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YOLOsubmarine posted:What variables made the players suddenly better at football despite the roster not changing? Getting to play the Panthers twice, the Jags, the niners in a trap game, but most of all signing Younghoe
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The Falcons literally went from no pass rush to sacking the poo poo out of Brees and beating the Saints in N.O. the week after Quinn abdicated, but only an idiot would think those two are related
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GD_American posted:The Falcons literally went from no pass rush to sacking the poo poo out of Brees and beating the Saints in N.O. the week after Quinn abdicated, but only an idiot would think those two are related The Falcons went 5 games without a sack. FIVE! They had 7 sacks in their first 8 games. They've had 20 since. Must be a coincidence.
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If you really think the coaching change was the main reason the Falcons turned around so dramatically in the 2nd half you probably should keep Quinn - he adjusted and now the team is capable of 11 or 12 wins. Say they fired him midseason and the replacement coach went 6-2 (assuming they beat the Bucs, that’s certainly no gimme) to close it out, including wins over the Niners and Saints on the road, you probably hire that guy... But maybe they weren’t as bad as 1-7 and aren’t as good as 6-2 and you should fire him because he’s the coach of a wildly inconsistent team that goes on streaks, as inconsistent teams are wont to do Merry Xmas goons!
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YOLOsubmarine posted:What variables made the players suddenly better at football despite the roster not changing? Playing the browns.
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wyoak posted:If you really think the coaching change was the main reason the Falcons turned around so dramatically in the 2nd half you probably should keep Quinn - he adjusted and now the team is capable of 11 or 12 wins. It is possible to believe that both results are on the extreme end of possibilities and that we are right about the root cause. Quinn was a fraud. He's NFL Gene Chizik.
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GD_American posted:He's NFL Gene Chizik. Unrelated to this thread but huh, didn't realize he's been completely out of coaching for the last 3 years. Guy is only 57, and although I agree he's a fraud you'd think he'd be able to get a job somewhere doing something if he wanted to.
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Elephanthead posted:Playing the browns. They didnt.
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Grittybeard posted:Unrelated to this thread but huh, didn't realize he's been completely out of coaching for the last 3 years. Guy is only 57, and although I agree he's a fraud you'd think he'd be able to get a job somewhere doing something if he wanted to. IIRC, Chizik is very happy being an occasional talking head and running some fast food shops
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Grittybeard posted:Unrelated to this thread but huh, didn't realize he's been completely out of coaching for the last 3 years. Guy is only 57, and although I agree he's a fraud you'd think he'd be able to get a job somewhere doing something if he wanted to. Chizik would have to do the Terry Bowden MAC Redemption Tour (TM) to climb the ladder again, and I think he was self-aware enough to realize he wouldn't be able to climb that ladder again. He was 5-19 at Iowa State (lol Charles Barkley) before getting his first lightning strike in an Auburn job offer on the strength of the ring he got at Texas as a DC, and his second in hiring Gus Malzahn. I can testify to personal painful loving experience how useless a metric "DC on a national title team" is to a coach's value. You know how? Remember who Chizik's DC was their title year with Cam? Say his name. Say his loving name.
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GD_American posted:Chizik would have to do the Terry Bowden MAC Redemption Tour (TM) to climb the ladder again, and I think he was self-aware enough to realize he wouldn't be able to climb that ladder again. He was 5-19 at Iowa State (lol Charles Barkley) before getting his first lightning strike in an Auburn job offer on the strength of the ring he got at Texas as a DC, and his second in hiring Gus Malzahn. 
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Let's see if Freddie can learn from his mistakes this year https://twitter.com/KeithBritton86/status/1210288981679710208
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wyoak posted:OBJ and Baker have regressed Baker was never that great in the first place. His accuracy has always been poo poo. He had trouble with some reads and check downs. His stats were great last year because receivers got open and caught balls they shouldn't have. His line could also block just long enough. The one positive is that he's got a slightly better idea of when to throw the ball away. Anyway, Kitchens is a garbage coach. The team has fractured talent and the coach can't scrape together a game plan or make adjustments.
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DeimosRising posted:Wow a single example where you’ve assigned responsibility for the result to something because you can’t imagine any other variables that’s a strong argument you’ve convinced me See Also Jeff Fischer -> Sean McVay Rams. See Leslie Frazier Vikings Defense Rankings -> Mike Zimmer Defense Rankings See Jim Caldwell -> Matt Patrcia Lions. See Mike McCarthy -> Matt LaFleur etc etc etc. And these are the ones that I thought up in about 45 seconds.
