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Yeah Mika kills people brutally but doesn't even have OYW Amuro's total body count by the end of his series.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Is Mika’s kill count higher than Uso’s? Do we have a new reigning champ of mass murder? Mika doesn't even come close to Amuro.
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Sep 26, 2019 22:22
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My boy’s still king of murder mountain.
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Sep 26, 2019 22:22
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It also depends what you mean by kills. Just enemies shot down or deaths caused. Carriers would massively inflate some numbers. As would accidental or intentional atrocities. (Hi Gato!)
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Sep 26, 2019 22:32
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Yeah, like Mika does engage into fights and whatnot, but he's more like Hei from Darker than Black in that he tries to get the drop on his rivals and finish poo poo up ASAP. Probably the highest on-screen kill count is, what, when he maces the gently caress out of the bridge on Jasley's ship?
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Sep 26, 2019 22:33
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It turns out kill counts massively depend on whether you ca solon kill ships cause that's an easy inflation.
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Sep 26, 2019 23:19
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Didn't Quatre blow up a space colony?
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Sep 26, 2019 23:26
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ImpAtom posted:It also depends what you mean by kills. Just enemies shot down or deaths caused. Carriers would massively inflate some numbers. As would accidental or intentional atrocities. (Hi Gato!) Everyone should just treat Gato like a twerp because he sucks and I hate him a lot
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Sep 26, 2019 23:34
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ImpAtom posted:Not even close. Mike's kill count is probably below most pilots because IBO fights are mostly small scale. I actually tallied things up once. Across both seasons, Mikazuki got somewhere around a hundred and one on screen Mobile Suit kills, depending on how you tally them up. (Also one ship and one Mobile Armor.) It's not anywhere near the peak, but (depending on the source) it's not too far from the average, and might even be above Kira or Duo's total on screen kills. The catch there is that more than a quarter of Mika's kills come from his final rampage. He killed 28 Mobile Suits in that fight. For context, he only took down 33 Mobile Suits in the entire first season. Moving on to the whole overall scores, the best sources I can quickly find (which are still just fans looking at video and guessing as best they can) gives Uso 141 MS kills, which is a lower total than Amuro and (of all people) Trowa, but higher than anyone else, putting Uso at the best single series on screen total. (Guidebooks put Amuro at 142 for the One Year War, for whatever that's worth.)
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Spelling Mitsake posted:Didn't Quatre blow up a space colony? An empty colony, however that works, and a mining satellite.
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Sep 27, 2019 01:14
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chiasaur11 posted:I actually tallied things up once. Across both seasons, Mikazuki got somewhere around a hundred and one on screen Mobile Suit kills, depending on how you tally them up. (Also one ship and one Mobile Armor.) Yeah, but Uso also had that time he destroyed an entire fleet by using the dick cannon.
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Sep 27, 2019 02:33
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The wings on the V2 Gundam were also pretty cool and Uso mowed folks down using it.
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They showed off a couple more armor packs for the Core Gundam, and I think it's gonna end up doing the Age Gundam's gimmick better than the Age Gundam
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chiasaur11 posted:I actually tallied things up once. Across both seasons, Mikazuki got somewhere around a hundred and one on screen Mobile Suit kills, depending on how you tally them up. (Also one ship and one Mobile Armor.) Trowa isn't that surprising: Aside from Quatre, the Gundam Pilots weren't exactly shy about merking people, and of all of them, he probably threw the most ammunition down range and had the suit most adapted to Also, are kills defined as "killed the pilot?" Because that can make Wing's numbers really screwy, and also pretty solidly deflates Kira.
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Gripweed posted:They showed off a couple more armor packs for the Core Gundam, and I think it's gonna end up doing the Age Gundam's gimmick better than the Age Gundam I looked this up and it has a variation called "Veetwo Gundam" which just feels needlessly complex. This is the FAZZ all over again!
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ImpAtom posted:I looked this up and it has a variation called "Veetwo Gundam" which just feels needlessly complex. This is the FAZZ all over again! The expansions that have been named so far are Veetwo, Earthree, and Marsfour
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Sep 27, 2019 03:55
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Kill counts are impressive for Wing pilots considering the 2nd half of the show is just mobile dolls.
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Warmachine posted:
My dumb Wing kill count question is if we can count Dorothy directly controlling the mobile dolls using the Zero system towards the end. She's clearly directly using them to kill folks so I'd be tempted to say yes but she's not actually piloting.
