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Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

You can't have a black captain! That's not Star Trek!

As for the Vulcans I imagine part of why they didn't dig into the Vulcans much is that Spock got so heavily mythologized that there was a perceived risk that they'd alienate the core fans if they went particularly deep into the culture.

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# ? May 14, 2024 00:43

skasion: Feb 13, 2012; Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

They did dig into the Vulcans a lot (almost constantly actually) on Enterprise, and pretty much nobody liked it.

# ? Aug 14, 2019 00:59

Kanine: Aug 5, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

so how come if there was an episode about all the humanoid species having a common ancestor, they just like, never ever mentioned that ever again in star trek

shouldnt that have been the single most important discovery in galactic history

# ? Aug 14, 2019 01:27

Big Mean Jerk: Jan 27, 2009; Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Kanine posted:

so how come if there was an episode about all the humanoid species having a common ancestor, they just like, never ever mentioned that ever again in star trek

shouldnt that have been the single most important discovery in galactic history

Just like the �warp drive is ruining the galaxy� episode

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Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Just like the �warp drive is ruining the galaxy� episode

# ? Aug 14, 2019 01:53

FuturePastNow: May 19, 2014

Zurui posted:

One of the little things the effects team did right is when the Odyssey exploded:

Almost immediately after the Jem'Hadar ship impacts the neck, there's an explosion on the lower decks - right where the antimatter containment pods are. It's likely something you'd not notice unless you're a supernerd like me but hey, here we are.

Looks like the deflector explodes. If the Enterprise-E's deflector was charged with antiprotons, the Odyssey's probably was, too.

The antimatter storage pods failing and exploding are what destroyed the ship several seconds after the collision.

# ? Aug 14, 2019 01:53

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

Kanine posted:

so how come if there was an episode about all the humanoid species having a common ancestor, they just like, never ever mentioned that ever again in star trek

shouldnt that have been the single most important discovery in galactic history

The We Hate Movies's Nexus Feed they watched Who Mourns for Adonais? and had a funny bit about Picard just randomly bringing up, "Isn't it crazy how Greek mythology is true!"

# ? Aug 14, 2019 02:15

Roadie: Jun 30, 2013

bull3964 posted:

SDTV. Most of the detailing on the 6ft really wasn't visible on the TVs at the time so they exaggerated it.

This is something it's easy to forget about these days. Pretty much all US TV broadcast pre-2005 or so was expected to only be seen in SD.

The Bloop posted:

I have no idea what the numbers look like but hopefully What We Left Behind does well enough to convince someone important that there's enough interest

I ended up not watching that because of the prominent blue goatee.

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MikeJF: Dec 20, 2003

bull3964 posted:

SDTV. Most of the detailing on the 6ft really wasn't visible on the TVs at the time so they exaggerated it.

No reason for the really lovely curves on the deflector and nacelle pylons though. That was just the in-house model team being unable to replicate the quality of the ILM team that built the six-footer. (Well, to be fair they had a ridiculously small amount of time to make the four footer as well)

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Aug 14, 2019

# ? Aug 14, 2019 02:25

The Bloop: Jul 5, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

Roadie posted:

I ended up not watching that because of the prominent blue goatee.

I enjoyed it in spite of that, no thanks to that

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

seaQuest DSV already has a BluRay release!

4K Brisco County Jr plz

# ? Aug 14, 2019 03:03

Astroman: Apr 8, 2001

Payndz posted:

From having just looked into the background of the CBS/Viacom thing:

� CBS creates a subsidiary, Viacom
� Viacom is spun off into an independent company
� Viacom buys CBS (by buying its parent company)
� Viacom renames itself CBS, and creates a new company called, er, Viacom. (Both own Star Trek, but aren't allowed to play nice with each other, even though they're owned by the same parent company)
� CBS and Viacom merge again to become ViacomCBS

Seems a hell of a long-winded way to end up back where you started. Still, I'm sure some shareholders and executives and lawyers became extremely rich out of the whole process.

One might even say it's been a long road, to get there from here. :smug:

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jeeves: May 27, 2001; Deranged Psychopathic
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Astroman posted:

One might even say it's been a long road, to get there from here.

A long road paved with money

# ? Aug 14, 2019 03:11

Winifred Madgers: Feb 12, 2002

The Bloop posted:

Look, no one here is opposed to B5, SeaQuest, and Sliders going HD along with DS9.

Maybe so, but they're insufficiently not-opposed to it.

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Blade_of_tyshalle: Jul 12, 2009; If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

The Bloop posted:

4K Brisco County Jr plz

4k VIPER and MANTIS, plz

# ? Aug 14, 2019 03:22

Powered Descent: Jul 13, 2008; We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

4k VIPER and MANTIS, plz

4K Max Headroom

# ? Aug 14, 2019 03:32

The Bloop: Jul 5, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

4k VIPER and MANTIS, plz

Would watch again

3k Time Traxx is probably good enough

# ? Aug 14, 2019 03:44

Sir Lemming: Jan 27, 2009; It's a piece of JUNK!

