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Push El Burrito posted:Hey now, there's also the New York Times. Sure, but the "statements" from Republican leaders like McConnell always seem to find their way onto WaPo's opinion pages.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Why were you only accidentally permabanned. our admin staff for a while was a genocide denier, skeeter from that doug rape comic, and a guy who was desperately trying to keep things running
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NewMars posted:Yeah, having a full quarter of your own infamously lockstep party want you gone is a terrible, terrible indicator. And Dems up to 86% Holy poo poo that's bad for Trump only 60% of Republicans think the request to Ukraine was appropriate
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NewMars posted:Yeah, having a full quarter of your own infamously lockstep party want you gone is a terrible, terrible indicator. I'm sure at least some of that 25% is true believers in the "impeachment will backfire and help Trump" argument.
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Ogmius815 posted:It’s a very common practice for newspapers to publish opinion pieces by foreign officials like this. Happens all the time. There’s no reason to freak out about it once you remember that opinion pieces are not really curated for content in the way you want, and they aren’t meant to reflect the opinion of the publisher or the newspaper staff. It's also very common practice for you to defend fascists. Hopefully, both get banned.
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theflyingorc posted:Wait, that says 28% He had to choose the better figure, which is 25% of lean Republican. Self identified Republicans are at 28%!
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"Impeached and removed" is only at 18% GOP though in that poll. Still significant but still a lot of work to be done
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Flip Yr Wig posted:He had to choose the better figure, which is 25% of lean Republican. Self identified Republicans are at 28%! I think, in light of his past business success, that we should disabuse ourselves of the notion that Donald Trump knows what numbers even are. Surely an intern gave him that number and said it was good.
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At this point he's become toxic enough that it's just going to keep getting worse and I'm starting to have tiny, fragile hopes that he might actually be convicted by the senate. I know, I know, but holy poo poo those numbers are bad. And I can't enjoy any of this because he just stood by and told a dictator to go full genocide on a US ally, probably setting the Middle East back an entire generation and reviving ISIS in full. God drat you, Trump.
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Trabisnikof posted:I won’t hold my breath waiting for WaPo to publish 2 pieces by Kurdish leaders. They did post both these around the same time, for what its worth: Trump’s Syria decision reflects his stunning ignorance of the situation (This was an official "this is the view of the Post" article) https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...fd44_story.html As Trump abandons Syrian Kurds, a top commander pleads for U.S. support (which at least quotes Kurdish leaders extensively) https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/07/trump-abandons-syrian-kurds-top-commander-pleads-us-support/
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Munkeymon posted:My read of the post I was quoting was saying the opposite: that WaPo's Opinion section must be Real Bad because we, here in this thread, keep getting links to bad WaPo Op-Eds. I could be reading that wrong, of course, but it's certainly wrong to assume that their Opinion section is particularly bad based just on what gets linked here because that set will always be biased towards what will piss the thread off. Can you point to any examples from WaPo recently of an Op-Eds that is as good as posting an Op-Ed from the leader of a
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KillHour posted:What the hell happened to the GOP that this poo poo with Turkey isn't causing them to immediately turn on Trump? Are they really hitching their entire party to an isolationist ~20% of the population? It's a whole combination of factors, but the biggest one is that primaries don't reflect reality and a ton of GOP politicians are terrified of Trump's relatively small base. This is why the number of independents and Democrats supporting impeachment doesn't matter too much from the Republican side of the aisle and why the math even gets a little bit fuzzy when it comes to Republican support. There might be enough support for impeachment to cost some random Republican senator their seat, but that doesn't matter if they're going to lose their primary before they ever even face the wrath of Republicans that are pissed off at Trump.
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https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1181978838865207297 Incredibly weak stuff.
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:I think, in light of his past business success, that we should disabuse ourselves of the notion that Donald Trump knows what numbers even are. Surely an intern gave him that number and said it was good. He continually fired internal pollsters that would give him factual data. Then they just began to lie or exaggerate and he hired them on. Trump is in a bubble of his own creation because he hates the idea that people loathe him. Personally I'm waiting for that number of republicans to rise and he blasts them for being "disloyal" which will probably make them rise even more.
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mistaya posted:At this point he's become toxic enough that it's just going to keep getting worse and I'm starting to have tiny, fragile hopes that he might actually be convicted by the senate. I know, I know, but holy poo poo those numbers are bad. But I'm comfortable saying that the odds are no longer effectively 0. It's hard to imagine his handling of this being poorer. He's currently got Lindsey Graham saying he's wrong on Twitter, and nearly everyone is critiquing his decisions RE: Turkey.
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Oct 9, 2019 18:11
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1181978838865207297 Oh no. Don't do that. wait. come back
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1181978838865207297 How courageous.
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Oct 9, 2019 18:12
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1181978838865207297 Translation: Kill as many brown people as you want, we only care about the Christians. To the White House, the only people who count as humans are white people, and to a lesser extent brown Christians.
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Oct 9, 2019 18:12
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weird how these guys sound like gop congressmen. https://twitter.com/HKesvani/status/1181972931074838528
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1181978838865207297 So basically the Hannibal Meme with The White House going "Why would Turkey do this?
