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Discord seems strange and confusing, but I've gotten around to joining. Can never have too many places to idle in EDIT: Crap, errr 261 is "lucky number"
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Azza Bamboo posted:I never went to uni or held down a job. You could be the next Igor Zinoviev!!!
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Jippa posted:https://www.politicalite.com/world/our-people-government-urged-to-provide-citizenship-for-hong-kongers/ LMFAO good luck with that, maybe with a Corbyn government but even then I'd say the chances aren't great. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 12:12
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I just wonder if it's deliberate or misguided? The jobcentre puts people on courses that give you things like a CSCS card or an SIA licence, but the end result is that the market in said industry (construction, security, I've even seen some people put on care courses) is flooded with desperate people who'll take low wages and poor working conditions because they'll be sanctioned if they don't, and that presumably keeps wages low and conditions poo poo for everyone in the industry by means of competing for jobs now the market is flooded. Is it deliberate or did the jobcentre just blindly go "oh, giving everyone access to this industry will help them find a good job! How excellent!"
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Oct 26, 2019 12:15
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Just trawling Facebook, and there are three different people attacking Boris today, one of them my pro Brexit uncle. Not a comprehensive sample, but it stood out how political and vocal people are getting!
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Oct 26, 2019 12:15
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Maugrim posted:I pledge to donate generously once the first subtitled episode makes an appearance (I gather its being worked on) Tarnop posted:Episodes should be appearing on the YouTube channel over the course of next week! You most certainly have not been forgotten Maugrim  Also, good luck with the implant when it comes  I should note that the ko-fi I posted itt wasn’t me looking for anything at all, it was just a dumb joke  We’re only using it because I pay for the podbean hosting and adobe audition, and was set up for those involved with the pod to help cover that cost. Should stress atm that if anyone is looking to give to the pod that there’s no sharing mechanisms in place or even discussed because we’re not even close to that stage yet if we were to go over the amount needed for upkeep. I’m fully humbled if people want to give and I’m not going to turn it down since it helps cover costs, but I want to make it as clear as possible that if someone doesn’t have the spare couple of quid then absolutely 100% do not throw money at it, those were the rules when the link was shared with just the cast.
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On crabs in a bucket: At my work everyone starts on 30days holiday. You then get an extra day every 2 years employed there until you reach a cap of 35. You can also carry 5 forward and ‘buy’ more. Ie take some more unpaid. I’m on 35. They recently announced a change that would bring everyone up to 35. I heard zero people say they were happy to be getting increased to 35. I had at least 4 ask how annoyed I was that everyone on less than 35 was now getting the same as me, expecting me to be upset about it. (I obviously pointed out to each of them that levelling down my holidays would piss me off but I was delighted everyone else was being levelled up). It was pretty annoying to see that reaction from fowk, at least one was on or near the cap who seemed to be putting feelers out for us to object to the raising up of benefits for others.
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Azza Bamboo posted:I just wonder if it's deliberate or misguided? When it comes to the DWP and the Job Centre, I assume all things like this are deliberate malice.
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Oct 26, 2019 12:16
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CyberPingu posted:poo poo jobs no one wants to do should absolutely pay more than jobs people want to do. There was a software company somewhere (not this country, might have been america) where the boss decided to pay all the cleaners the same amount as his other staff, and some of his other staff - whose situations remained completely unchanged - LEFT the company because they couldn't stand it Wish i could find the article
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Azza Bamboo posted:I just wonder if it's deliberate or misguided? I mean I would not credit the government with that level of understanding of how capitalism actually works but yes, the reason unemployment exists is to drive down wages, it is at the very least, desirable for capitalism to have a pool of desperate labour available willing to undercut other labour. Or in more developed countries, literal slave labour in the prison system There are a lot of little things like that that have the highly desirable, from the perspective of capital, effect of weakening worker's power.
