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Time_pants posted:What are these percentages? What do they even indicate? I would assume that they reflect completion, but how do you quantify being 2% "more done" with something? And if so, why on Earth are some of those percentages going down?? So, say some team is working on Sanitation v1 by adding dynamic mop/bucket gameplay, brooms and dustpans, and passive dust accumulation. They're about half done so the roadmap says 50%. One day, Chris Roberts Kramers into the room and proclaims that Sanitation v1 will now include not just the things listed above but also high-fidelity wet/dry hovervacs, a street sweeper ship you can pre-order for $800, and NPC janitors who twirl their brooms around like extras in the Simpsons garbageman episode. Sandi and Erin appear and bundle him off, and the team sighs and changes their progress from 50% to 12%. And that's how you get a Star Citizen.
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I made fun of star citizen in 2014 with my pathological vigor. AMA
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I hope these people keep pursuing their dreams forever. Be happy star citizens. Do so by buying spaceships.
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and by spaceships I mean jpgs, pngs, and videos of ships doing things that might take years to realize. But don't worry, it's only an alpha, these things take time and really are totally worth it commandos. I have faith in you. signed the faithless o7
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just kidding I will totally buy into the game again in 2022 to 2026 or whenever it comes out. For $40, probably.
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Don't know what is best about this: a guy with 88 in his username using the phrase"virtue signalling" thus confirming his status as a chud, or the fact that the phrase appears to have now devolved to mean "anything that another person does that I don't like".
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colonelwest posted:Yep caves will be an amazingly complex game in and of themselves and packed with gameplay just like the procedural planets that they'll be part of. Like Minecraft, except without any of the fun.
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Blue On Blue posted:I dont like this man Do you, perhaps, like green eggs and ham?
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Dogeh posted:Sorry, thread is not complete until MoMA makes a reappearance. MoMA is the tiny mouse building a whole new world
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Time_pants posted:Okay. I've been following this stupid thread and even more stupider game since 2014 and it has made me hate myself in a lot of ways I didn't even know I could. So with the news that we might be shuttering SCAM in the very near future, I wanted to say that, even though I wasn't sure about it when I first started following this thread five years ago, I can say now with absolute certainty that we do, in fact, live in hell and God has abandoned us. Star Citizen is the best and worst of all of us (almost entirely the worst). All of my friends think I am mentally ill for following this non-game disaster that a very, very small number of people genuinely care about or believe will ever exist and most people have never heard of. They are right and it has been very fun. It's simply based on this: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/roadmap/board/2-Squadron-42 which is arguably as hard to read. No one outside of CIG really knows what nonsense like "FPS: Realistic Firing v2" means and I suspect CIG barely knows, either. As to the percentages, I think that's just based on the number of tasks CIG claim do be finished with for a particular item and sometimes they add more tasks for that item, making the percentage go down. It's... stimperical? Dogeh posted:So like civet cat beans? It would have been more bearable if it had been Panda Ecological Tea.
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This is end times for Star citizen. There are too many signs. Reducing subscriber revenue, backer exhaustion wiith diminishing pods to harvest, developer frustrations, clearly internal finger pointing at the top. Not to mention the mind numbing stroke producing level of technical debt. The only choice they have is to try and convince everyone that quarterly delivery for the next 15 years is an acceptable way to do business. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some high profile exits from cig soon. It's over.
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BigMouthSingers posted:It's over. Not until p6666 it isnt
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:Percentages going down means one of two things: 1) something was more complicated than they thought and they need to do more things to make it work: 2) the scope widened and they are further away from being done than before because of the new poo poo that was added. Thank you. This explanation makes sense. Thank you for providing a real-world example for reference, as well. It really made the material come alive for me. Seriously thank you, though. These things made no sense to me for the longest time. Guess that's because I don't understand game development.
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BigMouthSingers posted:This is end times for Star citizen. There are too many signs. Reducing subscriber revenue, backer exhaustion wiith diminishing pods to harvest, developer frustrations, clearly internal finger pointing at the top. Not to mention the mind numbing stroke producing level of technical debt. The only choice they have is to try and convince everyone that quarterly delivery for the next 15 years is an acceptable way to do business. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some high profile exits from cig soon. This dumpster fire has plenty of fuel left for years, whale Citizens are dumb 
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:Percentages going down means one of two things: 1) something was more complicated than they thought and they need to do more things to make it work: 2) the scope widened and they are further away from being done than before because of the new poo poo that was added. 
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funny thing, on the arg cast Bootcha was saying he did more research on the the car rental thing and it appeared to have been started by ds. researching it the best guess Bootcha could come up with for the real situation was that CR was down and out but still had his car from the WC days. he was using the services of a car dealer to lease it out so he at least has some income. then Bootcha thinks CR lost the car to the dealer somehow, perhaps being tricked into or giving them the title by mistake.
