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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Big Nog tryna get a leg prostheezy
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I didn't mind Vic. But like several other things in DS9, I thought they milked it a bit too much; especially near the end. The Nog PTSD episode, though, was well written and one of Vic's finest hours. So is Vic a sentient being that they murder every time they're done with the program, or did they just hand Nog's care over to the 24th century version of The Algorithm?
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Sep 4, 2019 16:19
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When Vics program isn't running it's equivalent to bin being in stasis, not dead
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Sep 4, 2019 16:21
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:When Vics program isn't running it's equivalent to bin being in stasis, not dead Are you sure?  It's kind of a meaningless distinction anyway because even if they don't usually reset programs regularly, they clearly don't have any moral problem with doing so. When the station is under attack nobody is rushing thousands of holodeck programs to the escape pod.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:38
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Quark probably got a jump drive full of programs in his bug out bag. That'd just be good business sense.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:44
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Yeah, he was designed to never forget anything that anyone else had done with his program in the past, so it would be more like he was being put to sleep and woke back up every time someone ended/started his program. Also, his creator gave him the ability to turn his own program off, and for it not to activate if he didn't want it to, so he probably had a state of semi-consciouness when someone attempted to start his program, but before it actually ran, all of which was prooooooobably pretty drat unprecedented in and of itself. As was his 'knowing he's a holodeck character in a fictional historical simulation running in a holosuite in a non-holodeck Universe and interacting with people he knows aren't holograms who live in said Universe' level of awareness even before his outright sentience (as Trek uses it) later on was pretty heavily hinted at (but DS9 didn't really touch on it too much outside of Nog's episode and the heist episode, because Voyager was the one that went all-in on the holodeck stuff (though I'd argue DS9 did it better, still)).
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Sep 4, 2019 16:45
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PerniciousKnid posted:Are you sure? Vic can turn himself on and off so he’s not even completely in “stasis” when off. This may make things worse.
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Doesn't Vic himself explain his whole situation in one of the episodes? I think he even mentions how much he likes being who he is.
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Sep 4, 2019 17:59
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Kibayasu posted:Vic can turn himself on and off so he’s not even completely in “stasis” when off. Ceiling Vic is watching you masturbate.
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Sash! posted:But, in Star Trek, you get exactly one genius per project every time, often laboring in obscurity held down by The Man. I immediately thought of the Genesis Project as a counterpoint, but in that movie it's really Khan who was in the genius role.
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Sep 4, 2019 18:37
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Hipster_Doofus posted:I immediately thought of the Genesis Project as a counterpoint, but in that movie it's really Khan who was in the genius role. Speaking of genius: She does have her moments though
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Sep 4, 2019 18:39
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God, I love the Romulan aesthetic in TOS. Garish hot pink, orange and green sets, busy patterns, fuchsia half-jackets. Watching "the Enterprise Incident". I wish Netflix wasn't so weirdly effective at blocking the taking of screenshots. Is there an easy trick to get around it?
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Sep 4, 2019 18:53
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davidspackage posted:God, I love the Romulan aesthetic in TOS. Garish hot pink, orange and green sets, busy patterns, fuchsia half-jackets. Doesn't the snipping tool work? I could'be sworn that works. I don't have an active account to test though.
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davidspackage posted:God, I love the Romulan aesthetic in TOS. Garish hot pink, orange and green sets, busy patterns, fuchsia half-jackets.  Linux, I guess? I just did the usual screenshot-an-area command.
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Every time I tried previously, I just got a black screen. Thanks though! The Romulan commander has a miniskirt tunic with thigh-high boots! I want to make a psychedelic as gently caress living room based on this decor.
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davidspackage posted:God, I love the Romulan aesthetic in TOS. Garish hot pink, orange and green sets, busy patterns, fuchsia half-jackets. Print screen with Chrome has always worked for me.
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bull3964 posted:Keep in mind that Foundation Imaging (Seasons 1-3 of B5) went on to do CGI for Voyager (Season 2 onward) and supplemented Digital Muse on DS9 in the later seasons. Whoa it just dawned on me that later b5 and earlier voyager were contemporaries. So b5's relatively crap graphics weren't due to inadequate technology at all. They just didn't have the money (not that I didn't know they were on a tight budget). How much cheaper are lower quality and resolution cgi fx, and why? Just a simple matter of fewer hours being put into it (guess that would also include the actual rendering time)? E: you know what that was a really loving stupid question.  No one need answer it. Hipster_Doofus fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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Sep 4, 2019 19:48
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Whoa it just dawned on me that later b5 and earlier voyager were contemporaries. So b5's relatively crap graphics weren't due to inadequate technology at all. They just didn't have the money (not that I didn't know they were on a tight budget). How much cheaper are lower quality and resolution cgi fx, and why? Just a simple matter of fewer hours being put into it (guess that would also include the actual rendering time)? Kinda contemporary. DS9 and Voyager didn't switch over to near 100% use of CGI until after Sacrifice of Angels which was late 1997. By that point, Babylon 5 had already aired Season 4 and was likely most of the way through production of Season 5. Also, after season 3, the VFX moved in house to Netter Digital which may have had talent and financial constraints. The VFX did improve near the end of Babylon 5 and into Crusade, and were significantly better for the post Babylon 5 movies (even if the stories weren't all that great) but I imaging at the time of season 5 they weren't going to spend a bunch of extra time adding more polygons and updating textures for the models (if the systems in use could even handle the extra load.) One other thing is that DS9 and Voyager had the advantage of having physical hero models to base the CGI models on and that always works out better. The Orville is a recent example of that.