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OxySnake posted:See Also Jeff Fischer -> Sean McVay Rams. Ok you've got 5 examples that's still not statistically significant I remain unconvinced 
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I will think coaches have no effect on teams until Belicheck wins a Super Bowl for the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Hell, even Mike Sherman -> Mike McCarthy works too. Favre had completely checked out by the end of the Sherman years. Within two seasons Fat Mike had Favre playing at almost MVP level and the Packers were one overtime interception away from the Super Bowl in '07.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Ok you've got 5 examples that's still not statistically significant I remain unconvinced I actually looked up Atlanta before Quinn gave up defense duties and their points given up. It is quite the read. ATL Schedule through 1st 8 weeks: Lost to MIN by 16. Down 21-0 at halftime. Beat PHI by 4. Up 6-10 at halftime. Credit to Quinn. Lost to IND by 3. Down 20-3 at halftime. Lost to TEN by 14. Down 24-7 at halftime. Lost to HOU by 21. Actually up 17-16 at halftime! (gave up 37 in the 2nd half.) Lost to ARI by 1! Down 20-10 at halftime. Down 27-10 after 1 drive in the 3rd corner. Lost to LAR by 27. Down 13-3 at halftime. (Gave up 14 points in the 3rd quarter to go down 27-3 going into 4th quarter) Lost to SEA by 7. Down 24-0 at halftime. So in the 8 games Dan Quinn was calling defensive plays, his defense averaged 18.5 points given up by half. For context the woeful Bears are averaging giving up 18.6 points PER GAME through 15 games of their season. Dan Quinn suuuuuucks.
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purkey posted:The Bears are fifth in the league in scoring defense. That’s a weird choice They were the closest to the 18.5 that the Falcons gave up in the 1st half. Also with the Bears struggling offense, it helps to stop any "The Falcons offense was so bad it ruined their defense and points allowed. So its a moot point."
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Mega64 posted:I will think coaches have no effect on teams until Belicheck wins a Super Bowl for the Cincinnati Bengals. Force belichick to coach the worst-ranked team for the next ten years in a row
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Extreme apologies for missing my regular updates -- the last time I promised to update, the flu knocked me on my rear end for a solid week, and then work and the holidays sucked up whatever free time I had left. But thanks to everyone for keeping this thread alive in my absence, and as a late Christmas present, here's my final rankings for the 2019 season. I'll be honest: Just reading the tea leaves so far, I don't think we're seeing many firings this year, at least compared to recent years when 6-8 jobs routinely opened up. Vegas seems to agree with me -- the over/under for coaching changes is set at 4.5, and with two jobs already open that doesn't leave much wiggle room. It seems like a lot of teams are either staying patient, stubbornly clinging to sunk costs, or not inspired by the batch of up-and-coming candidates. That might actually be good news for the likes of Mike McCarthy and Ron Rivera, who are itching to get back in the game and will have a bidding war from teams who want a "proven winner" rather than taking a chance on a young coordinator or college hotshot. WEEK 17 RANKINGS COOL Bill Belichick, New England Patriots Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills Brian Flores, Miami Dolphins Adam Gase, New York Jets Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh Steelers John Harbaugh Baltimore Ravens Zac Taylor, Cincinnati Bengals Bill O'Brien, Houston Texans Frank Reich, Indianapolis Colts Mike Vrabel, Tennessee Titans Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs Anthony Lynn, Los Angeles Chargers Vic Fangio, Denver Broncos Jon Gruden, Oakland Raiders Doug Pederson, Philadelphia Eagles Matt LaFleur, Green Bay Packers Mike Zimmer, Minnesota Vikings Matt Nagy, Chicago Bears Sean Payton, New Orleans Saints Bruce Arians, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Pete Carroll, Seattle Seahawks Kyle Shanahan, San Francisco 49ers Sean McVay, Los Angeles Rams Kliff Kingsbury, Arizona Cardinals We're late enough into the season to retire the "first-year" section for 2019 -- with some notable exceptions, I feel pretty comfortable in those guys coming back next year. Fangio might have been warmer a month ago when the Flacco experiment predictably imploded, but Drew Lock's surprisingly decent performances have given him a longer leash. The Chargers have fallen apart and Rivers might be washed, but it's Lynn's first losing season in three years and I still believe Ross when he says he's not in immediate danger. 