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Josef bugman posted:Quick question to everyone, does anyone know a cheap place to rent a car for a few weeks? For that timescale, buying a dead cheap one would work out? Cat tax  From my brief attempt at Inktober.
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SNP want to give the vote to 16 year olds and EU citizens. Labour should be all over that
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Has Blackford ever finished a sentence without proclaiming Scotland's independence?
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Julio Cruz posted:lowering restrictions is at best a partial measure towards stopping people-trafficking since it only works if potential immigrants know about it We already know that at least one of the victims, a Vietnamese girl, had attempted entry via France earlier before her family pulled all their savings to smuggle her in.
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sebzilla posted:SNP want to give the vote to 16 year olds and EU citizens. I was saying in Discord today how I think there is an issue of time (in getting people registered, updating the Electoral Roll etc.). However, it would be a very good thing to secure votes for the next election. Put it on the manifesto and all but tie up the 14-16 year old vote for the election that follows.
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EvilHawk posted:Yeah let's just schedule an election which specifically disenfranchises a large part of the public who would in large numbers back Labour. Becau EvilHawk posted:Exactly how has it been disproven? By various academics indicating when their terms end, and it being after the 12th.
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Pesmerga posted:Becau Yeah students aren't known to ditch uni early or anything. That never happens.
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From Graun:quote:Many of us are very cautious of believing anything the prime minister said. We want it tied down before we agree to anything. again, this may move the needle back toward the 9th
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Pesmerga posted:By various academics indicating when their terms end, and it being after the 12th. I really have no idea whether its relevant or not but term end is the absolute last date of the term, many students will finish before that final date.
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Hang on, I thought one of the problems was that the FTPA lets the government pick the date for the election, which we want to avoid, but if the Lib Dems or the SNP can put forward a motion to have an election on a date the government does NOT like, what's stopping Labour from doing the same? If they really do have good reason for wanting an election after a certain date, like after Christmas, what's stopping them from putting forward a motion thusly, and if the problem is now that the cat is out of the bag and the motion for the 9th has more momentum, why the hell didn't they have one ready to go the second we got confirmation of the 31st January extension? Wasn't the whole thing about waiting for the 31st extension? What am I missing?
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Coohoolin posted:Hang on, I thought one of the problems was that the FTPA lets the government pick the date for the election, which we want to avoid, but if the Lib Dems or the SNP can put forward a motion to have an election on a date the government does NOT like, what's stopping Labour from doing the same? If they really do have good reason for wanting an election after a certain date, like after Christmas, what's stopping them from putting forward a motion thusly, and if the problem is now that the cat is out of the bag and the motion for the 9th has more momentum, why the hell didn't they have one ready to go the second we got confirmation of the 31st January extension? Wasn't the whole thing about waiting for the 31st extension? What am I missing? I think we were waiting for Johnson to *accept* the extension which he awkwardly announced he'd done as a point of order during Corbyns speech.
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SNP have come out against backing the 12th Dec motion. Can anyone find an actual link to the text of both motions? e: wait, here is the LDEM one https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1188364172335206400 e#2: no, wait, SNP is opposing the existing FTPA motion, not the hypothetical copy amendment ronya fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Sammy Wilson is such a loving stuttering wasteman, he should be a LibDem
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Coohoolin posted:Hang on, I thought one of the problems was that the FTPA lets the government pick the date for the election, which we want to avoid, but if the Lib Dems or the SNP can put forward a motion to have an election on a date the government does NOT like, what's stopping Labour from doing the same? If they really do have good reason for wanting an election after a certain date, like after Christmas, what's stopping them from putting forward a motion thusly, and if the problem is now that the cat is out of the bag and the motion for the 9th has more momentum, why the hell didn't they have one ready to go the second we got confirmation of the 31st January extension? Wasn't the whole thing about waiting for the 31st extension? What am I missing? The PLP really don't want an election. Partly because they don't want to risk their seat, and partly because they don't want Corbyn in power.
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This is the dumbest timeline so we'll probably have elections on both the 9th and the 12th and Parliament will vote on which set of results to accept. And the Lib Dems will vote for the one that gets a Tory majority with 1 extra LD MP and No Swinson.
