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Diet Crack posted:Is Clearing fun? Yes OP its great (My wife has handled the university side of clearing before and actually its complete madness for a few days every year. Plus you get people calling to ask about getting onto your course that wants like AAB and asking if their CDD grades will suffice. No my duder I am afraid they will not, dehumanise and face to Burger King) Edit: 106 - the number of years it has been since I sat my A Levels
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^^ Yeah they will, i'd be very surprised any non oxbridge university turning down money for any course without strict limitations. I'm in work for 5:45AM tomorrow, assuming everything goes well leaving about 5PM Beyond the long hours it's pretty ok, most of our busy time has been the prep before it (systems tests, preparing in case of blackout, late stage bug fixes)
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I got into my uni because I asked nicely. Which certainly suggests that the system is not fit for purpose lol.
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I have STEM degrees falling out of my ears -and am perpetually studying something or other so a relative asked me to 'tell' her daughter she 'must' go to uni. I said I can't possibly do that. She doesn't have a burning desire to study a particular subject at any advanced level, she has no burning need to gain a professional / vocational qualification and the prospect of £00,000s of debt. If she eventually decides she wants to then that's up to her and she can do it then. (At least in the UK we still have the possibility to study as a mature student. Not true of all countries.) I chose my highly theoretical degree subject (against some parental opposition I have to say!) and I also have a degree (and a couple of postgrad thingies) in a professional subject which involves some technical skill (say HND level if that still exists) and a bunch of irrelevant management and other courses thrown on to make it into an unnecessary degree. The only benefit of the degree was to get myself Chartered Thingy Doer professional qualification. A former boyfriend was a nurse who was totally against the idea of having to do a B.N. on the same grounds. (He had qualified before it was a requirement). You have the technical bit and a bunch of useless other courses thrown on top to turn it into a degree, meanwhile not meeting any real patients at all during the first couple of years of 'training'. (Some of this might have changed in the last 20 years!) At school I would have arguments with other girls in the sixth form over the relative worth of various subjects. Some doing the very academic subjects were disparaging about those studying the more practical subjects. I would always argue that after the apocalypse (nuclear in those days) who would you rather have in your gang - someone who understood the finer points of a piece of literature, or someone who knew how to make clothes, prepare food or knock up shelters? TL:DR despite my own academic background I think the push to degreeize everything is wrong. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Aug 14, 2019 |
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Niric posted:Banks fans itt I need your help/honest opinions. Because the Culture novels come up not infrequently in the thread (and because I enjoyed The Wasp Factory and some M. Banks short stories when I read them years ago) I figured I'd give Consider Phlebas a shot. And after about 3/4s of the way through it's....ok, I guess? Given the love the series gets I feel like I'm missing something. Is it worth persevering with, or is it more likely just not my thing if I'm kinda cool on the first one? Consider Phlebas is a nothing book - It's not offensively bad or anything it's just a pretty straightforward spaceship book. The war that is featured in Consider Phlebas is referenced throughout the rest of the Culture series and it's much more interesting to hear about it from those references than from reading the actual book about it. Player of Games isn't much better, it's pretty much another bog standard space drama but with some extra interesting bits that hint at where the series is going and how much better its going to get. Use of Weapons, the third Culture book, is the first one that really digs into the Culture in a meaningful and interesting way and it's the perfect primer for understanding the Culture before further books in the series delve deeper into particular aspects. It also helps that the story contained in Use of Weapons is fantastic - as a stand-alone book it's the best in the series and a great read even if the Culture stuff doesn't interest you.
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It doesn't help that every university expanded massively since the Tories removed the centrally numbers cap in 2012 (free market in education! every student who wants to go can!) and student numbers were slightly rising. Now they are falling due to population effects, and unis are desperate to get enough students to pay for the loans on all the fancy new buildings and such will waive them through the door. Student experience? Making sure people are ready for levels of study? Out the door. Just make courses easier!
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Diet Crack posted:Is Clearing fun? That depends. Are you in the Highlands and Islands, or are you in Edinburgh?
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Failed Imagineer posted:Seems bad, even by the usual mystical standards of the global financial markets We’re already in a recession. The economy shrunk last quarter and anyone who thinks that it will bounce back this one is an idiot - I doubt many want to invest their business in a country careening towards disaster. Two quarters with negative growth is officially a recession.
