Homeless Friend posted:

don't need an account to buy avs iirc

Lowtax posted:

I have been largely absent from these forums for nearly a decade now, because I simply didn't have time to address all the forum drama back then, and people were telling me the forums were better off without me. Now I come back and people want to rip my face off because I wasn't involved with the forums, and poo poo happened that I had no idea about.

r u ready to WALK posted:

Custom avatars should really have an easy way to reveal who bought them, both for public shaming purposes and to encourage retaliation.

Can the admin team even tell who bought them or do you have to manually piece together the information from web server access logs?

Lowtax posted:

I understand you all are mad, but you're getting mad at the guy who hasn't been on the forums and has been dealing with some real heavy personal poo poo.

Scoops My Goops posted:

I think it's important to note that your admin staff put you in this poo poo position, because these problems have been brewing for weeks and their "response" has been to circle wagons, curtail almost all discussion of said problems, make new and exciting definitions for the word "doxxing", and basically treat the community with disdain

Lowtax posted:

I have been largely absent from these forums for nearly a decade now, because I simply didn't have time to address all the forum drama back then, and people were telling me the forums were better off without me. Now I come back and people want to rip my face off because I wasn't involved with the forums, and poo poo happened that I had no idea about.

ArfJason posted:

They cant iirc, but they absolutely should.
Avatar and redtext purchasing is loving cowardly (not to mention a useful tool for bad actors)

Lowtax posted:

I have been largely absent from these forums for nearly a decade now, because I simply didn't have time to address all the forum drama back then, and people were telling me the forums were better off without me. Now I come back and people want to rip my face off because I wasn't involved with the forums, and poo poo happened that I had no idea about.

Homeless Friend posted:

don't need an account to buy avs iirc

Lowtax posted:

I'm not going to put blame on anybody, because that accomplishes nothing, although I do with I could've been told the entire story. I still have a ton of catching up and reading past threads to do.

Lowtax posted:

I'm not going to put blame on anybody, because that accomplishes nothing, although I do with I could've been told the entire story. I still have a ton of catching up and reading past threads to do.

Lowtax posted:

3) I was not coming in like a "shining knight," I was coming into an openly hostile place and attempting to explain my decisions. Claiming I was trying to be a "shining knight" is absolutely insane, because I had read that thread and knew I was getting myself into a place where I was getting blamed for everything.

Lowtax posted:

You honestly believe this? Two decades of always standing up for and trying to create a safe space for trans people, and now suddenly we don't care about your concerns? Tons of people got banned, the rules were made clear that similar actions, just like in the past, will NOT be tolerated and will result in a ban like we always have. FYAD was moved to a new forum, but the admin team doesn't care about your concerns.

It's a compromise. Neither group of people are 100% happy, that's why it's called a compromise. If you believe the admins don't care about your community, look back and see how we've dealt with things in the past for so long. This has not been a long recurring event or an issue that has been ignored for a long time. It's amazing how one event can entirely erase all the goodwill we've created over nearly two decades.

If the rules are broken again, people will get banned, just like last time. There's no need or valid reason to totally erase an entire forum because of a fairly isolated event.

smarxist posted:

real talk; if i wanted to buy SA LLC from you 100% ownership stakes and get control of the forums super accounts, what would that figure look like? bearing in mind you could;
keep your patreon revenue stream
still exist on the forums in some capacity
not have to deal with this poo poo ever again

Homeless Friend posted:

don't need an account to buy avs iirc

bloom posted:

lmao who ever thought this was a good idea?

Tashilicious posted:

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Tiler Kiwi posted:

i think this has really gotten badly out of hand and it represents a failure in response on several levels. but i think the problem wasn't in the response itself per se but the fact that interfourms rivalries and mistrust hit critical mass after an indecisive response to an issue people give a very real and serious amount of poo poo about.

its gotten that there's no trust in anyone outside ones own ingroup, including mods and admins, to even act with a basic standard of honesty, to the point where there are nonfalsifiable accusations of hidden nefarious intent that people demand are disproven before bothering to even take an opinion at face value. and users think, not entirely wrongly, that the only way to be even heard or recognized is to start overthrowing tables.

i don't think this is going to be the end of anything.

Minrad posted:

regardless of if you consider this offer or not lowtax, it's probably worth trying to figure out how better to let the site self police and run itself, because you needing to come and reorient yourself and put out the forum fires is becoming, like, a yearly tradition because there's just no real leadership alternative. i don't know if it's as simple as just making more mods/admins, or figuring out how to get people to cycle through the positions faster and have more fluidity with adding people to the site, or what.

