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Tesseraction posted:To sum it up, facts matter to people who care about facts mattering, but people who find facts inconvenient will trust their gut over the obvious staring them in the face and slapping them and going JESUS CHRIST MAN THIS IS CHLORINE GAS GET OUT OF THE ROOM while they carry on wanking through the pain. As good a time as any to remind everyone that people literally pushed aside LU workers in order to get into the visibly-burning Kings Cross station. Every single person that died on the escalators, and maybe half the people that died in the ticket hall, literally walked into a burning building.
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AceOfFlames posted:Then what makes me different from the people ITT constantly yelling about guillotines? Maybe that's the true issue: mankind is inherently violent, oppressive and has a group they would like to see destroyed. We just differ on who. You're the one constantly claiming to be different, the rational one. Personally I think you're just a coward who would vote for the first fascist who said they'd kill everyone but you. Which does make you different, just not better.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Very long article (I have only quoted first few paragraphs) and not finished reading yet. Winning support by being anti-imperialist, anti-war, and anti-fascist. Those cunning leftist bastards.
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AceOfFlames posted:Then what makes me different from the people ITT constantly yelling about guillotines? Maybe that's the true issue: mankind is inherently violent, oppressive and has a group they would like to see destroyed. We just differ on who. Yes there's no difference between guillotining those would kill others to make more money and rounding up everyone with emotions and putting them in the gas chambers.
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forkboy84 posted:Blue Labour being very poo poo is one of those rare topics where ronya and I agree. They aren't just bad on the EU, they are racists, straight up. I agree wrt Paul Embrey and the like but I certainly wouldn't lump Dempsey in with them. He may be a lot of things but I do not believe at all that he's a racist.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Very long article (I have only quoted first few paragraphs) and not finished reading yet. Awesome they're actually getting nervous rather than instinctively attacking the left. However please don't treat the wsws as sane or a useful source. ThomasPaine posted:I can't tell if I like Eddie Dempsey or not. I don't agree with him about much to do with Brexit but otherwise he seems pretty on point. Absolutely going for Bercow today tho, maybe justifiably? He is a guy who is extremely comfortable using various anti immigrant and antisemitic terminology even if his wider positions aren't actually based on them. Basically if Chris Williamson pissed you off because the guy just can't learn to communicate better yet keeps talking and dropping all these clangers you should be equally mad at Eddie Dempsey.
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That document would be at home in a documentary about the Red Scare era.
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The red scare was directly in response to fears of a successful socialist resurgence so that would be why.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Can Corbyn table a VONC when Parliament is back and form a government to request an extension, or does the time not allow it? Is it he gets 2 weeks or it takes 2 weeks? Has up to two weeks.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:As good a time as any to remind everyone that people literally pushed aside LU workers in order to get into the visibly-burning Kings Cross station. Every single person that died on the escalators, and maybe half the people that died in the ticket hall, literally walked into a burning building. What's your source on this?
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BizarroAzrael posted:Can Corbyn table a VONC when Parliament is back and form a government to request an extension, or does the time not allow it? Is it he gets 2 weeks or it takes 2 weeks? Time doesn’t allow it because it has to be requested by the 18th iirc. Only option past that point would be an extraordinary meeting of the EU27 which lol. Otherwise revocation but that would be bad for Jeremy Corbyn.
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Tesseraction posted:Has up to two weeks. Okay, so that'll happen, right? Or am I missing something? (I know Libs may Lib, but they'll at least need to own it)
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Darth Walrus posted:You're assuming here that gathering data and prioritising the data you wish to act on is an entirely neutral process. Which, lol. AOF may be the only mentally-ill person alive who could benefit from reading Zizek
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goddamnedtwisto posted:As good a time as any to remind everyone that people literally pushed aside LU workers in order to get into the visibly-burning Kings Cross station. Every single person that died on the escalators, and maybe half the people that died in the ticket hall, literally walked into a burning building. * I am late * I am almost at the tube station * That fire doesn't look like it'll reach me before I step on board if I run * The tube is definitely still operating normally in a station that's literally on fire * 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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AceOfFlames posted:Then what makes me different from the people ITT constantly yelling about guillotines? Maybe that's the true issue: mankind is inherently violent, oppressive and has a group they would like to see destroyed. We just differ on who. Please do not start mucking up this thread again. You had some good regular posts before this after coming back.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:As good a time as any to remind everyone that people literally pushed aside LU workers in order to get into the visibly-burning Kings Cross station. Every single person that died on the escalators, and maybe half the people that died in the ticket hall, literally walked into a burning building. considering the fire was 'about the size of a large cardboard box' until the flashover happened, and considering no-one knew about the trench effect at the time, i'm not completely surprised https://youtu.be/PSmeg-vn6ho?t=31
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BizarroAzrael posted:Can Corbyn table a VONC when Parliament is back and form a government to request an extension, or does the time not allow it? Is it he gets 2 weeks or it takes 2 weeks? Failed Imagineer posted:AOF may be the only mentally-ill person alive who could benefit from reading Zizek StarkingBarfish posted:Who are the 11% of Libdem voters who want BoJo to deliver maximum illegal brexit?