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OwlFancier posted:I'd be quite surprised if EDL wankers would get along with Germaine Greer types. TERFs are one of the prime sources of recruitment for the alt-right
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I agree that pushing people towards degrees just fuels the business cycle and doesn't help. Yes some degrees are useful, but most are not. I'm sorry if you fell into the same trap of doing an arts degree like I did, you have my sympathies. Going back to Trades: Does the UK have any sort of program in 6th form or equivalent, that utilises apprenticeship programs for the transition into a full technical college/engineering degree or masters? Australia had a pretty drat good system, at least in WA, where from year 10 onward to year 12, you could elect to do non-TEE (Tertiary Entrance Examinations, the main exams in Western Australia). This would typically focus more on manual courses, but still diverse enough to understand more about different avenues you could possibly go down. For example, one of my friends from the school days elected to do so, and studied metalworking, design drawing and ended up doing his boilermaker apprenticeship during year 12. He now lives in a massive log cabin in Canada after making Greg Norman's massive gently caress-off yacht working for Austal ships, and now works for a massive engineering firm making six figures.  It's a similar story or close to with more modest results for the majority of the people I know who went through that program. And to think that they often got "bullied" or mocked for not doing exams and going to Uni....
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There should be a scheme partially funded by taxation for every 18 year old to spend 3 years dossing and trying out new sports, hobbies and vocational training in a city away from their parents. University without necessarily studying. It did me a world of good and changed me entirely as a person, and therefore everyone should do it 
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Kassad posted:I wasn't aware "predicted grades" were a thing in the UK before reading this. Jesus Christ. Guavanaut posted:The 'equality of opportunity'/'equality of outcome' is the dumbest poo poo, because: OwlFancier posted:Maybe I want to discourage the formation of engineers. I mean, obviously people will see things through the lens of their expertise, but at least having to deal with the perspective of people who are just a little different from yourself might open them up to the possibility that they don't have the full picture. I suppose it helps too that architectural engineering actually needs quite a lot of cooperation with non-STEM people, so the field has natural protection against going completely off the deep end. In conclusion, just force engineers of any type to interact with non-STEM people, as part of their studies, and when they get released into the wilds. Make it a natural part of their experience to include other professions, like anthropologists and sociologists, in their work. A lot of STEMlordism is probably also based on the professions getting hailed as saviors of humanity or whatever, which having someone say "Yeah, but maybe listen to these people before you reinvent buses?" would help alleviate somewhat.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I have STEM degrees falling out of my ears -and am perpetually studying something or other so a relative asked me to 'tell' her daughter she 'must' go to uni. I said I can't possibly do that. She doesn't have a burning desire to study a particular subject at any advanced level, she has no burning need to gain a professional / vocational qualification and the prospect of £00,000s of debt. If she eventually decides she wants to then that's up to her and she can do it then. (At least in the UK we still have the possibility to study as a mature student. Not true of all countries.) I agree with you, speaking as another academic, but many of these issues are due to the commercialisation and managerialisation of HE institutions. On one hand, a lot of frustrating admin has been taken out of researchers' hands (or so I hear from older colleagues), but on the other, a whole bureaucratic class of parasites has inserted itself into the very marrow of HE and, if anything, imposed a poo poo-ton more admin and standards and courses and gently caress knows what else, I ignore all my HR emails.
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thespaceinvader posted:Because University is where all the people your age doing the same thing are and taking out loans to go on a 4 year bender is a lot less wholesome when you do it on your own. Edit: also holy poo poo at people getting a place based on predicted grades. What the gently caress? Small Strange Bird fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Aug 14, 2019 |
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the old man who stopped the nazi shooter in norway kicked the poo poo out of the nazi https://twitter.com/mollycrabapple/status/1160940463744069632?s=20
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Flayer posted:Start with Use of Weapons. Cheers. I don't really read scifi unless it's ~~literary fiction~~ (I know, I know, get thee to the wall...), so a better story and digging into the thought experiment constructing a society stuff sounds way more my jam than decent-but-bog-standard space opera
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Jose posted:the old man who stopped the nazi shooter in norway kicked the poo poo out of the nazi Someone commented that it looks like the virgin mass shooter vs the chad granddad and it absolutely does.
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Jose posted:the old man who stopped the nazi shooter in norway kicked the poo poo out of the nazi hahaha he proper hosed him up,  Grandad
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I'd love to go back to university, I suspect I could probably guilt trip my LEA into giving me another crack at it under the guise of "You misdiagnosed me again you fuckers, give me phd money."