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Tesseraction posted:Any of you wall fodders wit ha Times subscription please share with us these articles https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/may-at-10-by-anthony-seldon-grumpy-theresa-was-terrible-campaigner-say-ex-aides-rkkch2mgj Btw you can read a few articles for free if you register so you don't have to be wall fodder. And if you have more than one browser, more than one device...... 1st link: TLDR: May was grumpy and uncommunicative, did not like the Strong and Stable thing and didn't believe in the dementia tax sufficiently. Also noted this at the bottom of that first one: quote:"Mr Johnson’s team is finalising plans for social care, which he pledged to fix “once and for all”. However, some in government are pushing for the measures to be kept under wraps until after the next election." 2nd link: TLDR: more of the same. Didn't see the relevance of political 'friends', didn't make effort to bring cabinet colleagues onside, and more importantly, did not endear herself to her civil servants with a culture of fear (from Hill & Timothy), not clear but micromanagement either forced on her or encouraged by her via Hill & Timothy. Not assertive.
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jabby posted:The PLP really don't want an election. Partly because they don't want to risk their seat, and partly because they don't want Corbyn in power. that PLP well-known for their ability to constrain the leadership? no, this is very much something internal to at least the shadow cabinet
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Yea if the Tories win in December the NHS is gone and I know people say every time the Tories win but seriously this time because if the Tories win they'll realize they can do anything without backlash from voters.
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Even Ankh-Morpork can't escape the tedious grasp of Brexit https://twitter.com/garius/status/1188854955932827653
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Thing with the student thing is surely about registering to vote. Like, we remind all of ours to register to vote here automatically, as part of the electronic enrolment thingy. And then manually, at induction. ...and then that they should actually register for postal votes in their parents' towns because this is a safe Labour seat, by me  Not even unethical imo, since a non-Labour vote is also wasted here, just teaching them the joys of FPTP is allAnything that pushes turnout up is good for us and bad for them, because Tories/olds always vote whereas people that are less likely to vote are far more likely to vote Labour. Likewise, anything that pushes turnout down - whether it be the student thing or just, like, it being really cold and dark and also there being some religious festivals on or some poo poo - is good for them. We still need to have an election though obv
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Bobby Deluxe posted:This is I guess a difference in outlook, because ultimately i'd say yes it is a good thing. I agree that anyone working full time, irrespective of the status of the work, should be able to afford to purchase a property. That's a wages issue and also a supply issue. Housing construction hasn't kept up with a whole bunch of things, such as the increases in population and changes in social dynamics et al. Let's say with a wave of a magic wand we double the supply, we reduce both the price of purchasing and renting. We need to construct more, on top of other measures. Like most things though, it's a generational effort, and it can't be enacted without carrying the Centre. The Centre is (rightly) suspicious of Utopian visions and the demagogues who promote them. I wouldn't say I'm in favour of landlords, it's just that I don't buy the narrative some will push of rich = bad and poor = good. There are plenty of decent rich people and plenty of lovely poor people, and some will use their poverty and that of others as an excuse for behaviours that similarly poor people wouldn't think to engage in. I'm talking about a mortgage, by the way. Carborundum posted:So what age are you? You sound like the most Gen X guy imaginable. When was anyone who could remotely be called an idealist even close to power? Please tell me you are not talking about Nick Clegg. Oh no, I'm not talking about those lot. I'm talking about the ordinary ideologues I've had the pleasure of knowing in my 40-odd years, Marxists, Anarchists, and others besides. They had big plans for the world, did the pickets and protests and leafleting, mocked the hypocrisy and failings of the Right relentlessly, got arrested on occasion, served time. Spent as much energy attacking those with broadly similar views for their lack of Ideological Purity than we did the 'enemy' too. The only valid perspective was our own. Everyone else was weak at best, bought-out at worst. Then they paired up, started families, poo poo got real for 'em, and to a person pretty much went dark. A few holdouts remained, the loudest and most abrasive for the most part. Their home lives, if they had them, tended to break down, their behaviours increasingly erratic. We would call them characters back in the day. Now, we'd say they had underlying mental health issues that brought them to the top, and then to the bottom when the attention and adulation melted away. The same patterns repeat now. The solutions just as handwavey when it comes to financing it all, and how particular policies will play out in the real world. The end result is likely no different. And the Right carries on trucking. For all our efforts we had the War in Iraq, the War on Terror, the banking bailout, austerity, Brexit, Trump, everything. Money won. I'm no believer in Utopian visions anymore. Small changes, over time, carried by the Centre (Left). I'll vote Corbyn because from my perspective he's a good sort, if not perfect. But if he gets into power he's going to run into hard limits on what is actually achievable in the time that he has. And the ideological purists, being fickle creatures, will crucify him as a traitor to the revolution. I'm sure he knows that though, so kudos to him for persevering.
