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Re: Veidt's "eight million" children When I heard that I was a bit confused. My first thought was maybe he's referencing people who got mindfucked by the squid or something? Like Looking Glass's formative life experience is surviving the squid's psychic blast, so in a sense Veidt shaped their lives and they are the legacy of his crazyass scheme. Those eight million "children" (maybe the kids of the people who survived too) live with the trauma of the squid and that trauma helps keep the post-nuclear world order in place.
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Wolfsheim posted:You could say the same about Manhattan or really the entire Watchmen series and welp I don't doubt they WILL bring him back on account of the character is cool and Buster Scruggs is a good actor But anything he does at this point is fan service since he has had one of the few completed character arcs on the show so far The scene with his dead assailants just established that he didn't die, it's not a hint that he'll return
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Dec 9, 2019 18:50
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mcbexx posted:Lol, they showed a 7C squad coming for him 3 episodes ago (and in the "previously on ..." this episode) without getting back to that in any way. Did you miss where they pointed out the 7K that went to LG's place all got smoked and one of their masks was missing?  LG is now impersonating 7K and going to expose them or take them out. You need to pay more attention to the show.
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Niwrad posted:Lindelof writes shows for reviewers. What does this even mean? Fly Ricky posted:This is the best take. It's been years since thread titles got weekly updates to lovely dad jokes or impenetrable references to something posted in the thread and this forum is much better off for it. Forceholy posted:It's called Hatewatching. We live in an age where there is more good TV than anyone could actually watch, going out of your way to waste a dozen hours of your life on a show you hate just so you can smirk to yourself and crow to a bunch of anonymous strangers online about how much better and smarter you are then them for not liking it is some emotional self harm mental illness poo poo. Pirate Jet posted:Definitely not understanding this influx of “uh it’s a superhero show it’s just supposed to be dumb fun” takes Literally nobody is saying this, we're laughing at you for placing such vastly overinflated importance on an 80s comic book that you think anything less than the TV adaptation solving racism forever means it was a hack fraud cash-in failure.
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1/8th of this show has spent time talking about Dr. Manhattan. This was probably my least favorite episode of the show but man theres remarkable viewer fragility on display with this show. GoGoGadgetChris posted:The scene with his dead assailants just established that he didn't die, it's not a hint that he'll return One of the 7K members is missing his mask, Petey points it out and the camera lingers on it. Nope, no obvious foreshadowing here at all, folks. AccountSupervisor fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Dec 9, 2019 |
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:I don't doubt they WILL bring him back on account of the character is cool and Buster Scruggs is a good actor How is his arc done? Its only just started. He realized the truth, but now we should get to see who he decides to be in light of that fact and what actions he chooses to take. Don't see why LG needs to suddenly disappear into the sunset?
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Dec 9, 2019 18:53
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Zaphod42 posted:Did you miss where they pointed out the 7K that went to LG's place all got smoked and one of their masks was missing? LG didn't die off screen, he died on screen with a head poppin'.
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Dec 9, 2019 18:58
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AccountSupervisor posted:1/8th of this show has spent time talking about Dr. Manhattan. This was probably my least favorite episode of the show but some of you are so fragile with your enjoyment of this series its unbelievable. Ive followed this thread since page 1 and the thing that has consistently made me laugh is the constant projection / self-owning that just drips off the two of these guys, heh Nobody "hate watches". It's fine and fun to point out the Weaknesses of a show in addition to its Strengths. Unless you get royalties based on the rotten tomato score I'd say just don't get too pissy when someone gives your show a 9.0 instead of a 10!
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Bedshaped posted:LG didn't die off screen, he died on screen with a head poppin'. Man this would actually rule. "I'll embed myself with 7K to get to Angela's house but I'll tell her it's me when I see her and we'll team u--" *BLAMMO*
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Dec 9, 2019 19:00
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Zaphod42 posted:How is his arc done? Its only just started. He realized the truth, but now we should get to see who he decides to be in light of that fact and what actions he chooses to take. Yeah, at the end of his episode his arc seemed to be "he was broken and disillusioned by the truth." But now we see he fought back and is, apparently, going for the 7K armed with one of their masks and knowledge of their plan. He has potential to be a more uplifting version of "no compromise in the face of Armageddon". He wasn't broken and jaded by learning the lie that sparked the 7k's resurgence, he's revitalized in his purpose, fighting back to prevent a new generation from being traumatized and hosed up by a new version of what happened to him. I hope.
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Doc gets vaporized in the same episode he and Adrian have a talk about how vaporizing him didn't work. My guess is he purposely got teleported to see where it was, because wherever it is is shrouded in that anti-Doc-vision radiation.
