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Hot Karl Marx posted:just take a step back, reinstate the accounts and see how poo poo ends up
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it doesn't matter what the forums started as 20 loving YEARS AGO, it's about what they are to the people who support it NOW and want to maintain and grow it more
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Jan 1, 2020 07:50
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CharlestheHammer posted:ultimately it’s this lowtax, doubling down is natural but if you say you hosed up and move on to tackling the problems this can go away making a lot of mistakes while sleep deprived and continuing to post while still sleep deprived is only guaranteed to make things even worse. wake up with a fresh brain and start making amends. you own this site, Lowtax, you call the shots. reflexively defending yourself like this isn't productive, but engaging with the community and reversing these bad impulses is.
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Epic High Five posted:you've got a lot going on, and even people like me who have nothing going on aren't up to date on everything going on, it's fine, just repeal those bans
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sweet geek swag posted:Yes, the trans thread in TGRS had a very negative reaction to you, but this was because the trans thread is the place where they post about things that matter and are important to them. It was designed to be a safe space where they could shelter a bit and you kind of blundered in their and made them all feel really uncomfortable. I know you didn't intend to to, but that was what happened. Chalk it up to a misunderstanding, but it was a misunderstanding that you caused by choosing a very poor venue to talk to them in. theres a whole serious of misunderstandings going around and i believe there are people exploiting that, i dont think its a conspiracy but i dont think how you were pointed to things was an accident and they probably relied on the reactions on both sides
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A Bakers Cousin posted:Lol not when dealing with low tax directly I mean the most bans in the CSPAM thread was made before he even came back. it’s kind of bad policy if punishment is based on a dude just appearing at random
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Jan 1, 2020 07:50
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Jan 1, 2020 07:51
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Lowtax posted:The mod sass rules have been in place for 20 years now. It was not "frivolous."  . Some of the banned posters were being pretty derogatory, but some were really borderline. The flip side is that getting called a transphobe and a Nazi isn't fun, and yeah, that's a little "fragile privileged" but it sucks in the moment. This was handled in the spirit of "gently caress it, these lovely games aren't working and this is the prevailing narrative right now. Let's have some fun on this stream." Some people got hurt over it, and that's not good, either. I don't think this is a hill to die on, really, for either side. The bans don't really need to stand. That was fun, but I don't think anyone needs to be mad or arguing. I think we all want an inclusive community, but there's an historically acerbic tone to SA that will likely continue to exist here and that needs to be included, too.
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Lowtax posted:The posts I banned people for were mod sass. I didn't see anything about the trans community, and I apologize if there was something there and I missed it. I just saw a lot of people freely making GBS threads on me, and if I'm going to try to unravel and deal with this mess, I'm going to enforce the rules. Copying and pasting direct quotes that you typed into a livechat on Youtube is "mod sass"?
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Jan 1, 2020 07:52
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Lowtax posted:The whole purpose of the image was to make me look like I was insulting the entire trans community, when I was trying to make it clear I was speaking about one small group of people. Lowtax, unban vroom vroom, they literally just hit me up today for like 40 bucks from the goon fund to get bills paid and eat, I have no idea what they are going to think when they wake up and are banned tomorrow, and not have the community they had for years. And probably not have $10 to poo poo away, to re regen, your punching down on the most vulnerable that are members of this place. There are others in this situation.
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Lowtax posted:Again, you're missing all the times I defended the trans community and said how much empathy I had for them. That doesn't fit your narrative. Sorry I said I liked a trans porn video, sorry I called a trans person ugly in 2003, but you're cherry picking things I said. That article went further than "ugly" but it was 17 years ago, you could just explain that you've changed since then. I had some bad opinions even more recently than that, and look at me! No one knows who the hell I am, but if they did they'd probably at least mostly not hate my opinions! The issue at this point isn't so much whether you've been a good ally in the past - which isn't all that important in the grand scheme of things as long as one can acknowledge their faults and show they've learned - but what's going on now. As many have said, there's really nothing wrong with admitting faults, or that you don't understand the situation and would prefer to delegate to those more involved.
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Jan 1, 2020 07:53
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Plinkey posted:Lowtax, unban vroom vroom, they literally just hit me up today for like 40 bucks from the goon fund to get bills paid and eat, I have no idea what they are going to think when they wake up and are banned tomorrow, and not have the community they had for years. ITS JUST A WEB FORUM LOG OFF 
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Plinkey posted:Lowtax, unban vroom vroom, they literally just hit me up today for like 40 bucks from the goon fund to get bills paid and eat, I have no idea what they are going to think when they wake up and are banned tomorrow, and not have the community they had for years.
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Lowtax more like dumb idiot
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Plinkey posted:Lowtax, unban vroom vroom, they literally just hit me up today for like 40 bucks from the goon fund to get bills paid and eat, I have no idea what they are going to think when they wake up and are banned tomorrow, and not have the community they had for years. You are good people, thank you for being awesome like that.
