any more for two reasons. 1. It's not fair to burden the people who know this stuff or even who live this stuff with having to dumb it down for dipshits. 2. I don't feel like I have much hope of absorbing the theory of these issues anyway. It's why my approach is "what do I do?" not "what's the theory behind this?"

Congrats Azza, this already puts you way ahead of most other dipshits.

My recommendation is lurk the heck out of whatever feminist discussion threads we have here; you'll pick up a lot about what's acceptable just by seeing which idiots get banned :v:

Regarde Aduck posted:

As well as the fact that they think they've above the average citizen so who cares if they just shoot their dog. Lucky they don't shoot them... oh wait.

It's extremely telling that even in shows like Brooklyn 99 where all the main cast are paragons of virtue the script still has them pull poo poo like constantly calling non-police "just civilians". Every time it gives me flashbacks to the classroom scene of starship troopers, but with my imagination adding in a big flashing sign saying :siren:

THIS IS WHAT POLICE ACTUALLY BELIEVE :siren:

# ? Aug 4, 2019 08:57

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1157922509649563648?s=19

# ? Aug 4, 2019 08:57

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Lmao. Click in

https://twitter.com/_PaulMonaghan/status/1157389965606772736?s=19

# ? Aug 4, 2019 08:59

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1157924640083316736

They really are just directly copying the Republicans at this point, aren't they?

# ? Aug 4, 2019 09:08

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/UE/status/1157903366338568192?s=19

# ? Aug 4, 2019 09:12

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

It's the massive total of 36 twitter accounts so obviously needs an article. Includes someone expelled from labour and of course the only comment is someone criticising labour

https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1157896893147549696?s=19

# ? Aug 4, 2019 09:22

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1157759156755062784?s=19

# ? Aug 4, 2019 09:38

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Morning UKMT!

https://twitter.com/A_C_McGregor/status/1157770804656033793

lol this guy blocked me for calling Nick Clegg a oval office.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 09:45

Firos: Apr 30, 2007; Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism

Gonzo McFee posted:

lol this guy blocked me for calling Nick Clegg a oval office.

He blocks everyone for besmirching the good name of the lib dems with things like "propped up a tory government" and "would do it again".

# ? Aug 4, 2019 09:47

Paul.Power: Feb 7, 2009; The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

Free to air coverage of cricket would be very nice, but I'm not sure how it's supposed to save the Union.

# ? Aug 4, 2019 09:48

Bardeh: Dec 2, 2004; Fun Shoe

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1157759156755062784?s=19

lmao they really do love their flegs, eh?

E: america's had another mass shooting even after the Walmart one, :wtf:

Bardeh fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Aug 4, 2019

# ? Aug 4, 2019 09:48

Renaissance Robot: Oct 10, 2010; Bite my furry metal ass

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1157759156755062784?s=19

Just like the blue passport shite, you can already do this!

You only need the EU country code if you're taking your car to Europe; otherwise you can tack on whatever poo poo you like in there, be it a tiny UK fleg or a George Cross or a Welsh Dragon or a pixelated rendition of my dick and balls

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1157897843102892032?s=19

# ? Aug 4, 2019 09:51

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