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Sleeveless posted:We live in an age where there is more good TV than anyone could actually watch, going out of your way to waste a dozen hours of your life on a show you hate just so you can smirk to yourself and crow to a bunch of anonymous strangers online about how much better and smarter you are then them for not liking it is some emotional self harm mental illness poo poo. It's possible that people liked the show when it started then it started having a lot of unsatisfying twists that made it worse as a whole and it's also possible that not liking those twists isnt a sign of mental illness my man
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LG isn't wearing a dang mask He uncovered one, recognized it as a fellow cop, and knew it was Kavalry all the way down and got the hell out of dodge He's the audience insert (note the mask) and so he made the extremely reasonable decision, when confronted with world shattering conspiracies and revelations, to say Lol No and take up a new identity, just off screen
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Dec 9, 2019 19:07
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Pellisworth posted:Re: Veidt's "eight million" children Maybe I misheard it, but I thought he said "eight billion children." I took it to mean what he credits himself for saving: the current total population of Earth. They'd be dead if not for him and 3 million sacrifices.
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Dec 9, 2019 19:09
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Nobody "hate watches". This is completely false
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Yeah, how else would Walking Dead still be on?
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Wolfsheim posted:It's possible that people liked the show when it started then it started having a lot of unsatisfying twists that made it worse as a whole and it's also possible that not liking those twists isnt a sign of mental illness my man Yeah I loved the show up until about the last half of episode 7 and this episode was all kinds of bad to me. It's one more hour so yes I'm going to finish it out. I've never had my opinion on a show change this quickly and severely and I still love at least 80% of the runtime we've had so far, so it's not inconceivable I like the finale. quote:Maybe I misheard it, but I thought he said "eight billion children." I took it to mean what he credits himself for saving: the current total population of Earth. This was said/suggested earlier and it definitely sounds like millions and it says millions in the subtitles. It could be a mistake by the actor or just an artifact of the fake accent(and a subber not bothering to verify with the script), but as is it sounds pretty weird.
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LifeLynx posted:Doc gets vaporized in the same episode he and Adrian have a talk about how vaporizing him didn't work. My guess is he purposely got teleported to see where it was, because wherever it is is shrouded in that anti-Doc-vision radiation. Tachyon research wasn't there yet 30 years ago
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:LG isn't wearing a dang mask Thats not how literally anyone with a basic understanding of screenwriting and cinematography would have executed that scene for the purpose your surmising so Im gunna go ahead and say youre extremely incorrect and Im saving this post so I can make sure to point this out next week.
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AccountSupervisor posted:Thats not how literally anyone with a basic understanding of screenwriting and cinematography would have executed that scene for the purpose your surmising so Im gunna go ahead and say youre extremely incorrect and Im saving this post so I can make sure to point this out next week. This is Lindelof so I'm sure you're correct and he's going to make the blunder of LG returning to shoot the bad guy in the back at the last second I'm not trying to predict the future, just saying what would make for Good television
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I liked the last episode. Fite me.
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LifeLynx posted:Doc gets vaporized in the same episode he and Adrian have a talk about how vaporizing him didn't work. My guess is he purposely got teleported to see where it was, because wherever it is is shrouded in that anti-Doc-vision radiation. The implication was that what Ozy did didn't work, and that the 7K learned that and developed a new technique building on that but doing something else as well. So that's... not remotely a problem? *tries to shoot werewolf* *werewolf regenerates* *gets silver bullets and shoots werewolf* PLOT HOLE! We just had a conversation about how werewolves regenerate bullet holes!!!!1! I see it as partially Manhattan being tired of his existence and wanting to commit suicide, and half him being still discombobulated by just having his memory restored and being in all times at once, and half him just seeing in the future that he was going to get killed by the cannon, so he himself believed in it. If you can see the future and recognize that it is the future and your vision of it is accurate, then you start to fall into a sort of fatalism belief. There's no point opposing anything because everything already is. That's why Jon doesn't fight back, and is generally so... calm. Because he already knows its going to happen. Not just he knows its coming, but he believes it has to be. So why fight back? The only reason he kills the 7K at all is to help keep Angela safe.
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Regarding Looking Glass: there were four gunman in the truck that came to whack him. I counted five bodies on the floor, one without a mask. He killed his attackers, took the mask from one and was playing dead in the room. My guess is that he's going to try to kidnap Petey in order to get to Laurie unless Petey is slippery enough to squeeze out of his grasp.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:LG isn't wearing a dang mask GoGoGadgetChris posted:This is Lindelof so I'm sure you're correct and he's going to make the blunder of LG returning to shoot the bad guy in the back at the last second GoGoGadgetChris posted:Ive followed this thread since page 1 and the thing that has consistently made me laugh is the constant projection / self-owning that just drips off the two of these guys, heh 
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:This is Lindelof so I'm sure you're correct and he's going to make the blunder of LG returning to shoot the bad guy in the back at the last second Your idea of "good television" is a central character learning an earth-shattering secret and then completely disappearing from the story forever?