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Oct 26, 2019 12:18
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Grey Hunter posted:Just trawling Facebook, and there are three different people attacking Boris today, one of them my pro Brexit uncle. Much like "no deal is better than a bad deal" it turns out that the brexitest, dumbest part of the electorate are really good at remembering slogans you made up just to score a few cheap points. "Die in a ditch" is going to do work I'm sure. OwlFancier posted:I mean I would not credit the government with that level of understanding of how capitalism actually works but yes, the reason unemployment exists is to drive down wages, it is at the very least, desirable for capitalism to have a pool of desperate labour available willing to undercut other labour. Or in more developed countries, literal slave labour in the prison system We have more or less actual prison slave labour in this country, I don't want to go into any detail of how I know about this but there are companies getting work done in prison workshops (at a tiny cost) which would be completely economically impossible otherwise. And this is in sectors where the alternatives are investing in expensive machinery or cutting edge research so it's a definite case of directly holding back the economy from becoming more productive. E: I guess it's not really slave labour since I believe that the prisoners can decline to do it but the alternative is staying in a cell all day and they do get some pathetic amount of pay like a few quid a day, but it fucks up worker power just as badly RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 12:25
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Even better the immigrant indefinite detention centres do it too, but it's not slave labour because they get paid (£1 an hour). e: same caveats as the post above To be fair the US has literal chain gangs still, so it could certainly be worse. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Oct 26, 2019 12:28
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It boils my piss particularly hard since it's yet another example of the whole praising of the free market being complete hypocritical bollocks much like how people complain about unions choosing to freely take actions to maximise the income of their members even though this is totally in line with free market principles.
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Oct 26, 2019 12:32
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It's only the free market when rich people do it, otherwise it's actually stifling the market.
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Oct 26, 2019 12:33
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Nothingtoseehere posted:IRC for gamers which gets their money from Moreover, both have the business model that involves them gathering up personally identifiable information about their users which will then enable them to be sold to Amazon or a similar company once the VC funding runs out.
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Oct 26, 2019 12:34
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Socialism for me, but not for thee. I stayed home from work today because I am feeling very low. Taking my tablets though, so that is good.
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Oct 26, 2019 12:35
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When they finally harvest all the datas and turn on the amazon automated capitalism AI the world is going to drown in sex toys raining down from the drone airspace layer.Josef bugman posted:Socialism for me, but not for thee. Time off work is needed sometimes. I'm still tired after yesterday so deferring my weekend stuff til tomorrow. Fortunately I seem to have slept in the chair again in such a way it unfucked all the cricks I put in my body from falling asleep in it on thursday.
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Oct 26, 2019 12:36
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Junior G-man posted:Alright then. StarkingBarfish posted:She gets so close to an epiphany: If you're not born into wealth the idea of employing a cleaner is uncomfortable and weird. Instead of thinking that through and deciding the rich are terrible, she just welps the gently caress out. And where do we draw the line between paying someone to do something that they're more qualified to do (cleaning down concrete with muriatic acid, say) and something that we don't have time to do (washing dishes, say). And how does the automation of domestic work (through washing machines, dishwashers, vacuum cleaners, etc.) fit into this? It was unpaid 'women's work' that was among the first to be automated and a big part of double income households becoming the norm, whereas prior to that there was a clear division between poor households, where both men and women worked paid jobs (and women disproportionately did the domestic work too), 'middle class'/upper working class households where men worked and women stayed at home doing domestic work and childcare, and booj households where the women from the poor households did the domestic work and childcare, and you could see clear class and gender exploitation in all three cases. Also there's apps now where you can rent out your washing machine because someone decided to disrupt the laundromat market. Does that mean I'm an owner of means of production now  I guess what I'm saying is there's a gulf between importing people in containers to a life of domestic servitude and giving your mate a case of beer for pressure washing your back yard, and her case seems to fit into the uncanny valley where she hides from it. Pochoclo posted:Look at all the loving trillions upon trillions of dollars loving around in VCs throwing literal piles of money at stupid startups because they don't even know what to do with it, look at the military industrial complex, etc etc. This is all indicative of an unfathomably enormous overproduction, all this product of human work could go back to all humans, and we could sustainably make everyone super comfortable. And that's not even getting into making all the third world countries in Latin America and Africa sustainably productive too instead of being resource exploitation areas.
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Oct 26, 2019 12:38
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OwlFancier posted:When they finally harvest all the datas and turn on the amazon automated capitalism AI the world is going to drown in sex toys raining down from the drone airspace layer. I would love a drone airspace layer, the new regulations are hamfisted bollocks. It's very difficult not to break them doing anything but the most boring of flights. Though I expect much like currently they'd still apply to hobbyists but not "professional" operators.