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coffeetable posted:considering the fire was 'about the size of a large cardboard box' until the flashover happened, and considering no-one knew about the trench effect at the time, i'm not completely surprised i mean nowadays a fire about the size of a large cardboard box on the underground would be national news. back then quote:However, smokers often ignored this and lit cigarettes on the escalators on their way out.[24] The inquiry found that the fire was most probably caused by a traveller discarding a burning match that fell down the side of the moving staircase on to the running track of the escalator.[25] The police decided that the fire had not been started deliberately, as there was no evidence that an accelerant had been used and access to the site of the fire was difficult. Investigators found charred wood in eight places on a section of skirting on an escalator and matches in the running track,[26] showing that similar fires had started before but had burnt themselves out without spreading.[27]
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Firos posted:Shut the gently caress up AOF.
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VideoGames posted:Please do not start mucking up this thread again. You had some good regular posts before this after coming back. Ok, sorry. I'm going to take a break. I won't be back for a while. Enjoy your week.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Like someone else said, the Queen's Speech is effectively a VONC, and And that's good right? Try to get the SNP and pissdiamonds on, block it and form a temporary government? And Kier Starmer was reselected, no doubt Momentum chickened out instead of never actually going after him in the first place. https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1171382118955606016?s=19 BizarroAzrael fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Sep 10, 2019 |
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Lol cool https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1171388014519619586?s=19
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Maximum illegal Brexit --> Political chaos --> Yellow wave sweeps Britain Yes but why??? Beyond supposedly wanting to stop (not really if that's the price of becoming a junior coalition partner) hard Brexit, what do the libdems offer except an inability to change literally anything about society? Oh, it seems I answered my own question.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:
*Narrator's Voice:* The yellow wave is piss.
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namesake posted:Awesome they're actually getting nervous rather than instinctively attacking the left. Though that does leave the bind of what can be done about right extremism. As left groups we can make them unwelcome on platforms and tell them to gently caress off, and we can try for governments that aren't liberal or conservative, but does that mean we go full frea speach from a legislative perspective until such a government exists, or is it better to push harder for the loudest right voices (the press) to be held to account while pushing for the State to leave less powerful actors (which includes street fash) alone?
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Guavanaut posted:Any 'anti-extremism' or 'anti-speech' law cooked up by a liberal or conservative government will get used more against the left than the right, just like any policing of private platforms run by capitalists will end up silencing left voices more.  oh snap, i just expressed support for an extremism
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namesake posted:He is a guy who is extremely comfortable using various anti immigrant and antisemitic terminology even if his wider positions aren't actually based on them. Do you have any examples? This is being stated a lot as if it's self evident but I've not really seen any direct quotations. He's certainly very explicitly protectionist and critical of the language around liberal progressive spaces but that doesn't in itself make him a reactionary. I get frustrated at Williamson because he doesn't think before he speaks but I also think his (actual) argument is fair. Unfortunately making it directly undermines the leadership's current strategy so it's ill advised. E: eddie dempsey posted:The one thing that unites [the people who turn out for Tommy Robinson demos] beyond whatever other bigotry that’s going on… is their hatred of the liberal left. And they are right to hate them.” Dempsey reportedly went on to say, “too many in the Labour Party have made a calculation that there’s a certain section at the top end of the working class, in alliance with people, they calculate, from ethnic minorities and liberals, that’s enough to get them into power”. Hmm ok yeah I can see why the last line is not great though given his other statements I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. His overall point wrt the liberal left is fair enough tbh and comparing him to Oswald Mosley like Clive Lewis apparently did is loving ridiculous. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Sep 10, 2019 |
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StarkingBarfish posted:Who are the 11% of Libdem voters who want BoJo to deliver maximum illegal brexit? Maybe they just really want Boris to go directly to jail and not pass go. Because the police are there to protect us, the voters, and not the rich.
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suck my woke dick posted:
So your choices are liberal free speech, which allows the left to say "guillotine the rich" and the right to say "hang the gays" and the left to say "gently caress off you bunch of cunts" or you have restrictions on speech/actions/groups which will always end up coming back on the left under those governments, like them trying to add police and soldiers to the protected groups legislation, or devoting more time to spying on green groups than actual neo-nazis. The only reason that they added National Action to the list of proscribed groups was that an MP got murdered in the street by a fascist. That's the kind of thing that rudely pops any illusion of being in a bubble of independence from ideology, and I'll be completely unsurprised if they stick some left groups on there too 'for balance'. (This is reason #43975 why an actual left government is important.)  The EU is going to be actual fash within a decade.
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ThomasPaine posted:I can't tell if I like Eddie Dempsey or not. I don't agree with him about much to do with Brexit but otherwise he seems pretty on point. Absolutely going for Bercow today tho, maybe justifiably? Dempsey's classic red-brown, he's palling around talking about how the workers are all racists so we need to be too. He's a complete tool, put him in the Hoey bin.
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ThomasPaine posted:Hmm ok yeah I can see why the last line is not great though given his other statements I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. His overall point wrt the liberal left is fair enough tbh and comparing him to Oswald Mosley like Clive Lewis apparently did is loving ridiculous. That same panel he accused someone else of having their' pockets stuffed with Soros cash' because they campaigned with a remain campaign which was partially funded by a Soros funded group. He's an idiot who either doesn't care what he sounds like or knows and is okay with it so he's just not worth defending.
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suck my woke dick posted:BLUT UND BODEN! With Commissioners like that, why would even the Tories want to leave?
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Junior G-man posted:With Commissioners like that, why would even the Tories want to leave? IIRC the actual person is a liberal who used to be Junckers spokesman. It's still a really poo poo rebranding of the portfolio.
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