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stinch posted:Bootcha thinks CR lost the car to the dealer somehow, perhaps being tricked into or giving them the title by mistake. Maybe he forgot that if you use someone's services, you kind of have to pay for them or certain parts of the service contract will kick in…
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BigMouthSingers posted:This is end times for Star citizen. There are too many signs. Reducing subscriber revenue, backer exhaustion wiith diminishing pods to harvest, developer frustrations, clearly internal finger pointing at the top. Not to mention the mind numbing stroke producing level of technical debt. The only choice they have is to try and convince everyone that quarterly delivery for the next 15 years is an acceptable way to do business. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some high profile exits from cig soon. Huh oh unfortunately no. Don't forget the con is coming. Backer trust renewed for another year. Money flowing in. Many Idris' bought.
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Time_pants posted:Thank you. This explanation makes sense. Thank you for providing a real-world example for reference, as well. It really made the material come alive for me. It's even more hilarious when you think it causes fake progress. Let me give you a simple example. Q2: * feature A: 30% * feature B: 70% Overall progress: 50% Q3: * feature C: 10% * feature D: 0% Overall progress: 5% Now in good CIG's fashion, you push feature A from Q2 to Q3: Q2: * feature B: 70% Overall progress: 70% Q3: * feature A: 30% * feature C: 10% * feature D: 0% Overall progress: 13% And voila ! +20% in Q2 and +8% in Q3, just for delaying a feature. Magic magic. If you wondered why quarters in the future ( Q4 2019, Q1/Q2 2020 ) had non-zero progress, that's why. It's not that a part of their team is working on features for future quarters; it's that they suddenly delayed to the future some features that were being worked on. It's pretty easy really: just do some minor progress on the game, delay the major blockers/features ( the one that require the most work ) and only complete the easy ones, and you can maintain that sense of "we're completing stuff every quarter, see ?" that backers are so fond of. It is *insidious* and CIG has been doing that for years in a way or another. Nyast fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Sep 2, 2019 |
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Quavers posted:This dumpster fire has plenty of fuel left for years, whale Citizens are dumb Exactly, Goons here still underestimate the amount of shills, full denial ignorants and sunk cost fallacy jpeg buyers. Be prepared for this shitshow to survive 2020 as well
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Seriously, look at this loving roadmap... Q2 2019... 15 tasks completed ? For 500 people working during 3 months ? Organic shader ? What the completley flying gently caress is this fuckery ? A task for a shader ? You know there are thousands of shaders in your typical game ? They made a TASK out of a SHADER ? What the... "AI Spline Paths v2" ? That's just an iteration on a sub-component of a sub-component. It's not even the final version, mind you. Just v2. How many versions will there be ? 3 ? 4 ? 10 ? 50 ? Nobody knows. But yeah, backers are happy. It is progress ! "Player Free Look". Yep, this is high-complexity engineering requiring millions-of-dollars here guys. And how is this "free look" any different than the currently existing free look ? "Curelife Medical Pen". Imagine the meetings, the hours with teams of dozens, that this insurmontable task must have required. Sorry for meltdown.
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Nyast posted:Seriously, look at this loving roadmap... Q2 2019... There may be 500+ people, but there's only one Chris Roberts.
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Nyast posted:Seriously, look at this loving roadmap... Q2 2019... It is a very specific shader, custom built for one purpose: To make a single pixel blue.
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Slow_Moe posted:It is a very specific shader, custom built for one purpose: To make a single pixel blue. NO, MAKE IT GREEN, YOU IDIOT! YOU'RE FIRED!
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BigMouthSingers posted:This is end times for Star citizen. There are too many signs. Reducing subscriber revenue, backer exhaustion wiith diminishing pods to harvest, developer frustrations, clearly internal finger pointing at the top. Not to mention the mind numbing stroke producing level of technical debt. The only choice they have is to try and convince everyone that quarterly delivery for the next 15 years is an acceptable way to do business. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some high profile exits from cig soon. Nah, crobo can still get a few more years of mileage out of this "enterprise." A citcon "jump gate" demo will def bring back many backers onto the one right path (even if the demo is one time only). There is a reason crobo has been able to pull this off for so long. Even when they run out of money, he can always pull a Shroud of the Avatar.
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Time_pants posted:The first intern in the door each morning takes a dump on the countertop. It's their version of the taxxe. Apparently you didn't get the memo. This practice was stopped after an intern completed the Lesnick challenge the night before.
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BigMouthSingers posted:This is end times for Star citizen. There are too many signs. Reducing subscriber revenue, backer exhaustion wiith diminishing pods to harvest, developer frustrations, clearly internal finger pointing at the top. Not to mention the mind numbing stroke producing level of technical debt. The only choice they have is to try and convince everyone that quarterly delivery for the next 15 years is an acceptable way to do business. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some high profile exits from cig soon. We should do something! Can we just stop spreading FUD for a while? May be even post some good stuff and pretend that we like SC! This way Crobo will be able to gather additional money to postpone the end. I just can't imagine my life without SC-comedy anymore.
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IcarusUpHigh posted:Croberts explaining how he's going to sneakily make his way down and out of the CIG offices when this whole debacle ends Someone photoshop a big butt under his hands please. Perhaps a bear butt to get the backers all randy
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