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I'm probably going to get Oath and not The Dark Tower even though the giant chunk of plastic might wow people enough to get it to the table slightly more often. I really don't need more games but anything that does something a bit unique is just too much for me to resist apparently.
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The Moon Monster posted:It's kind of annoying how little the campaign page itself says about the game. It seems like there's a ton of info out there, but if you just look at kickstarter you'll only have the vaguest idea of what playing the game actually entails. There is a preliminary rulebook PDF at least. I did both Oath and Dark Tower, although like a lot of other people have said, I’m not doing the full blinged out minis version of Dark Tower. The money I save there basically pays for Oath! (is what I’m telling myself) StarkRavingMad fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jan 15, 2020 |
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Jan 15, 2020 23:40
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Don't forget that John Company, Pax Pamir, and Frosthaven are just around the corner. Well who needs money anyway???
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Jan 15, 2020 23:58
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StarkRavingMad posted:So yeah, it sounds like he was pretty deep involved on the design side. I wish he had more to say about why it's so insanely ambitious. I mean, cool, there's an electronic tower and an app? I can see how those could facilitate an ambitious design, but Gloomhaven was bonkers because of how much game there is and how deep the play is despite this, and it's hard to see that in what they're presenting of Dark Tower.
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malkav11 posted:I wish he had more to say about why it's so insanely ambitious. I mean, cool, there's an electronic tower and an app? I can see how those could facilitate an ambitious design, but Gloomhaven was bonkers because of how much game there is and how deep the play is despite this, and it's hard to see that in what they're presenting of Dark Tower. It's worth noting that Isaacs non-Gloomhaven work is extremely mediocre.
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Jan 16, 2020 02:09
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Joe Slowboat posted:The biggest influences on Troika's setting are The Dying Earth and the Book of the New Sun, and if that doesn't sell it for you I don't know what to say. I also love their dragons. tell us of Troika's dragons
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Jan 16, 2020 02:12
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LeSquide posted:tell us of Troika's dragons Troika’s dragons are beings of pure hyperlight that soar through space, geometrically and metaphysically incorruptible. This means that they can and do indulge in wanton destruction, avarice, seeking forbidden knowledge and random acts of cruelty, because they revel in the fact that nothing can ever make them less perfect than they are by nature. It’s a lovely theological weirdness wrapped in the classic dragon package of teeth and kaleidoscopic fire breath, plus I already have a story concept (The Dungeon of the Dragon) based on that theological understanding: since dragons are incorrupt, then clearly a dragon moving in should be treated as a saint or prophet, and whoever they randomly choose to attack is guilty in some imperceptible but fundamental way. The main characters would be, of course, shipwrecked on a planet by dragon attack, and then have to deal with bounty hunters, a Byzantine legal system, and political causes for and against the ‘lawful’ government-by-space-dragon-attack, before they can get off this rock.
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Jan 16, 2020 02:24
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Joe Slowboat posted:Troika’s dragons are beings of pure hyperlight that soar through space, geometrically and metaphysically incorruptible. This means that they can and do indulge in wanton destruction, avarice, seeking forbidden knowledge and random acts of cruelty, because they revel in the fact that nothing can ever make them less perfect than they are by nature. Holy poo poo this rules
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Jan 16, 2020 02:29
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:It's worth noting that Isaacs non-Gloomhaven work is extremely mediocre. Forge war is excellent, only founders is bad.
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Jan 16, 2020 02:50
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Doctor Zero posted:Why is that pissing people off? $70 is rest of world, and that’s almost certainly due to the US shipping prices. They are even eating a portion of the costs themselves. What golden bubble said, and whatever Leder says they're not subsidising shipping, buyers are paying for it elsewhere. Plus, did it cross your mind that these people might just be in the "rest of world" area?
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Jan 16, 2020 06:42
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ketchup vs catsup posted:Forge war is excellent, only founders is bad. Founders isn't bad, it's just very rough around the edges.
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Safety Biscuits posted:What golden bubble said, and whatever Leder says they're not subsidising shipping, buyers are paying for it elsewhere. Plus, did it cross your mind that these people might just be in the "rest of world" area?
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Safety Biscuits posted:What golden bubble said, and whatever Leder says they're not subsidising shipping, buyers are paying for it elsewhere. Plus, did it cross your mind that these people might just be in the "rest of world" area? Right but my point is why get pissed at the KS organizer for shipping being high? They aren’t in control of shipping costs. It almost sounded like it was $70 across the board, but for the countries listed its aligned with how much shipping costs.
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Jan 16, 2020 12:47
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Doctor Zero posted:Right but my point is why get pissed at the KS organizer for shipping being high? They aren’t in control of shipping costs. It almost sounded like it was $70 across the board, but for the countries listed its aligned with how much shipping costs. It's quite high even for those countries.
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Jan 16, 2020 13:45
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It's quite high even for those countries. Which is annoying but still, not something the KS people can do anything about.
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Doctor Zero posted:Right but my point is why get pissed at the KS organizer for shipping being high? They aren’t in control of shipping costs. It almost sounded like it was $70 across the board, but for the countries listed its aligned with how much shipping costs. Because the average consumer has no idea how shipping costs actually work.
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Jan 16, 2020 13:50
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Kickstarters used to be able to somewhat absorb shipping costs into their base prices, but as I understand it the problem hasn't just been with higher shipping costs, but also increased volatility in those costs. Trying to make shipping costs invisible to the buyer now comes with the risk that they rise so much between pledges and delivery that you lose money overall.