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Weedle posted:Your idea of "good television" is a central character learning an earth-shattering secret and then completely disappearing from the story forever? He's not a central character. He was a Monster of the Week episode
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LifeLynx posted:Doc gets vaporized in the same episode he and Adrian have a talk about how vaporizing him didn't work. My guess is he purposely got teleported to see where it was, because wherever it is is shrouded in that anti-Doc-vision radiation. I think it was tachyons that Veidt used to cloud Manhattan's mind in the comic so if they're slamming him into a tachyon cage or whatever then that explains why he can't see anything after his "death". I bet the season ends with Dr. Manhattan once again leaving Earth, but this time with Angela, to create hybrid life somewhere since Adam & Eve-ing it from scratch was so unfulfilling. The kids will be hand-waved away since they seem to be a vestigial subplot from an earlier story treatment.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:He's not a central character. He was a Monster of the Week episode He's been in five of eight episodes so far. Must have been a long week!
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So veidt's squid rains have been on autopilot for a couple years?
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WHY BONER NOW posted:So veidt's squid rains have been on autopilot for a couple years? I was wondering about that. We see in the scene that he is doing some manual intervention to get the squifall going--looks like he was maybe selecting a target, then hitting a few buttons to activate something, etc. If it can go on autopilot, why not just... do that? Unless he's bored, maybe, I guess? "I could set my coffee maker up to brew coffee automatically in the morning, but why do that when I can fart around with it tomorrow morning when I'm in a hurry to get to work?" Also, 7K might have found his lair. Maybe they've been keeping up the charade.
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just another posted:I think it was tachyons that Veidt used to cloud Manhattan's mind in the comic so if they're slamming him into a tachyon cage or whatever then that explains why he can't see anything after his "death". He mentions they'll have ten years, then a tragedy but never spoke any further. Nothing in his dialogue makes it absolutely certain that he or Angela won't survive the encounter, and the idea of the heroes travelling to the den of the antagonist shrouded by tachyons before a major disaster is set up to be mirrored perfectly. Also keep in mind the scene where Manhattan mentioned passing his abilities through a kind of eucharist involved him creating a simple egg. As soon as he's restored, the first thing he does is make waffles because he's 'hungry' and the eggs are dropped on the floor. Without the egg, maybe Manhattan had to make his waffles with something a little more special. Calling it now: Dr. Manhattan gives Angela the blue waffle.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Ive followed this thread since page 1 and the thing that has consistently made me laugh is the constant projection / self-owning that just drips off the two of these guys, heh Lmao dude this episode was my least favorite as I said, it had issues. I actively groaned at a lot of the same moments everyone else did in this episode, but theres just so much dramatic immediate dismissal of a story that isnt actively and perfectly catering to everyones specific wants and needs from this show. There is a certain element of willful engagement you have to give any work of fiction and anyone who hinders that because they themselves create an impossible framework in their mind before letting a story speak for itself is doing themselves a disservice IMO. I just will not ever understand this type of viewership, period. I think people set shows up for failure in their own minds as much shows do it to themselves. I.E. you literally already declaring LGs imminent return as bad before it is even ever presented. If you cant see how that is a clear and obvious confirmation bias you have set up for yourself going into next week, than I dont know what to tell you.
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President Redford is up there turning the squid lever I also like that Adrian's imprisonment is basically a prank? Like Manhattan didn't really tell him that the clones are all mentally impaired and it kinda sucks? Just lots of hilarious revelations all around this episode
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lmao wtf are u kidding itt that was the best episode of the show so far and it was really, really good and i came in here and read two pages of people hating on it
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upgunned shitpost posted:all the people getting dunked on by zaphod should really re-think their posting careers
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Weedle posted:He's been in five of eight episodes so far. Must have been a long week! IMDB credit does not a central character make Watchmen is the story of Angela Abar and any central character needs to be someone with their hand on the wheel of her arc LG influences her story exactly once but apart from that his journey is just the Black Freighter of the TV show (indirectly connected sub narrative that closely... MIRRORS... The main plot) (and obviously he'll interact with it again if Lindelof seriously has him return for a last second, save the day moment by capping Keen in the back during a monolog. Hopefully this doesn't happen though, I have heard that Lindelof has improved his craft since Lost) GoGoGadgetChris fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Dec 9, 2019 |
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just another posted:I bet the season ends with Dr. Manhattan once again leaving Earth, but this time with Angela, to create hybrid life somewhere since Adam & Eve-ing it from scratch was so unfulfilling. The kids will be hand-waved away since they seem to be a vestigial subplot from an earlier story treatment. It would be pretty hosed up if they abandoned the kids they adopted like three years ago
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Do you think the scene in the main hall of Karnak was actually filmed with Manhattan and Ozy together and if so how long did Jeremy Irons have to stare at that hogWHY BONER NOW posted:So veidt's squid rains have been on autopilot for a couple years? I think Lady Trieu is pretty much an active conspirator at this point.
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