LibrarianCroaker posted:

Warmachine posted:

Calm judgement?

Quatre are you drunk, or just confusing the multiple meanings of "judgement" in that sentence?

Gripweed posted:

As I've been reading Glory of the Losers, I've noticed that a lot of time characters do or say things that don't seem to make sense.

ImpAtom posted:

I mean this is Wing in a nutshell.

chiasaur11 posted:

Choose BGST. Choose the EFSF. Choose Londo Bell or the ECOAS. Choose lying to your superiors. Choose to ruin your career. Choose no friends. Choose divorce. Choose life through the bottom of a bottle. Choose destroying evidence and executing innocent people because they know too loving much. Choose black fatigues and matching gas masks. Choose an Marasai stolen from the Titans loaded with G-3, with a wide range of loving attachments. Choose blazing away at mind numbing, sanity crushing things from beyond the stars, wondering whether you'd be better off just opening your helmet. Choose The King In Yellow and waking up wondering who you are. Choose a 120mm retirement plan. Choose going out with a bang at the end of it all, PGP encrypting your last message down a securely laid cable as a SNRI wetworks squad busts through your door. Choose one last Night at the Opera. Choose Southern Hospitality.

Omnicrom posted:

My takeaway from the most recent viewing is that Quess basically exists to show that Char is wrong and totally full of it.

LibrarianCroaker posted:

LibrarianCroaker posted:

Bloody Pom posted:

Cross Rays makes this even more hilarious by having Quatre be the only Wing boy without absolutely dumpster-tier command stats.

iospace posted:

Wufei getting owned by Treize was great

Blaze Dragon posted:

That may genuinely be true. Wing takes a lot from G, including patterning the Gundams after countries despite having no logical reason to do so in this setting. It's more subtle than in G, obviously, but it's still there.

MechaX posted:

When I saw NT back in Feb I always thought it was funny how they tried to nix psycho frame technology due to the danger, but then eventually stuff like the Angel Halo gets born which is 100x more dangerous than any bit of psycho frame tech

drrockso20 posted:

Honestly it's kinda funny how easy it probably would have been for them to have done a Robotech style mashing up of the 4 90's Gundam shows if them bringing Gundam to the US had been more planned(since Gundam Wing becoming such a success here was more of a happy accident than anything)

Azubah posted:

I figured closing the box was murdering all the scientists and destroying the prototypes.

Nessus posted:

I feel like Gundam: Delta Green would go off the rails when after four or five brutal missions in which you did the necessary harsh hard man decision and waxed an orphanage full of Newtypes, Camille ran in, punched your mission contact in the guts, and pulled off the mask to reveal the actual horrid truth of

TenementFunster posted:

I had the same experience at the showing. went i first saw CCA ~20 years ago, I thought Quess was just a dumb bitch baby. now I realize Char is just Space Epstein who kidnapped and groomed a traumatized child. It really hit me when he gave Quess a "Mini Me" outfit and took her out on the subway because he knew everyone would kiss his rear end and he could act like a magnanimous big shot in front of her. Like, drat dude.

Azubah posted:

I figured closing the box was murdering all the scientists and destroying the prototypes.

Midjack posted:

Except they can’t even do that right. The Unicorn is wrapped up in crime scene tape at the end of NT and the Phenex is in the G-Reco short from a couple of years ago. Banshee is probably still floating around too, maybe as spare parts for one of the others.

tsob posted:

Beyond Wufei's Gundams being Chinese because dragons, what other Gundams have a national element to them? About the only things I can come up with are that the Heavyarms is American because "all the guns" and Sandrock is an unspecified Middle Eastern nation because it has sand in the name and commands some Middle Eastern troops. Which isn't so much subtle as ambiguous at best. I can't even think of any national elements to Deathscythe, Wing/Zero or Epyon. I would agree that they were themed after concepts, but not that they were pattered after nations.


I don't really agree, because a psycoframe enabled mobile suit is capable of doing things like throwing asteroids away from (or, by the same method, at) Earth, or igniting huge amounts of helium 3 and destroying entire Sides. One person can theoretically devastate the entire setting with a single psycoframe suit. At least the Angel Halo required hundreds of Newtypes acting in concert, and even then, it appeared to be a lot slower to achieve similar levels of ruination.