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The central question for Labour today is finding a sense of social justice that resonates sufficiently to be a response to the CON attack on the total welfare bill - specifically, the CON appeal to the sense that no household should receive more in benefits than a household does in work. Not the same household but some "average" household. This "benefit cap" sense of fairness is what underpinned the Welfare Reform and Work Act 2016, the famous austerity bill that came into being after the Tories finally won an outright majority, on the back of a GE premised on it. But it had been floating around since the 2010 general election at least. It's important to appreciate just how much more harsh this intuition is relative to the older "making work pay" sense of economic social justice for low-income earners; bluntly, many households are out of work for very, very expensive reasons. It is not difficult to poke holes in it - Labour had a relatively successful counterattack in the form of the domestic abuse victim clause (remember that?). But this is not really sufficient to cover the wider swathe of cases, many of which are not so sympathetic; it allows the Tories to give way tactically on a case-by-case basis. And the Tories know this too, hence DWP systems that allow for discretion "from the top" to override decisions quickly if there is a sense that it is turning into a social media cause célèbre. There are ridiculous bureaucratic channels specifically so that the Minister, or more realistically a regional appointee, can quickly "review" decisions on an ad-hoc basis, thus preventing these individual cases from becoming a case against the principle of the benefit cap. One risk here (rather obvious ITT, to be blunt) is of LAB being so dissociated with this wider sense of what constitutes economic fairness that it crafts a message that mainly resonates with the guilty-feeling-middle-class soft left rather than the 40%-voting-Tory British public... LDEM can afford to do this, for obvious third-party-demographic reasons, but the main opposition party has more to risk betting on such an approach. Currently one Labour attack which does test well is to argue that Universal Credit, the vehicle of the benefit cap, is an expensive boondoggle. The public distrusts "big bang" radical-sounding reforms and UC is no different.
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Guavanaut posted:Hiding in the cupboard from the cleaner like a beagle. Middle-class households still routinely employed domestic servants right up until World War 2. Arguably automation of "womens work" was more of a blow to working class women than a boon - working class families couldn't really afford a washing machine or hoover and all of a sudden a shitload of jobs (both in domestic service and in laundries etc) disappear almost overnight, so the women were forced into a much more competitive labour market (therefore longer hours, harder work, less money) and *still* had to get out the mangle to do the washing.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:There was a software company somewhere (not this country, might have been america) where the boss decided to pay all the cleaners the same amount as his other staff, and some of his other staff - whose situations remained completely unchanged - LEFT the company because they couldn't stand it https://www.inc.com/magazine/201511/paul-keegan/does-more-pay-mean-more-growth.html
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:There was a software company somewhere (not this country, might have been america) where the boss decided to pay all the cleaners the same amount as his other staff, and some of his other staff - whose situations remained completely unchanged - LEFT the company because they couldn't stand it I just don't get this attitude at all. I mean, I know in an academic sense that it's because people have tied their self-image and worth to the amount on their pay cheque and are invested in the idea that they are white-collar skilled workers and not 'mere' cleaners and so they have to earn more than the cleaners...but it's an utterly alien way of looking at the world to me that I can't even begin to have any empathy for. Like, at school we did the RE GCSE a year early as a sort of meaningless mock exam so during our 'actual' GCSE year what had been the RE lessons were turned into a mix of philosophy, sociology and civics. I remember once we discussed the "would you rather everyone be paid £100 or you get paid £75 and everyone else £50?" issue and even then, as a shithead 15-year old who hated Tony Blair as an authoritarian warmonger but thought that One Nation conservatism was the obvious ~~Rational~~ answer, I thought it was unsettling that half my classmates not only went for the second option but were as baffled as to why you wouldn't as I was about their choice.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Middle-class households still routinely employed domestic servants right up until World War 2. Arguably automation of "womens work" was more of a blow to working class women than a boon - working class families couldn't really afford a washing machine or hoover and all of a sudden a shitload of jobs (both in domestic service and in laundries etc) disappear almost overnight, so the women were forced into a much more competitive labour market (therefore longer hours, harder work, less money) and *still* had to get out the mangle to do the washing. The timing doesn't work out on this argument - private domestic servants peaked in the 1880s and steadily declined thereafter, with the competitive labour market pulling working-class women out of the live-in domestic servant role - reducing the supply of labour and sharply increasing its wages, not reducing the demand for such labour
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Looks like the Telegraph really is in trouble. https://twitter.com/fletcherr/status/1187836623196770304?s=21
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gently caress yes burn them all downOwlFancier posted:When they finally harvest all the datas and turn on the amazon automated capitalism AI the world is going to drown in sex toys raining down from the drone airspace layer. This sounds like taking thisisnotacat and applying it to your entire reality
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Ms Adequate posted:It's true, I'm a huge slutty sub. Josef bugman posted:I think they don't make sandwiches like that anymore. Diet Crack posted:Just stuff it full of meat I'm gonna take this as an excuse to post the sandwich I made today.    Something I got from a good eats episode years ago.