MikeJF posted:

A heckin' chonker

Oh lawd he comin

Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Aug 14, 2019

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Zurui: Apr 20, 2005; Even now...

FuturePastNow posted:

Looks like the deflector explodes. If the Enterprise-E's deflector was charged with antiprotons, the Odyssey's probably was, too.

The antimatter storage pods failing and exploding are what destroyed the ship several seconds after the collision.

This is the content I am subscribed for. :golfclap:

# ? Aug 14, 2019 03:58

Blade_of_tyshalle: Jul 12, 2009; If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

The Bloop posted:

3k Time Traxx is probably good enough

Mm, like maybe .48k, tbh

# ? Aug 14, 2019 03:58

Big Mean Jerk: Jan 27, 2009; Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Pinterest Mom posted:

Voyager doesn�t count, and even TNG quietly dropped the issue after a handful of episodes.

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Hipster_Doofus: Dec 20, 2003; Lovin' every minute of it.

jeeves posted:

Instead we got Ten-Forward... which has always been right under Picards quarters??? That always seemed weird to me.

Where were Ro & co (lol) when she gonna shoot the disembodied prisoners in ten forward with polarized positrons with a phase variance of 0.shittytreknobabble, or whateverthefuck, and one of them steps out of the target zone at the very last moment?

Hipster_Doofus fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Aug 14, 2019

# ? Aug 14, 2019 05:17

Powered Descent: Jul 13, 2008; We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Voyager doesn�t count, and even TNG quietly dropped the issue after a handful of episodes.

The showrunners' original intention was that Voyager's nacelles were bendy to make them environmentally friendly, but in seven years they never actually got around to mentioning it in the show so it's not actually canon.

# ? Aug 14, 2019 05:27

Hipster_Doofus: Dec 20, 2003; Lovin' every minute of it.

Powered Descent posted:

The showrunners' original intention was that Voyager's nacelles were bendy to make them environmentally friendly, but in seven years they never actually got around to mentioning it in the show so it's not actually canon.

How many times has something non-canon been so widely believed that it was actually made canon in some wink wink nod nod way? I know there's gotta be at least two or three dozen cases of this.

# ? Aug 14, 2019 06:47

Small Strange Bird: Sep 22, 2006; Merci, chaton!

Hipster_Doofus posted:

Wanna see Space: 1999 in hd.

You're in luck! (It was made on 35mm film.)

# ? Aug 14, 2019 07:28

Astroman: Apr 8, 2001

https://deadline.com/2019/08/star-trek-universe-cbs-viacom-merger-franchise-united-1202667413/

quote:

As CBS All Access heads towards launching the much hyped Star Trek: Picard next year, the Trekverse may now be poised for an intensified expansion. Already in the pipeline are multiple animated series, more short films, and a Michelle Yeoh-led Discovery spinoff, and at Comic-Con International the Trek braintrust was openly hinting about the possibilities of a Mr Spock series starring Ethan Peck (grandson of Gregory Peck).

# ? Aug 14, 2019 07:36

Powered Descent: Jul 13, 2008; We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

jeeves posted:

Instead we got Ten-Forward... which has always been right under Picards quarters??? That always seemed weird to me.

I just remembered a bit of Voyager-chitecture: the mess hall was directly beneath the bridge. And right under that was the Captain's quarters, which appears to be bigger than the entire mess hall.

# ? Aug 14, 2019 07:48

Big Mean Jerk: Jan 27, 2009; Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Cancel Lower Decks and Section 31, give me Pike�s Enterprise and Captain Nog _{_{(but keep Ira out of the writer�s room)}}.

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HorseLord: Aug 26, 2014

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

If I remember right the concept was that the plasma leaked and basically engulfed a bunch of corridors in fire, or something like that.

As for vulnerable, I mean hell, the Ent-D takes a hit to the nacelle and that somehow winds up detonating the reactor core. Or otherwise gets beat up enough that the reactor starts melting down or something and explodes. Meanwhile in TWOK the ship takes a direct hit to the conduit running from the reactor to the nacelles and successfully SCRAMs.

(this is all ridiculous anyway because turning off the reactor should be as simple as turning off the fuel injectors)

As for retirement, I figured the ship was crew-intensive and/or maintenance-intensive, and squeezed out on both ends; for big heavy cruiser tasks the Excelsiors were coming online, and the Mirandas and Constellations can pick up the routine tasks that don't need a boatload of different specialists and a high-strung reactor core along for the ride.

The Galaxy's vulnerability was weird because it comes from a period where trek technology was properly solidified, we know how these ships work and the technobabble used the correct words. Yet as soon as the writers need the ship to blow up, suddenly a damaged m/ara can runaway and ingest the entire ship's antimatter supply at once in a huge explosion.

Just in general the way engineering is actually depicted on screen in TNG sucks rear end. Everything is sealed off except for the lavalamp in the middle of a tiny carpeted room, and every repair is done by telling your ipad to do it. It's a shame Scotty's guest appearance wasn't in the episode where geordi and data were test firing that fake rifle next to the reactor. He would've burst through a side door wearing one of those big white radiation suits and ripped them a new rear end in a top hat.