Do you mean Victory, G, Wing and X or G, Wing, X and Turn A out of interest? Cause I'm kind of failing to see how either Victory or Turn A are nearly as visually appropriate to G, Wing and X as they all are to each other. Turn A has more in common thematically, since it's a happier Tomino show and he focuses less on how the human condition can't change, war is horrific etc. and more on how things might change in future and that they can be better, which is more in line with the other 3 shows, but the style and setting is still different enough that I'm not really seeing how they would gel personally.


I'm not even sure the "murdering the scientists" part is necessary, since no-one really understands psycoframe, not even AE and Char was the one who created it. There's no-one left who could design it regardless, so if they just delete the records and destroy the prototypes, then job done really.


Yazan is very specifically not the kind of guy who'd do those types of missions though. He actively refuses to take part in a gassing operation during Zeta after all. Yazan is a dick who denigrates every enemy, and will take advantage of any perceived weakness in his opponents to kill them while smiling about having done so, but he's not really the kind of "harsh, hard man decision maker" who would do brutal missions like killing orphanages full of Newtypes as he's presented in Zeta or ZZ. Some side material may have changed that though, I guess.


Quess is also a Lalah expy, and Quess, Hathaway and Gyunei form a relationship somewhat similar to Lalah, Char and Amuro in the original show: Gyunei being the Char achetype who is part of Zeon specifically because his parents were killed, and wants to kill the leader, while Hathaway is akin to Amuro and has a more naive outlook, at least at the start of the story. Amuro even tries to warn Hathaway away from repeating the mistakes of his past with Quess, because he says trying to pursue her will only get him killed. Char uses Quess in much the same way he used Lalah though, turning her in to a weapon in his fight against Amuro.

Gyunei and Hathaway don't have any interaction like Char and Amuro, but both are competing for Quess' affections, and one is trying to pull her out of the war while the other appears happy to push her further in to it if it will gain him an advantage in his own desires. Bringing her out to the train to see people kiss his rear end was probably less about Char being magnanimous and more about indoctrination in to his cult of personality though, since he didn't seem to care what she thought so long as she did what he wanted.

Gripweed posted:

I'd assume Unicorn 2 is going to be about them actually destroying the Newtype stuff

drrockso20 posted:

The first set was my thought, with the order for it's mashing up being Wing-> Victory-> X-> G

drrockso20 posted:

I've seen some people suggest on other sites that it will get resolved through some time travel nonsense or something, like basically using the Unicorn to retcon itself and all the other post CCA uses of Psycho Frame technology out of existence

tsob posted:

Man that'd make for one weird technology curve in regards to flight. Physical wings in Wing > Energy Wings that can double as beam shields and beam sabers in Victory > Physical Wing Vanes in X. It'd get even weirder if you threw in Endless Waltz, where the Wing Zero would suddenly have angel wings as the most basic of the flight technology. Beam guns too, considering that Wing has handheld (well, mobile suit sized hands) colony destroying guns and swords, then the only weapon even remotely capable of that kind of firepower in V is a huge penis cannon that is it's own space station dedicated solely to powering and firing that one weapon before they'd suddenly be a handheld thing again in X. The technology in general would be all over the place no matter what you did really. Shielding would be another odd instance; where Wing has funnel like AI driven energy field shielding, then there's beam shielding in Victory and suddenly in X it's back to just basic physical shields.

G would just throw it all out the window, and while it'd look aesthetically similar, the setting and technology are so dissimilar that you'd really have to reach to explain it. Like, how would you explain FC colonies being open air facsimiles of the nations they are created by after the relatively practical colonies in AC, UC and AW?


Given that the images for the UCNext100 project Sunrise is using all feature both F91 and Victory as things they specifically want to bridge the gap towards, I very much doubt they intend to retcon them. Nor do I think Fukui would want to either, because of all the complaints that can be leveled at him, he's a big Tomino fan (Unicorn is essentially just aping a lot of Tomino's Gundam) and I doubt he'd want to wipe any of Tomino's work.

Tythas posted:

F-91 is one of the movies/ova I wish would get a second chance, the ideas it has are good and the art was amazing I just wish it got the series it was supposed to be instead of a badly cut movie

drrockso20 posted:

Well for said mashup part of the explanation would be that each segment is decades apart from each other(possibly centuries in regards to X and G), with various technologies gained, lost, or regained over these gaps, if I included Turn A as part of this I'd probably have it be chronologically be the earliest in the setting, and if I included F91 it would probably go somewhere between Endless Waltz and Victory

tsob posted:

If it had been a TV show instead of a movie, one of the two things you enjoyed wouldn't have happened because there was no way in hell it was going to look anywhere close to that good for even one episode of a full 50 episode show.