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Oct 26, 2019 13:20
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God loving drat I miss proper bread
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Middle-class households still routinely employed domestic servants right up until World War 2. Arguably automation of "womens work" was more of a blow to working class women than a boon - working class families couldn't really afford a washing machine or hoover and all of a sudden a shitload of jobs (both in domestic service and in laundries etc) disappear almost overnight, so the women were forced into a much more competitive labour market (therefore longer hours, harder work, less money) and *still* had to get out the mangle to do the washing. But by the end of the 70s you're looking at over 75% of all households owning at least one domestic automation device, and the big phases of automation of domestic life seem to tie in with the 'waves' of women's lib, but I don't know if that's coincidental or cause following effect. Sure, it was a combination of the poorest households and the very richest who were last to hop on this bus (hell, there's still city elites without fridges because "they're clutter, and I can always eat out or order in") but  Rarity posted:This sounds like taking thisisnotacat and applying it to your entire reality e: While we're talking retro domestic automation, let's all admire the tech behind this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OfxlSG6q5Y Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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Josef bugman posted:I stayed home from work today because I am feeling very low. Taking my tablets though, so that is good.  ronya posted:The central question for Labour today is finding a sense of social justice that resonates sufficiently to be a response to the CON attack on the total welfare bill - specifically, the CON appeal to the sense that no household should receive more in benefits than a household does in work. Not the same household but some "average" household. At the moment it's a sneak-it-in sort of situation, selling policy using the current common sense and hope that resulting material changes will cause the common sense to change, which is a little bleak. The Tories seem a lot better at it.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I'm gonna take this as an excuse to post the sandwich I made today. The only good sandwich is a lady sandwich
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Nope, Lady Sandwich is booj as heck. Lettuce, Guacamole, Bacon, and Tomato is the best sandwich.
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CGI Stardust posted:Take care of yourself Mr. B. Utterly shattering the right-wing media has to be one of Labour's top priorities when it gets in.
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Just seen this posted by the Chief Financial Officer of a professional healthcare organisation (won't name and shame as it was a comment responding to a friend's post):quote:unfortunately Labour failed miserably in the 70s could not defeat Margaret Thatcher for many years. Even now they are in opposition. I did write a long response but deleted it unposted. I don't think there's any point wasting energy on arguing with people who hold such positions. Energy better spent discussing with the 'could be won over' not the 'nothing you will say will make a difference'. How can people not see that the tories have now been in power for almost a decade and things have just got worse in just about every walk of life for the 90%? :smh:
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Just seen this posted by the Chief Financial Officer of a professional healthcare organisation (won't name and shame as it was a comment responding to a friend's post):  You're not arguing for their benefit, you're arguing for the audience and so that people know they aren't alone. As long as 'public ownership good' looks like a minority in the public sphere it'll be classed as a minority opinion.
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bc they're a CFO and earn enough to make the Tory policies not matter to or more likely improve their net income op
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Guavanaut posted:e: While we're talking retro domestic automation, let's all admire the tech behind this: Don't watch this video, you will never forgive your toaster. It will ruin it for you.
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I'm not sure not arguing with people like that in some place like Facebook isn't useless- it's just that you wouldn't be arguing to convince the other person, but arguing for the passive audience which is always there in social media. If you say nothing, other people would see that comment stand unchallenged, and assume it to be true since it's said by someone in a prestigious/vaguely-responsible-for-things position and not jumped on by anyone. With the simple act of disagreeing, you can make people doubt the other person's words, just a little.
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