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Jan 16, 2020 13:59
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For comparison here are shipping costs to Australia for some other games. Some of these are smaller / lighter than Oath, some aren't. Gloomhaven - 10 USD Endeavor - 18 CAD Brass - 14 CAD Root+Expac - 15 USD Suburbia CE - 30 USD Valley of the Kings Deluxe - 22 USD Days of Ire & Nights of Fire - 18 USD On Mars - 36 USD
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Jan 16, 2020 14:08
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Can you even ship Gloomhaven from one room to another for  ?
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Can you even ship Gloomhaven from one room to another for I assume Isaac lost money on the copy I bought.
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Shipping here for Pax Pamir was $25 and Oath isn't that much bigger.Zandar posted:Kickstarters used to be able to somewhat absorb shipping costs into their base prices, but as I understand it the problem hasn't just been with higher shipping costs, but also increased volatility in those costs. Trying to make shipping costs invisible to the buyer now comes with the risk that they rise so much between pledges and delivery that you lose money overall. Things are going to be interesting for UK backers. Doctor Zero posted:Right but my point is why get pissed at the KS organizer for shipping being high? They aren’t in control of shipping costs. It almost sounded like it was $70 across the board, but for the countries listed its aligned with how much shipping costs. Your post sounded like you were saying the rest of world customers didn't matter, that's all. I agree it's silly to be pissed off with Leder for something like this, yeah.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I assume Isaac lost money on the copy I bought. Standee only Gloomhaven from the first kickstarter for $64, free shipping 
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Doctor Spaceman posted:For comparison here are shipping costs to Australia for some other games. Some of these are smaller / lighter than Oath, some aren't. Current prices or past? Because shipping isn’t, like, a constant. The current prices are way higher than a few years ago.
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Speaking of giant games, apparently my copy of Empyrial is out for delivery. RIP any remaining space I had for games.
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Apparently whoever delivered Empyreal left it out on the sidewalk on a stormy day, so looking forward to, best case, deal with a waterlogged game and worst case talk to L99 about replacing my stolen shipment. Pretty cool, guy.
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How was the Gloomhaven expansion? I got my copy but my group that played through Gloomhaven probably won't get to it. One of our members tried the new class with a group of newbies in the base game and wasn't impressed. I'm not sure if I should play the expansion solo or try to get the band back together for it before Frosthaven hits. Or I can just leave it boxed away with my second printing of the main game until the kids are old enough.
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GrandpaPants posted:Apparently whoever delivered Empyreal left it out on the sidewalk on a stormy day, so looking forward to, best case, deal with a waterlogged game and worst case talk to L99 about replacing my stolen shipment. Pretty cool, guy. Level 99 KS Update 46 posted:The Situation
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Safety Biscuits posted:Shipping here for Pax Pamir was $25 and Oath isn't that much bigger. Ah sorry. Yeah didn’t mean to sound like that. 
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bagrada posted:How was the Gloomhaven expansion? I got my copy but my group that played through Gloomhaven probably won't get to it. One of our members tried the new class with a group of newbies in the base game and wasn't impressed. I'm not sure if I should play the expansion solo or try to get the band back together for it before Frosthaven hits. Or I can just leave it boxed away with my second printing of the main game until the kids are old enough. Diviner's a weird class. In the right hands with a capable group, she's incredibly powerful. Without both those things - a very capable player and a tactically-minded group - she's not gonna work out so well.
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Jan 16, 2020 21:47
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Yall ready for a reboot of some classic Monte Cook insanity? Sure you are.
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Aw, I was hoping MCWoD.
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Here. I. GO. https://twitter.com/blue_troller/status/1217921553624641552?s=20
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JazzFlight posted:Add to that the possible damage to the game before it even got shipped: I've got a few slight scuffs here and there and my boxes got some minor shipping damage, but nothing game-altering.
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bagrada posted:How was the Gloomhaven expansion? I got my copy but my group that played through Gloomhaven probably won't get to it. One of our members tried the new class with a group of newbies in the base game and wasn't impressed. I'm not sure if I should play the expansion solo or try to get the band back together for it before Frosthaven hits. Or I can just leave it boxed away with my second printing of the main game until the kids are old enough. The expac class is best left til Forgotten Circles itself. FC isn't going to be for everyone either. The other thing to wait for is
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Reading those dev diaries for Oath is making me more and more excited each one I read. Probably having played a lot of Root recently has helped with my attitude towards Leder.Joe Slowboat posted:Troika's dragons are beings of pure hyperlight that soar through space, geometrically and metaphysically incorruptible. This means that they can and do indulge in wanton destruction, avarice, seeking forbidden knowledge and random acts of cruelty, because they revel in the fact that nothing can ever make them less perfect than they are by nature. I'm sold. That Turtle's on the paleozoic page is doing a lot of heavy lifting as well.
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Echophonic posted:I've got a few slight scuffs here and there and my boxes got some minor shipping damage, but nothing game-altering.
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JazzFlight posted:Yeah, I did a spot check and I'd say I'm either one of the undamaged productions or they just have higher standards of what's acceptable. There are some extremely minor scuffs on the deluxe boards that show up since they're black, but that's unavoidable wear and tear on any material like that. No ink leaks or stuck together punchboards like they were warning about. I did end up with some punchboard glue issues on my expansion, after going through it. Also a few nicks on the inside of a a Deluxe board.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The expac class is best left til Forgotten Circles itself. FC isn't going to be for everyone either. dwarf74 posted:It's gotten mixed reviews. If you enjoy puzzles and scenarios with weird win conditions, it will be up your alley. Thanks and drat I don't know how I missed Jaws of the Lion.
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For all the funny and inventive writing, Troika is still just a crusty-rear end D&D retroclone, sadly. I wish the setting and class writing was tied to a better system. 
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