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theflyingorc posted:Trump PROBABLY won't be removed by the Senate Yeah to be fair this is exactly where I'm at. Probably not but the odds are no longer 0. What's going to suck is the Kavenaugh effect where it gets this loving close and then fails anyways.
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Paradoxish posted:It's a whole combination of factors, but the biggest one is that primaries don't reflect reality and a ton of GOP politicians are terrified of Trump's relatively small base. A thought: Some Republican candidates are going to try to stay silent until after their primary, at which point they'll jump to being anti-Trump to do better in the general. Part of why the inquiry should last until at least June/July
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theflyingorc posted:A thought: Some Republican candidates are going to try to stay silent until after their primary, at which point they'll jump to being anti-Trump to do better in the general. If the inquiry lasts that long it seriously risks getting drowned out by the primaries and by the short attention span of the public.
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an AOL chatroom posted:So basically the Hannibal Meme with The White House going "Why would Turkey do this? Eric Andre meme*
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"Bad idea" Go gently caress yourself
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NewMars posted:Yeah, having a full quarter of your own infamously lockstep party want you gone is a terrible, terrible indicator. Especially since all the Never-Trumpers self-purged.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Just want to confirm that the 25% does indeed come from polled Republicans in the latest WaPo poll. I highly encourage everyone to read through this entire spreadsheet. It's BAD for Trump.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Eric Andre meme* Hannibal Buress
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GlyphGryph posted:They did post both these around the same time, for what its worth: Oh cool! Guess that solves that then. It's almost like the loving issue has more to do with the profit-driven media incentive to 'both sides' a given topic when one of those sides happens to be 'actually genocide is okay because' e: Here's Nazi propaganda alongside the official™ opinion of this esteemed newspaper that the final solution, is indeed, unacceptable. We report, you decide. Democracy Dies in Darkness, afterall 
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KillHour posted:I highly encourage everyone to read through this entire spreadsheet. It's BAD for Trump. Oh hey they actually reached people on a cell phone quote:This Washington Post-Schar School poll was conducted by telephone Oct. 1-6, 2019 among https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/oct-1-6-2019-washington-post-schar-school-poll/712f999b-b8d1-4c82-a78c-a65edc84dbd0/
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Ogmius815 posted:It’s a very common practice for newspapers to publish opinion pieces by foreign officials like this. Happens all the time. There’s no reason to freak out about it once you remember that opinion pieces are not really curated for content in the way you want, and they aren’t meant to reflect the opinion of the publisher or the newspaper staff. gently caress you, you weirdo. Yes, newspapers are responsible for the content of the “Opinions” section when they give a platform to pure propaganda (this includes US officials). It’s a terrible practice and deserves to be called out. Doing it “all the time” is no excuse for publishing lies without direct analytic annotation.
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the post publishing opinion articles from actual world leaders seems somewhat useful such that you can at least see directly what they're trying to sell and they're putting it under the name of the actual person spouting it giving regular trump sycophants daily columns to spout barely-literate propaganda that tows whatever talking points were most recently released laundered through a regular columnist, on the other hand, there's nothing to be gained there
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1181978838865207297 It's a bad idea but we're getting out of the way and, in fact, we were the ones who announced your plans to invade Syria
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They are doing nothing to turn around the trend of these polls either. Their response for weeks has just been sticking their fingers in their ears and saying nuh-uh, and while that seemed to work ok with the Mueller report it’s not going to move anyone out of the impeach column. On top of that there is a lot of time for things to continue to get worse and Trump is not getting any less unhinged.
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The Super-Id posted:They are doing nothing to turn around the trend of these polls either. Their response for weeks has just been sticking their fingers in their ears and saying nuh-uh, and while that seemed to work ok with the Mueller report it’s not going to move anyone out of the impeach column. On top of that there is a lot of time for things to continue to get worse and Trump is not getting any less unhinged. A huge problem with the Mueller stuff is that things would go radio silent for months at a time killing any potential momentum. And then when it finally came out it was a letdown that the GOP was prepared to deal with.
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evilweasel posted:the post publishing opinion articles from actual world leaders seems somewhat useful such that you can at least see directly what they're trying to sell and they're putting it under the name of the actual person spouting it I still wouldn’t do it without analysis, at least not in the middle of a crisis. If that means you don’t get a statement, we’ll no great loss - world leaders push out enough propaganda that you could put together an article on what they’re selling without giving them a direct platform to hock it.
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evilweasel posted:the post publishing opinion articles from actual world leaders seems somewhat useful such that you can at least see directly what they're trying to sell and they're putting it under the name of the actual person spouting it If I wanted to know Erdogan's talking points, I'd read Turkish state media. Fascist propaganda has no place in a paper of record, which the Washington Post professes to be.
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Stickman posted:I still wouldn’t do it without analysis, at least not in the middle of a crisis. If that means you don’t get a statement, we’ll no great loss - world leaders push out enough propaganda that you could put together an article on what they’re selling without giving them a direct platform to hock it. The issue is that opinions aren't supposed to have the weight of reporting, but in actuality, it's really close. Even if you don't condone it, it FEELS like you do if you print it without specific disclaimers.
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