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Diet Crack posted:Is Clearing fun? Some people enjoy CBT I’ve yet to meet anyone who finds any fun in clearing.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:A lot of STEMlordism is probably also based on the professions getting hailed as saviors of humanity or whatever, which having someone say "Yeah, but maybe listen to these people before you reinvent buses?" would help alleviate somewhat. Best idea is the Roman general whisperer, but for STEMlords. Just have someone following them round all day on a Segway saying "you, too, are an idiot" so they don't get ideas above their station
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANpi_SV_ABY
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CGI Stardust posted:Best idea is the Roman general whisperer, but for STEMlords. Just have someone following them round all day on a Segway saying "you, too, are an idiot" so they don't get ideas above their station
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CGI Stardust posted:Best idea is the Roman general whisperer, but for STEMlords. Just have someone following them round all day on a Segway saying "you, too, are an idiot" so they don't get ideas above their station Memento Moron.
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The perfect stream of fire at face level makes it looks like precision slapstick comedy. gently caress that guy and gently caress his medium-rare fash face.
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I've just had a letter asking me for money to pay off an energy bill from a house I haven't lived in for nearly 5 years. The bill relates to a period after I'd moved out. I told Co-Op (who the debt was with) to gently caress off with it years ago, and since then every now and then I get a letter from a different collection agency. The amount is steadily increasing but whatever. Is there a way I can get them to actually poo poo off and leave me alone, or do I have to just keep ignoring it for a while longer until they get bored or hit some kind of time limit? e: I've just checked back through some emails and the actual original bill was £51. They're now asking me for over £1300 
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Guavanaut posted:More like a great day to Owns Jose posted:the old man who stopped the nazi shooter in norway kicked the poo poo out of the nazi Owns
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sebzilla posted:I've just had a letter asking me for money to pay off an energy bill from a house I haven't lived in for nearly 5 years. The bill relates to a period after I'd moved out. I told Co-Op (who the debt was with) to gently caress off with it years ago, and since then every now and then I get a letter from a different collection agency. The amount is steadily increasing but whatever. I wouldn't leave it: contact co-op again and make a complaint, providing a scan of the letter along with some kind of proof that you weren't in the address for the period of the bill demand. This might be a bit of a shitter to source if it's from 5 years ago unfortunately, but ideally it would be another utility bill or similar. If that doesn't resolve it, escalate to the Energy Ombudsman: https://www.ombudsman-services.org/sectors/energy
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sebzilla posted:I've just had a letter asking me for money to pay off an energy bill from a house I haven't lived in for nearly 5 years. The bill relates to a period after I'd moved out. I told Co-Op (who the debt was with) to gently caress off with it years ago, and since then every now and then I get a letter from a different collection agency. The amount is steadily increasing but whatever. You could try and get them to write off the debt by supplying them with all the relevant evidence that the debt isn't yours, but if you're looking for the "least effort" approach, just bin them. They can't do anything except take you to court and lol @ that
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Diet Crack posted:
Nope! University is pretty straightforward: you do your A-levels (or possibly some fancy equivalent), then go through UCAS to pick a number of possible university choices. Simple! FURTHER education by contrast is an utterly incoherent mess of literally thousands of courses, schemes and apprenticeships, ranging from the excellent (rare) to the dire (common) and with very little help for baffled teenagers to pick their way through it all. At base, further education is seen as an inferior option for other people's children and there's no noisy middle class lobby agitating to simplify and improve it. There are individual schemes that deliver what you mentioned but good luck getting on them unless you're exceptionally driven and sharp-elbowed.
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CGI Stardust posted:Best idea is the Roman general whisperer, but for STEMlords. Just have someone following them round all day on a Segway saying "you, too, are an idiot" so they don't get ideas above their station No doubt people with a technical education and knowledge of the real world are a terrible plague in America and perhaps China. But this is the UKMT; the last time a British person was ever put in charge of anything based on their knowledge of what they are talking about was probably some frigate captain in the napoleonic wars.
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OwlFancier posted:I would imagine that maintenence for the bike is much cheaper than the car? Not necessarily. Things are crammed into wierd places, and you generally have to start with removing all the fairing.
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Angrymog posted:Not necessarily. Things are crammed into wierd places, and you generally have to start with removing all the fairing. Yeah but how many tyres and brake pads and whatever do you tend to need versus a car? Also lots of a car is underneath the car.
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