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Netter Digital did a smash-and-grab on Foundation Imaging's staff. The Star Trek contracts kept the company afloat.
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PerniciousKnid posted:So is Vic a sentient being that they murder every time they're done with the program, or did they just hand Nog's care over to the 24th century version of The Algorithm? He's a sentient being, but he has control over when he appears. So he's probably more powerful/advanced than Moriarty.
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Sep 4, 2019 22:26
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davidspackage posted:God, I love the Romulan aesthetic in TOS. Garish hot pink, orange and green sets, busy patterns, fuchsia half-jackets. I actually kind of prefer their TOS look over the weird upholstery with shoulder pads look they have in TNG onwards. Also just watched The Way to Eden, which certainly was an episode. I find it weird that they have these mirror imaged shots of Kirk a couple of times in the episode and it seemed like they added them in as an afterthought. But then again season 3 seems to have a bunch of questionable shots going on in most episodes.
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Sep 4, 2019 22:39
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:He's a sentient being, but he has control over when he appears. So he's probably more powerful/advanced than Moriarty. Whomst among us would not kill for the ability to have other people try and interact with you and just go "nah"
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Sep 4, 2019 22:45
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EvilTaytoMan posted:I actually kind of prefer their TOS look Yes, the Romulan commander's attire should actually stimulate our conversation.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Whomst among us would not kill for the ability to have other people try and interact with you and just go "nah" I can totally do that already. Actually, that's something I liked about early Doctor. He was an unlikable prick. Nobody dealt with him by choice, they just had no one else to go to. So why should he be friendly and kind? No one activating an EMH is really in a position to turn down his minstrations.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:He's a sentient being, but he has control over when he appears. So he's probably more powerful/advanced than Moriarty. Unless he secretly IS Moriarty... 
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Astroman posted:Unless he secretly IS Moriarty...  That would have made for a great twist for "What You Leave Behind".
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Vic's status as a sapient being who is nonetheless programmed for a specific role and cannot transcend that purpose serves as an illustration that the Federation and the Dominion are not so different, as he is essentially analogous to the Vorta and other slave races created to enjoy their servitude. Or, you know, one of the writers was way too into the Rat Pack and never really thought through the implications.
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Sep 5, 2019 04:44
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All of Star Trek takes place on the holodeck of the Enterprise in Moriarty's simulation
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Sep 5, 2019 05:24
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It's just another weird holodeck porno
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Pick posted:It's just another weird holodeck porno that is a good rear end avatar
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Yes, the Romulan commander's attire should actually stimulate our conversation. 
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Yes, the Romulan commander's attire should actually stimulate our conversation. 
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runwiled posted:So I have recently finished all of TNG after not having watched in in something like...15 years? More? I was surprised how many episodes I remembered and would get partway through before recalling how it concluded. I didn't think I'd watched each episode more than once or twice so it's interesting that it left such an impression on me that I recall storylines nearly two decades later. This is the same for me. I never watched TNG. It was just on when I came home from school so I happened to catch it. Yet I can remember pretty much every episode with a bit of mental nudging. By the time DS9 came round I had left school so would have had to have gone out of my way to watch it. Same with Voyager and B5. Sadly, I can say the same about Friends and Fraiser. I never "watched" them, but I've somehow seen every episode and can recall them all.
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Oh yeah. There's tons of terrible sitcoms I watched, not because I liked them, but because I wanted to watch TV and it was the least unlikeable thing that was on. I saw pretty much all of Dharma & Greg this way.
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davidspackage posted:Oh yeah. There's tons of terrible sitcoms I watched, not because I liked them, but because I wanted to watch TV and it was the least unlikeable thing that was on. I saw pretty much all of Dharma & Greg this way. About a decade ago I wanted some noise on in the background that wouldn't bee too engaging while I wrote so that's how I "watched" the entirety of Murder, She Wrote.
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Angry Salami posted:never really thought through the implications. FlamingLiberal posted:All of Star Trek
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I'm watching Reunion, Gowron's first appearance. I loving love Gowron. Shame about K'Ehleyr, she was cool.
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She was the best, and should have become a a regular. She completely makes it clear how much of a weirdo Worf is though, and I guess they didn't wanna explore that.
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Nessus posted:Was this the same colorblind guy who's responsible for the Orion slave girls and the adorable kzinti pink jumpsuits? One of the guys responsible for TAS was definitely color blind, don't know about TOS.
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