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Tashilicious posted:You mean the group that was mad that you kept showing your entire rear end and missing the point of their complaints? The group that answered your four point post but that you never bothered to go back and read said answers to? They are mad at you for very good, very specific reasons, and painting it as just a bunch of hysterical queers who are mad for no reason is just as bad a look as saying you're an ally because you find a trans attactive and you've watched trans porn.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:making a lot of mistakes while sleep deprived and continuing to post while still sleep deprived is only guaranteed to make things even worse. wake up with a fresh brain and start making amends. you own this site, Lowtax, you call the shots. reflexively defending yourself like this isn't productive, but engaging with the community and reversing these bad impulses is. also, c-spam of all places is insanely understanding when it comes to making bad posting mistakes while tired and/or drunk that's practically our M.O
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Zinkraptor posted:That article went further than "ugly" but it was 17 years ago, you could just explain that you've changed since then. I had some bad opinions even more recently than that, and look at me! No one knows who the hell I am, but if they did they'd probably at least mostly not hate my opinions! can we agree to delete the article? its a really bad look now, leaving it up just kinda feels like you are defending it to many folks
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Lowtax posted:Yes and again, it was cherry picking. And all those comments were directed at a small group of trans posters, not the trans community. I'm talking about the ones in that thread that just utterly despise me. I made it clear I was not talking about all trans people, I was referring to one single group here. I don't fully understand what's going on. Apologize, renounce, ask for education. That is the correct response in any situation like this. I love this site, I've been here forever, please keep this the absolute pearl that it's been since nineteen ninety motherfucking nine Like I said, I don't know exactly all the drama, I literally haven't had time to figure it out since I stopped smoking this last pot and just started casually checking the forums just now, this is a startling thing to see. I just know people are upset, but they're not upset at you--they're upset at a stance that you're staying to take, and I think that not just clarifying your actual stance but putting meaningful distance between you and the position that people--people who live this site--are afraid you might be taking.
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Lowtax posted:Yes and again, it was cherry picking. And all those comments were directed at a small group of trans posters, not the trans community. I'm talking about the ones in that thread that just utterly despise me. I made it clear I was not talking about all trans people, I was referring to one single group here. I'm trans, and while I'm not part of 'that one single group', let me just be completely honest when I tell you that your behaviour tonight was just incredibly...bad, and has, and will have, severe negative repercussions for the vast majority of trans people on this forum. And that really makes me sad, because you know what? Your intentions don't really matter when your actions are so unambiguously negative. You've hurt people, and you need to understand that not believing you did it on purpose doesn't mean you didn't hurt them. It's up to you now what you do with that information.
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What kinda snacks did you guys, gals and xirs have for New Year's Eve? Hopefully something tasty. Please post your NYE snacks below. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Lowtax posted:I never said I'm an ally because I found a trans attractive and I've watched trans porn. I was saying sexual attraction and gender identity is not a choice. 
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why the gently caress didn't you ban EVERY cspam poster? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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FanofPortals posted:What kinda snacks did you guys, gals and xirs have for New Year's Eve? Hopefully something tasty. Please post your NYE snacks below. hi can you leave please, thank you
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Jan 1, 2020 07:56
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Motherfucker posted:why the gently caress didn't you ban EVERY cspam poster? again please leave
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Lowtax posted:I never said I'm an ally because I found a trans attractive and I've watched trans porn. I was saying sexual attraction and gender identity is not a choice. dude, disengage for the night, undo your bans, and reassess the situation in the morning
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Jan 1, 2020 07:56
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also I mean, look at the people posting on either side of this argument and draw judgement from there
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lowtax, go to bed. talk with site staff tomorrow. nothing more will be accomplished tonight.
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FanofPortals posted:What kinda snacks did you guys, gals and xirs have for New Year's Eve? Hopefully something tasty. Please post your NYE snacks below.
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what youre doing right now will destroy this community forever
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Lowtax posted:Yes and again, it was cherry picking. And all those comments were directed at a small group of trans posters, not the trans community. I'm talking about the ones in that thread that just utterly despise me. I made it clear I was not talking about all trans people, I was referring to one single group here. They probably don't actually despise you.
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Plinkey posted:Lowtax, unban vroom vroom, they literally just hit me up today for like 40 bucks from the goon fund to get bills paid and eat, I have no idea what they are going to think when they wake up and are banned tomorrow, and not have the community they had for years.
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unbelievably loving stupid
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Lowtax posted:Yes and again, it was cherry picking. And all those comments were directed at a small group of trans posters, not the trans community. I'm talking about the ones in that thread that just utterly despise me. I made it clear I was not talking about all trans people, I was referring to one single group here. Reading them individually I don't think they're that great. If someone said stuff like that around me I would be offput by how the sentiment is expressed even if I knew the speaker wasn't transphobic. But I think you should understand that Snoo is married to a trans person. They have a reason to point out speech about their wife that they find objectionable. Also they're basically the Trump Thread mascot so it's kind of like banning the class hamster for us.
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serious man, take a step back, undo tonights dealings and re-a-loving-sses
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sleep tax tax, sleep
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Lowtax posted:I never said I'm an ally because I found a trans attractive and I've watched trans porn. I was saying sexual attraction and gender identity is not a choice. EimiYoshikawa posted:I'm trans, and while I'm not part of 'that one single group', let me just be completely honest when I tell you that your behaviour tonight was just incredibly...bad, and has, and will have, severe negative repercussions for the vast majority of trans people on this forum. The common reaction among general trans goons, or even just general goons who watched your livestream, was disgust and shock. Maybe you should consider that, and the impact your recent actions and mandates, on top of the recent actions of the mod/admin team in the current and still ongoing and still mostly unaddressed conflict, before you slam into threads with a bunch of angry people who are angry for very good reasons.
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