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Sep 27, 2019 04:36
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Warmachine posted:Trowa isn't that surprising: Aside from Quatre, the Gundam Pilots weren't exactly shy about merking people, and of all of them, he probably threw the most ammunition down range and had the suit most adapted to In the list I found it was defined as rendering a suit unable to continue combat. Black Knighting a Mobile Suit would count. (As would blowing up a Mobile Doll) And Trowa was a surprise at the top of the chart because he's a supporting character. It makes sense when you think about it, sure. Wing's five versus the world premise and ample use of stock footage scores a lot of kills for the leads, and Trowa's Gundam is best suited to shots of blowing up crowd, but he's not the first character you'd think of for top Gundam aces.
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Gripweed posted:The expansions that have been named so far are Veetwo, Earthree, and Marsfour Oh I saw. I just am amused that we now have a Veetwo and V2 Gundam.
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chiasaur11 posted:In the list I found it was defined as rendering a suit unable to continue combat. Black Knighting a Mobile Suit would count. (As would blowing up a Mobile Doll)
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Sep 27, 2019 04:51
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ImpAtom posted:Oh I saw. I just am amused that we now have a Veetwo and V2 Gundam. Don't forget Second V!
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Wark Say posted:And now I'm wondering: Which Gundam Ace would be able to last against Maximilian Jenius the longest? If you mean in equal situations? Maybe Amuro. Max being considered "the best of the best" is something that tends to pass over even into crossovers. There's aren't a lot of pilots who get the same sort of 'holy crap' aura to them as he does. Amuro is one of the very few I think gets that level of treatment.
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Sep 27, 2019 04:59
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I want IBO and Seed to show up in SRW together just so that I can see Kira lose his mind at Mika's love of pilot kills. Kill the meat, save the metal 
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Bloody Pom posted:I want IBO and Seed to show up in SRW together just so that I can see Kira lose his mind at Mika's love of pilot kills. I mean Kira's already been alongside the Actual Batshit Getter Folks. Mika at least isn't at the licking-blood-off-a-knife stage of murderdom.
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ImpAtom posted:If you mean in equal situations? Maybe Amuro. Max being considered "the best of the best" is something that tends to pass over even into crossovers. There's aren't a lot of pilots who get the same sort of 'holy crap' aura to them as he does. Amuro is one of the very few I think gets that level of treatment. Yeah, Amuro's the guy who even the insane ace pilots look at and go "Okay, yeah, he's better than me" in Super Robot Wars style crossovers. He's kind of like if Max also had psychic powers. No guarantees either way, but I'd give him a slight edge. The other guy I'd give a real chance would be Domon, because Domon's kung fu is stronger. But that's less raw piloting skill and more because G Gundam is a show where kicking away a sniper's bullets isn't even enough to make you the toughest guy in the episode.
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Wark Say posted:And now I'm wondering: Which Gundam Ace would be able to last against Maximilian Jenius the longest?
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Nessus posted:Cima Garahau, because they'd end up getting married. I'm pretty sure Cima could beat Max in a knife fight.
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Kanos posted:I'm pretty sure Cima could beat Max in a knife fight.
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chiasaur11 posted:In the list I found it was defined as rendering a suit unable to continue combat. Black Knighting a Mobile Suit would count. (As would blowing up a Mobile Doll) I think that's how the military generally defines kills for kill counts during wars like WWII, where they're painted on the side of vehicles; it's not about killing a person, it's about taking away the combat potential of an enemy and rendering them unable to fight. That's mostly done by killing them, but even a huge space station like the Death Star still counts as one kill. Which is something adhered to in Star Wars EU. At least, the older Legends stuff anyway; not sure about the newer canon. Regardless, Wedge Antilles was the only person to have participated in the climax of both Death Star battles, and had two Death Stars painted on the hull of his X-Wing; but they weren't given any size or visual importance over other kill marks. They were just two more kills. chiasaur11 posted:Yeah, Amuro's the guy who even the insane ace pilots look at and go "Okay, yeah, he's better than me" in Super Robot Wars style crossovers. He's kind of like if Max also had psychic powers. No guarantees either way, but I'd give him a slight edge. Not that Amuro isn't a great pilot, but I'd put Max ahead of him personally. Max's entire characterization in SDF is basically "yea, he's amazing at everything but also just a cool guy who wants to help everyone", but because he's a secondary character it never gets overwhelming. He's the one that pioneers using the form changes of the variable fighters mid-combat to evade enemy fire and attack from the most beneficial angle, and he does some insane stuff himself. Including flying a Valkyrie inside the corridors of an enemy ship and fighting in otherwise pitch dark by using the sporadic and sparse light from muzzle fire to sense what's going on around him at the very least. Then in 7 he starts pulling insane poo poo using a starship as it's captain instead of a one man fighter; telling the gunner to fire at empty space