2020 might be a different story if they don't turn it around, though. Good luck to the Jets for giving Gase his 83rd second chance. MILD Matt Patricia, Detroit Lions -- The Ford family has already confirmed that Patricia will be back for 2020, so consider this a preemptive ranking next year. Even after losing Stafford, Kerryon Johnson and like half the defense to injury, you only deserve so much mulligan for losing eight straight games and delivering the Lions' worst record since the post-Millen rebuilding years. Mike Tomlin has been playing musical chairs with lovely backup QBs all year and his team is still in the playoff hunt, so what is Patricia's excuse? I don't know, this whole tenure has been a giant wet fart and the Fords might regret not pulling the plug now. MODERATE Freddie Kitchens, Cleveland Browns -- This thread has spent so much time talking about Kitchens that I almost feel like I have nothing new to add. Bottom line is, he's slated to have a worse winning record than the Hue Jackson/Gregg Williams team from last year, which is absolutely unacceptable with the talent they added. The offseason hype train was always ridiculous and out of control, but at the very least we expected them to be playing meaningful football in Week 17. Instead, they're following a proud Browns tradition -- finishing a season with way more questions than answers. Doug Marrone, Jacksonville Jaguars -- We shouldn't be surprised that the Jags are bad. We knew deep down that they didn't really fix their QB position, and have tanked their salary cap with the Nick Foles boondoggle. We probably also knew that Tom Coughlin would wear out his welcome and shown the door because his poo poo doesn't fly in 2019. But will the Jags look at the last two years of collapse and humiliation, and decide to run it back with the same coach and GM that got them into this mess? Now that will be surprising to me. Pat Shurmur, New York Giants -- Depending on next Sunday's result, Shurmur will head into Year 3 with a 9-23 or 10-22 record as Giants coach. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets one more year to work with Daniel Jones, but there was plenty of smoke earlier in the season that Shurmur was losing the locker room, and I'm not convinced that token wins over the Dolphins and Washington have done enough to quiet the discord. Dan Quinn, Atlanta Falcons -- Quinn's firing seemed like a sure thing two months ago, but the Falcons' second-half surge has cast just a little bit of doubt. We all know Arthur Blank loves the guy, and he specifically refused to fire him over the bye week because he wanted to see it play out. Has Quinn shifting around some positional coach chairs and remembering that Julio Jones is one of the best WRs ever done enough to save his job? My gut still says he's gone, but I'm way less confident in this than I used to be. SPICY HOT Jason Garrett, Dallas Cowboys -- Important reminder: Garrett won't get fired because his contract is expiring, so unless the Cowboys sneak into the playoffs and steal a win from the Seahawks or 49ers, we're heading full steam into the "mutual parting of ways." Either way, this season has been Peak Garrett in a nutshell. The Cowboys started 3-0 and looked like Super Bowl contenders, with Dak Prescott playing at an MVP level. Of course, once they started playing good teams, Garrett folded like a cheap tent and repeated all of his notorious meme-worthy habits, giving away easy games and letting the MASH-unit Eagles control their destiny for the division crown. When you look back at the number of All-Pro and borderline HOF talents Garrett has coached over this decade, it's really stunning how little he has done with so much. We'll know for certain he has dirt on Jerry if he gets another contract. YOU'RE FIRED Jay Gruden, Washington (interim coach: Bill Callahan) Ron Rivera, Carolina Panthers (interim coach: Perry Fewell Benne fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Dec 27, 2019 |
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Thank goodness Dan Quinn was able to save his job after he jettisoned the real problem, defensive coordinator Dan Quinn.
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Ironically a bunch of teams keeping their coaches means some other teams should move on. There's typically only a few good candidates and this gives you way higher odds of landing one of the good ones if you don't have to worry about the team with Matt Ryan and Julio Jones stealing them from you.
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Least available cap room in the league for (at best) back-to-back 7-9s. Let's go for three!
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It sure is going to be hilarious to see the Falcons' brand new butt-hole stadium be empty during games next season.
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So this is how the Ryan/Jones era ends. With a wet fart of a coach toiling away at the bottom of the division.
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Theres no coming back from 28-3, they need a new GM, coach , qb , wr, anyone in the org for that loss needs to go
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Y’all need to quit mocking this decision. I approve
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mastershakeman posted:Theres no coming back from 28-3, they need a new GM, coach , qb , wr, anyone in the org for that loss needs to go I agree 100% with this. The stench of a failure like that sticks with a franchise until it is completely exorcised from the bottom to the top. Every player who was there, including Julio Jones and Matt what-his-face (Blank?) should be traded or released or whatever. Anyone who was any part of the coaching staff for that should be released, and then Arthur Blank should sell the team.
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