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Remember folks, all the bad things that happened under neoliberal social democracy are actually the fault of all the other ideologies for having the audacity to exist whilst neoliberal social democracy was happening The only solution to this is neoliberal social democracy
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This seems like a good place to ask this: a friend of mine is going for an interview tomorrow for a housing association looking to get a house with them. What kind of questions is she going to be asked? She’s a single mother and she is unfortunately naive as gently caress - has no control of her money, siphons it left right and centre; she gets charged the maximum the banks are allowed to charge for unauthorised overdrafts every single month, etc etc. I’ve offered to help with her budgeting and shopping time after time but she is always “too busy today”. Are they going to talk to her about money and budgeting etc? If you turn up to this sort of thing with your payslips and a print out of a monthly budget does it help your case? Or do I just stop trying to help someone that doesn’t want to be helped? She doesn’t vote of course, because she “doesn’t know anything about the parties, but the conservatives let you buy your council house so maybe them”.
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duckmaster posted:This seems like a good place to ask this: a friend of mine is going for an interview tomorrow for a housing association looking to get a house with them. What kind of questions is she going to be asked? She’s a single mother and she is unfortunately naive as gently caress - has no control of her money, siphons it left right and centre; she gets charged the maximum the banks are allowed to charge for unauthorised overdrafts every single month, etc etc. I’ve offered to help with her budgeting and shopping time after time but she is always “too busy today”.
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Cant wait for tuesday morning whem the mews runs a 5 hr session about how corbyn wished death on the PM Wait till theu find boris is .00002% jewish therefore this solidifies corbyn being aN ANTI SEMITE
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Selsig Mawr and Sglodian Canalig for me please.
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Ratjaculation posted:
Did they really need to translate Menu
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jBrereton posted:Has she been in contact with your local council's housing options team at all? Step change for her debts, any of that? I don’t think she’s in any huge debt, just a £500 overdraft which is maxed out. Her solution to this was to open a Monzo account and use that, just ignoring the other bank account entirely. And a car loan which she pays £300 a month for for a deal that my brother (a car salesman) told her not to touch with a bargepole. I seriously doubt she’s been in touch with anyone about anything. She was renting privately and got her shower fixed herself despite me telling her over and over again that it’s the landlords responsibility. She insisted it wasn’t, I told her to check her rental agreement but apparently she “didn’t have one”. Lovely girl but holy loving poo poo.
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Pochoclo posted:Did they really need to translate Menu I don't speak Welsh so I'm glad they did. E: Oh wait. I seeeee what you mean
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Cant wait for tuesday morning whem the mews runs a 5 hr session about how corbyn wished death on the PM Johnson's great grandfather was Turkish with Islamic roots, so Corbyn is islamaphobic as well as an anti-semite. Oh and Johnson went to Eton and Oxbridge therefore Corbyn is also anti- aspiration, practising politics of envy and about 2000 other things. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Ratjaculation posted:I don't speak Welsh so I'm glad they did. No I mean the other way around, did they need to translate it into Welsh? Like does anyone at all in Wales go and look at a menu and go "me...nu???? oh, it's a bwydlen, gotcha thanks!"
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Ratjaculation posted:
Sglodion Canolig, selsig wedi'i fatro and saws cyri please
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Pochoclo posted:No I mean the other way around, did they need to translate it into Welsh? Like does anyone at all in Wales go and look at a menu and go "me...nu???? oh, it's a bwydlen, gotcha thanks!" Yeah I realised what you meant edited. I'm confusing myself during my hunger stage.
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