when there's no indication of enemy movement and then having it hit an incoming fleet because he was able to predict their arrival among other things. He's not an actual space psychic like Amuro, but he might as well be in terms of the things he does at times. Nessus posted:Cima Garahau, because they'd end up getting married. Why? Max already has a wife he loves, and Cima isn't nearly as cool as her. tsob fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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If you’re gonna have this argument you gotta lay some pretty strict ground rules, because if Max gets to use his Valkyrie he utterly trounces like half of every mobile suit in existence due to having a superior machine (and that’s before accounting for the fact that he’s so attuned with it that he can actually dress it in giant clothes stealthily) while being utterly unable to touch the other half because they’re armored in various types of bullshittium and valk weaponry is decidedly conventional. Gotta use tournament rules in your nerdfights, nerds 
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Psycho Landlord posted:and valk weaponry is decidedly conventional. Not really. Hikaru's VF is shot up by several hits in the second episode of SDF and crashes to the ground from combat that is presumably taking place a mile or higher up at combat speed, using it's engines only at the last second to break his fall a bit, before smashing through at least 3 buildings and it has no almost no damage done beyond what the enemy hits did. Hikaru takes multiple missile blasts right to the chest of his unit in the final battle against Boddol's fleet and the only damage is that the arms are taken off, after which he's able to continue fighting and descend through the atmosphere as another example. Variable fighters don't have a named armor specific to their series that is made a big deal out of in the narrative, but they're very, very durable. Their weapons are pretty bullshit too, using either nuclear missiles and/or anit-matter missiles on occasion along with rail-guns that can penetrate said armor using bullets that can be nuclear and/or anti-matter tipped themselves. That they don't use directed energy weapons doesn't preclude them from being bullshit, because they fight enemies using them from the start and have no real problem against them. If you were going to versus them, then the simplest thing is probably just to put both in identical units that neither are overtly familiar with (presumably something from neither franchise) but are somewhat similar to bothand say they have a bit of time to get used to the units themselves if necessary (though both seem adaptive enough that I doubt they'd need long). I'm not even sure what units would best fit by being kind of like both a mobile suit and a variable fighter, but there's probably something. tsob fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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tsob posted:Why? Max already has a wife he loves, and Cima isn't nearly as cool as her. Obviously
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tsob posted:Not really. Hikaru's VF is shot up by several hits in the second episode of SDF and crashes to the ground from combat that is presumably taking place a mile or higher up at combat speed, using it's engines only at the last second to break his fall a bit, before smashing through at least 3 buildings and it has no almost no damage done beyond what the enemy hits did. Hikaru takes multiple missile blasts right to the chest of his unit in the final battle against Boddol's fleet and the only damage is that the arms are taken off, after which he's able to continue fighting and descend through the atmosphere as another example. Variable fighters don't have a named armor specific to their series that is made a big deal out of in the narrative, but they're very, very durable. Their weapons are pretty bullshit too, using either nuclear missiles and/or anit-matter missiles on occasion along with rail-guns that can penetrate said armor using bullets that can be nuclear and/or anti-matter tipped themselves. That they don't use directed energy weapons doesn't preclude them from being bullshit, because they fight enemies using them from the start and have no real problem against them. Even if we’re just talking VF-1s, they do actually use DEWs - they all have point defense lasers in the head. Later valks went on to have energy weapons in the main armaments. The gunpod was just a 55mm cannon firing depleted uranium AT rounds, which probably won’t pierce an I-Field or gundanium or (insert thing here) The missiles were of a small enough yield to be used inside the macross pretty safely and Reaction weapons being allowed in this fight introduces the GP-02 problem so obviously these are banned from the deathmatch. Also no items, final destination.
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Wark Say posted:And now I'm wondering: Which Gundam Ace would be able to last against Maximilian Jenius the longest? Super Newtype Kai Shiden. 
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Also don't forget that Max canonically has a VF-22, so I doubt he'd be stuck with aging Space War I tech if Amuro gets the Nu Gundam for example.
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Ultimately, the only fair robot to use in a SRW skill tournament would be something that truly translates the skill and will of the pilot into results. So, they'd have to fight using some kind of generic mobile-trace-using Gundam from G-Gundam. Or Armed Slaves maybe?
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Are we at the No items, Fox only portion of the conversation?
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Does Amuro get his unique Ace Bonus? Because Max has never been in a SRW game (IIRC) that has them.
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HitTheTargets posted:Are we at the No items, Fox only portion of the conversation? 
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