That's what I really liked about the shatner movies. You understood that keeping a starship going was dangerous and backbreaking. You got to see the chaos and terror on the lower decks in battle.

# ? Aug 14, 2019 08:00

Nessus: Dec 22, 2003; After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!

I expect part of why the Odyssey ate poo poo so hard was that the Jem'hadar had figured out its weaknesses and exploited them decisively, which was cool, I guess, but I suspect somehow that the Galaxies got adjusted so that wouldn't be so easy to do again.

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HorseLord: Aug 26, 2014

I'm not sure how ramming a deflector dish is supposed to work. I mean, you're driving head first into a gigantic, incredibly powerful shield emitter that can knock rocks out of the way hundreds of thousands of miles in advance. Wouldn't you get deflected too?

They should've kept the TMP thing where the dish glowed different colours depending on how much power it was pumping out.

# ? Aug 14, 2019 08:31

Zurui: Apr 20, 2005; Even now...

The deflector dish is designed to push miniscule interstellar particles aside at superluminal velocities, not protect from ramming. I imagine once they'd seen the tactic the Feds started routinely establishing a targeting lock for the tractor beam on any Dominion vessel. It's the sort of thing that would only work once.

# ? Aug 14, 2019 09:06

Big Mean Jerk: Jan 27, 2009; Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

They also weren�t attacking head-on, they came up from below and slammed into the side of it.

Also, isn�t the deflector primarily for pushing debris out of the way during warp? You figure the normal shields would be able to handle that kind of thing at sublight speeds.

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Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Big Mean Jerk posted:

They also weren�t attacking head-on, they came up from below and slammed into the side of it.

Also, isn�t the deflector primarily for pushing debris out of the way during warp? You figure the normal shields would be able to handle that kind of thing at sublight speeds.

When Voyages was airing I wanted to see an episode where the deflector dish glitched our in warp and a piece of space dish tore a hole through the ship. Culprit determined to be too many years of loving around with the deflector and so the next time anyone suggests remodulating the deflector dish to technobabble the thingy they just get stared down.

Powered Descent posted:

I just remembered a bit of Voyager-chitecture: the mess hall was directly beneath the bridge. And right under that was the Captain's quarters, which appears to be bigger than the entire mess hall.

Shame the effects were difficult, I would have loved more shots from those sets where you could see the parts of the ship exterior you should be able to see from inside.

# ? Aug 14, 2019 10:32

HorseLord: Aug 26, 2014

Zurui posted:

The deflector dish is designed to push miniscule interstellar particles aside at superluminal velocities, not protect from ramming. I imagine once they'd seen the tactic the Feds started routinely establishing a targeting lock for the tractor beam on any Dominion vessel. It's the sort of thing that would only work once.

The reason that you need a nav deflector is because you'd hit those tiny particles with such force they'd do catastrophic damage from the incredibly high amount of energy involved. Remember Newton? Equal and opposite reaction? You need an incredible amount of power to overcome and then knock those particles out of the way. That's not even getting into that the deflector's output will get weaker at a distance as it spreads out, like any kind of energy emission, so you need even more power to counteract that effect when you're crossing solar systems worth of distance in seconds. It can even fire massive visible beams bigger than any shipboard phaser can when it has to.

This is why the navigational deflector is such a huge piece of equipment compared to the nodes that make up the shield system. If you tried to fly a small craft directly at it at a speed as low as what was seen on screen the most the ship would notice was a momentary power draw as you splattered like a fly on a windscreen.

I guess the galaxy class is just a badly designed piece of poo poo and that's why it didn't react that way. It'd make sense, what with the deathtrap warp core eject in TNG, and why it's successor dropped all the cruise liner nonsense.

Senor Tron posted:

When Voyages was airing I wanted to see an episode where the deflector dish glitched our in warp and a piece of space dish tore a hole through the ship. Culprit determined to be too many years of loving around with the deflector and so the next time anyone suggests remodulating the deflector dish to technobabble the thingy they just get stared down.

Annoyingly voyager has two dishes. They made everything redundant so as to make the show as reset buttony as possible

HorseLord fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Aug 14, 2019

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PerniciousKnid: Sep 13, 2006

skasion posted:

They did dig into the Vulcans a lot (almost constantly actually) on Enterprise, and pretty much nobody liked it.

The Vulcans were introduced as being a race that already completed their character arc, of course nobody wants stories about them.

# ? Aug 14, 2019 13:36

John Wick of Dogs: Mar 4, 2017; A real hellraiser

Captain Keogh was an absolute badass. His entire ship just continuously exploding all around him and he's still barking out orders.

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Thom12255: Feb 23, 2013; WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MONEY

Powered Descent posted:

I just remembered a bit of Voyager-chitecture: the mess hall was directly beneath the bridge. And right under that was the Captain's quarters, which appears to be bigger than the entire mess hall.

What is the purpose of the exposed metal on Voyager?

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