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Shear Modulus posted:trump is president of the us entirely off of his strength at delivering sick burns and do you really think limey voters are that much smarter than americans trump became president because he acknowledged that people's lives suck and he said he'd make it better by Building The Wall whereas hillary was going around saying America is Already Great. he was lying, of course, but he was offering something (racism, national chauvinism) and she wasn't. corbyn, too, was offering something (a better world is possible), but so was johnson (get brexit done). in the end, brexit was more important than anything else in this election, for a great many complicated reasons, and that more than any issue of personalities is why corbyn lost.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm not sure I entirely like this angle that since we think that person had to have liked Corbyn's policies, but since we also don't want to consider factors outside of his party, that we're instead running to how personable he is, and further projecting that onto Sanders as being successful because he's a charismatic politician, and not because of his policies it's a contradiction because while i agree that policy and issues, material circumstances, etc. are overwhelmingly determinative, it's also hard to dismiss the surface level circus
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V. Illych L. posted:trump became president because he acknowledged that people's lives suck and he said he'd make it better by Building The Wall whereas hillary was going around saying America is Already Great. he was lying, of course, but he was offering something (racism, national chauvinism) and she wasn't. trump wouldnt have won the primary if he wasnt laying down sick burns on jeb! and rand paul and liddle marco and the other losers "crooked hillary" was the same thing
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V. Illych L. posted:trump became president because he acknowledged that people's lives suck and he said he'd make it better by Building The Wall whereas hillary was going around saying America is Already Great. he was lying, of course, but he was offering something (racism, national chauvinism) and she wasn't. the eu is bad, but more importantly most english people don't want foreigners there, even if it means being poorer, sicker, and uglier
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm not sure I entirely like this angle that since we think that person had to have liked Corbyn's policies, but since we also don't want to consider factors outside of his party, that we're instead running to how personable he is, and further projecting that onto Sanders as being successful because he's a charismatic politician, and not because of his policies
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Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:it's mostly a bunch of woo-woo and not really a material analysis exactly! it sucks
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Shear Modulus posted:trump wouldnt have won the primary if he wasnt laying down sick burns on jeb! and rand paul and liddle marco and the other losers of course, that stuff helped set him apart from the crowds, but trump's campaign was a heavily populist one and without that element he would not have been president
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Shear Modulus posted:trump wouldnt have won the primary if he wasnt laying down sick burns on jeb! and rand paul and liddle marco and the other losers I think you both share points since Bernie's insurgent campaign against Hillary did feed on the energy of a constituency down and out and ignored for decades.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:it's mostly a bunch of woo-woo and not really a material analysis any sort of materialism or other logic rooted in the real world is not taught in schools for a reason
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V. Illych L. posted:of course, that stuff helped set him apart from the crowds, but trump's campaign was a heavily populist one and without that element he would not have been president yeah the anti-iraq stuff, however shallow, and pointing out that everyone else on the stage were crooks, even though he himself was one, wouldn't have landed without it being true, and him coming across as credible because he had never been in politics before
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THS posted:attempting to grapple with Marxist historical theory while a seizure inducing light show is flashed before your eyes and vuvuzelas blast your ears 
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V. Illych L. posted:of course, that stuff helped set him apart from the crowds, but trump's campaign was a heavily populist one and without that element he would not have been president sick burns that make a stuffy ruling-class personage like hillary look like a flat-footed idiot are a key rhetorical component of trump's populism
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Shear Modulus posted:sick burns that make a stuffy ruling-class personage like hillary look like a flat-footed idiot are a key rhetorical component of trump's populism ok you wanted corbyn to just call johnson a posh oval office repeatedly? i mean that might have helped to an extent, but i'm pretty sure brexit would've still got done
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Shear Modulus posted:any sort of materialism or other logic rooted in the real world is not taught in schools for a reason
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V. Illych L. posted:ok you wanted corbyn to just call johnson a posh oval office repeatedly? i mean that might have helped to an extent, but i'm pretty sure brexit would've still got done well boris has consciously cultivated a bush-like appearance of a relatable funny bumbling idiot for a while
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:we also have a hard time actually discovering facts. like real ones that we can use instead of just being a snake pit of LIES or just heavily distorted. at best we have to try and read through the lines in the bourgeois press while giant mousetraps spring out of the margins going snappity snappy snap. we lost a lot of resources with the collapse of the USSR which would at least fund a commie tabloid on the shelf, along with the general disintegration of socialist info sources yeah the fall of the labour movement and with it the labour press has left us extremely vulnerable to this sort of hegemonic takeover. the increasing costs involved in being a viable media platform also means that it's going to be a real bitch to rebuild anything like what was lost
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Nonsense posted:Brexit won what comes next is anyone's guess. Death, lots of death for poor disabled and brown.
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Crazypoops posted:Death, lots of death for poor disabled and brown. The brown have always known this reality, welcome to it
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THS posted:the guardian might be the worst newspaper on earth at the moment the guardian is particularly insidious, because they're the most respectable part of the media bubble, which makes one think that what they're saying might actually be true - and that if even the guardian is saying it it *has* to be true, re antisemitism
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oliwan posted:Will we see Scottish and Irish Independence during the next 5 years? Bojo will send the army to calm the riffraff
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oliwan posted:Will we see Scottish and Irish Independence during the next 5 years? you can probably expect to see violence motivated by the irish independence dispute
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scotland needs westminster approval for an indyref so probably not, but expect the SNP to rally heavily against the saxon enemy. next government which isn't actively antidemocratic is probably going to have to allow one - for now, johnson's going to start finding ways to cut in scotland. northern ireland depends a lot on how brexit actually shakes out i think. maybe?
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Shear Modulus posted:why wouldnt they I mean yeah, I'm just still sort of processing
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V. Illych L. posted:scotland needs westminster approval for an indyref alternatively they could go the catalan independence route
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THS posted:alternatively they could go the catalan independence route the troubles II: scotland edition does have a certain ring to it, but i don't think this is a good idea
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THS posted:alternatively they could go the catalan independence route immediately fold when the mother nation sends in troops and then has all the planners of the independence movement arrested?
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oliwan posted:Seems weird that a country needs to have its independence approved by the occupying power
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England people are gonna hate the EU even more once Brexit kicks off for real, so I have no idea why anybody thought wanting to preserve the relationship was worth it lol
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What's the death and bankruptcy threshold until the vote starts to shift? Place your bets on garbage humanity now
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