Minrad posted:

regardless of if you consider this offer or not lowtax, it's probably worth trying to figure out how better to let the site self police and run itself, because you needing to come and reorient yourself and put out the forum fires is becoming, like, a yearly tradition because there's just no real leadership alternative

Tiler Kiwi posted:

i don't think this is going to be the end of anything.

Tashilicious posted:

People are mad at how this was handled. Rightfully. You are the head of the website. You are, ultimately, responsible. If you cannot handle a tame browbeating by someone who's spend much much MUCH longer in the bigot and KF crosshairs, maybe you need to re-evaluate

Lowtax posted:

I'm not going to put blame on anybody, because that accomplishes nothing, although I do with I could've been told the entire story. I still have a ton of catching up and reading past threads to do.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

To be clear, pretty much everyone who is "conversing like normal human beings " is biting their tongue and not saying everything that's on their mind, because they think it's a better strategy and (in some cases) haven't been quite as directly affected. This is not a case of one person going off unreasonably, it's most of us exercising a shitload of exhausting restraint to try and get something done.

Lowtax posted:

However, I did not want to continue reading a thread full of personal attacks, because that gets us nowhere. Same reason why I don't read KF, because I'm really not interested in reading continuous personal attacks on me.

Andrast posted:

I don't think most mods would be interested in modding forums they don't read

VROOM VROOM posted:

uh

blame's going to be put onto someone dude because a bunch of bullshit has happened. and you own the site

smarxist posted:

i'm not even joking, if we got a realistic number, i'd totally consider helping to do the back end work of forming a cooperative of people with a hashed out mission statement and guiding document attached to the people who want to do the work to get this all fixed for the long run and then try to find the money in the forums and outside.

Herstory Begins Now posted:

Also while we've got admins here can we get some placeholder avs that aren't insanely offensive

Scoops My Goops posted:

THIS HAS BEEN THE EXPERIENCE ON YOUR FORUM FOR CERTAIN USERS FOR WEEKS

Lowtax posted:

I did handle it; do you realize I would've banned like everybody saying that kinda stuff to me in the past? I let them get their anger out on me without punishing anybody. I banned (I think) only one person in that thread. However, I did not want to continue reading a thread full of personal attacks, because that gets us nowhere. Same reason why I don't read KF, because I'm really not interested in reading continuous personal attacks on me.

Minrad posted:

yeah, like regardless of the current situation I think it's just been an ailing problem of the website for a long rear end time now (like going back years and years) and it's hitting critical mass because the biggest forum on the website, a leftist political one that advocates unironically for revolution, is unhappy with leadership of the website. i don't think there's anything short of a sea change in how the website is handled that doesn't just lead to this cropping up again in a few months, especially as the political situation in the US heats up in an election year.

Gumball Gumption posted:

Something that would help is transparency and clear info on who can do what. A lot of this anger is from confusion on who can do what with mod powers. There was a lot of confusion on what powers mods actually had and further confusion from the admins making Lowtax come in and solve stuff when they apparently always had the power to do it themselves.

Mandoric posted:

As someone who's seen this go down elsewhere, I think it's a fair and safe assumption that a particular clique felt like now was their chance to spread their wings, and a lot of the general melee is over whether "the people most vocal in FYAD's hottest megathreads in November" counts as "FYAD, as a whole" or not.

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

So basically what you missed on QCS was CascadeBeta and others brought up the gross bigot poo poo in FYAD and QCS got flooded with FYADs harassing her and others and defending anything that was posted on FYAD as okay. This happened in multiple threads on there and when JD was banned FYAD posters made a thread doing the same poo poo demanding he be un-perma'd. This poo poo eventually lead to FYAD being closed, upon where they swarmed QCS just making GBS threads their pants to the point QCS had been closed. I don't think anyone has been punished for it and it lead to a lot of the recent drama about Dickeye and bad D&D Mods because the place to raise concerns outside of bad mod reach was closed because FYAD had a tantrum over the punishment handed out. Which spiraled out of control to here cause problems compounded and tensions run high.

Hopkins FBI posted:

I'm a cis white man and I'm not really sure what kind of support or comfort I can provide. But to any trans posters who are reading this, I love and appreciate you as a human being. The harrassment I've seen some of you suffer here is probably only a fraction of what you go through in real life. You don't deserve any of it. You're good people.