Why would you make the (at least at one point) last Gundam show whose entire backstory is about the loss and rise of civilization the chronologically first story in a universe about the loss and rise of technology where every other show you plan on using has nothing to do with it? Are you making it a weirdly bad mashup on purpose? Is that what making it a Robotech style mashup means, on top of having some parts that don't make sense?

tsob posted:

If it had been a TV show instead of a movie, one of the two things you enjoyed wouldn't have happened because there was no way in hell it was going to look anywhere close to that good for even one episode of a full 50 episode show.


Why would you make the (at least at one point) last Gundam show whose entire backstory is about the loss and rise of civilization the chronologically first story in a universe about the loss and rise of technology where every other show you plan on using has nothing to do with it? Are you making it a weirdly bad mashup on purpose? Is that what making it a Robotech style mashup means, on top of having some parts that don't make sense?

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The First Robotech War (The Macross Saga) concerns humanity's discovery of a crashed alien ship and subsequent battle against a race of giant warriors called the Zentraedi, who have been sent to retrieve the ship for reasons unknown. In the course of this chapter, Earth is nearly annihilated, the Zentraedi are defeated, and humans gain knowledge of the energy source called protoculture. Humanity also learns of the Robotech Masters whose galactic empire the Zentraedi protected and patrolled.

The Second Robotech War (The Masters) focuses on the arrival in Earth orbit of the Robotech Masters, who have come seeking what turns out to be the sole means in the universe of producing protoculture. Through a combination of mistrust and arrogance, their attempts at retrieving this meet with opposition from the humans and unleash a war that leaves the Masters defeated and Earth awash in the spores of a plant called the Flower of Life—the source of protoculture and a beacon to the mysterious Invid who scour the galaxy for its presence.

The Third Robotech War (The New Generation) begins with the arrival on Earth of the Invid, who are lured by the Flower of Life and rapidly conquer the planet. References in the previous two chapters explain to viewers that many of the heroes of the First Robotech War had left Earth to seek out the Robotech Masters on a preemptive mission, and it is this Robotech Expeditionary Force that sends missions back from across the galaxy to attempt a liberation of their homeworld. The storyline follows one group of freedom fighters as they work their way towards the final battle with the Invid.

Kurieg posted:

Did V and X ever get a western release?

Kurieg posted:

Did V and X ever get a western release?

drrockso20 posted:

Pretty much, I mean we almost got Doozy Bots after all*

*though personally I think that concept actually could have worked with some tweaks(and a less ridiculous name)

Gripweed posted:

https://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Suit-Gundam-Blu-ray-Collection/dp/B01IW8ML7Q/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=victory+Gundam&qid=1576708626&sr=8-2

https://www.amazon.com/After-War-Gu...ovies-tv&sr=1-1

Monaghan posted:

I did like that this episode was kinda inversed the attitude of build fighters. A big problem with BD was that nothing felt like it mattered and the parties always knew that nothing bad would really happen since it's just a game. Even the whole deal with Sarah was with the backdrop of the worst that would happen was that a video game couldn't be played. I could forgive this with the original build fighters, since it was only a game, but at least the characters were so good that we really wanted them to succeed. Who didn't root for Felini when he got back up with wing fenice?

With Rise, Kazami treating it like a game, which to be fair, wasn't a completely unrealistic assumption of his, directly leads to a city of sentient people getting destroyed and now all communications on earth are being affected by their actions.

This was really not the direction I was expecting at the outset of the series and I'm liking it.

Big Bad Beetleborg posted:

What's up with Gundam Moon? They released a really massive complex gunpla for it which must have had a massive tooling cost, a purple Sazabi has just been announced as P-Bandai, but afaict there have been a total of 6 chapters of the manga since 2017? Am I missing something?

Kurieg posted:

Wow that's actually pretty cheap and reasonable for GX. And I'll probably have the money for V after Christmas. Thanks!

Neddy Seagoon posted:

The show has been pretty so-so overall, but driving it into Kazami once and for all that no it isn't a game you idiot was a legit great scene as it all sinks in for him.