Dementropy posted:

Dementropy posted:

"An extra static train can appear at Lorville and prevent the use of trains"

Spiderdrake posted:

I got this image in my head of Chris Roberts sinking millions of dollars into an accurate simulation of the death of a spaceman in zero G where the rail gun perforates his bowels and he flies around with his detritus based propulsion system. Roberts just flapping his meaty paws describing how it "should" look and intern after intern quitting when he describes swimming in space.

I wonder if Chris has seriously asked around for zero-G mocap now that I think about it

peter gabriel posted:

Thanks all you rock

It'll be a while but I am in the queue or something now, I'll be press studding all kinds of crap to my head no doubt, I am thinking of balloons or kites or something

Sum Mors posted:

what sense of reward do you get from Elite Dangerous (hereafter reffered to as ED for the sake of brevity) for grinding so long and hard?

Gothsheep posted:

Star Citizen Kill On Sight list:

Doors
That anti-air truck (Stay outside of 2km while killing)
Vic's Mom (Uncredited)
Anybody with an open box on their ship
Gary Oldman's huge lips


I'm still kind of new to the garbage fire. Am I forgetting anyone?

Sum Mors posted:

<long Erectile: Dysfunction rant that should have been quoted>

Quavers posted:

However it has been stated that

Quavers posted:

Maybe I'm just getting cranky in my old age, but...

...I'm getting tired of seeing posts and replies here and on Spectrum from people who obviously know less than nothing about large-scale project management, PR, software development, software testing, or running a business, going on and on about all of the things that CIG is doing "wrong" and SC would be so much better if CIG would just listen to them and their super easy/simple ideas.

I get that people have a significant emotional and financial investment in Star Citizen, but holy forking shirtballs, some of y'all need to calm the fork down and quit running off at the mouth about stuff you very obviously know nothing about.

CIG is giving us unparalleled levels of access to see the development process, and 99.9999999% of the stuff people insist are CIG doing something "wrong" are literally how things work in large-scale projects, software development, testing, and/or corporations.

Yes, it's normal for significant portions of a company's website to not get updated for a period of months or years, no matter how "easy" it would be to make the changes you want them to.

Yes, it's normal for a software bug to go un-fixed for months or years (or never actually get fixed at all.) And it's not because the developers are lazy, incompetent, or malicious. They're dealing with many millions of lines of code that in turn depend on tools and engines that in and of themselves will have bugs and unexpected behaviours. Sometimes finding and fixing a bug is easy. Sometimes it's difficult. Sometimes it's impossible.

Yes, it's normal for a company to adjust their priorities and staffing allocations regularly and is in no way an indication that they're inexperienced, don't know what they're doing, and/or doomed to fail.

Yes, it's normal for PR and Marketing to hype things that aren't ready to go, won't be ready to go any time soon, and when they're finally ready to go aren't like what was originally presented.

Yes, it's normal for customer support to get swamped at times and take a long while to get back to you. They're not deliberately ignoring you, and they're not trying to rip you off.

Yes, it's normal for corporations to face legal challenges (that's why any company of any decent size has a Legal Department), and no the Crytek lawsuit is not indicative of mismanagement at CIG, nor is it a particularly unusual case. Once a company reaches a certain size and/or revenue stream, they're going to get sued by stupid people making stupid claims, especially if those stupid people used to be business partners.

Yes, it's normal for one development team to not know the specifics of what another development team is working on. Knowing that stuff is the purview of Project Managers, not the code wranglers.

Yes, it's normal to release a build of the software for testing specific issues without telling the testers every specific thing that they're wanting to test, why they might be testing various features, what their plans are in relation to testing a given feature, or how they're specifically testing that feature. (CIG actually gives us more of this information than most developers usually give even their internal testing groups.)

Yes, it's normal for an alpha to break, run poorly, lack significant features and functionality, and lose features and functionality from update to update. That's literally what an alpha is. (Also, if you ever find yourself starting a sentence in a post or comment with, "I know this is an alpha, but...", stop right there and delete whatever you were going to type before you embarrass yourself by showing everyone that you don't, in fact, know that this is an alpha.)

And no, CIG does not owe you an apology simply because you don't know or understand any of the above.

/rant

Beet Wagon posted:

Lol I literally can't imagine anything more heart wrenchingly lame than having a "kill on sight" list for an mmo, with the possible exception of spending your free time thinking about the "kill on sight" list you're positive your enemies have.

Fargin Icehole posted:

So it's so transparent that you have to be in the business to understand what they are doing?

Mailer posted:

They all hate E:D so much and it's hilarious. The Frontier forums are the same people yelling about the same levels of simulation/realism/whatever. If Elite ever implements spacelegs I am sure that they'll demand long 1:1 walks around massive space stations to sell goods or talk to factions and anything less is a slap in the face to the true fans. The only dividing line between the two groups is which space game they chose to get behind in 2012. If the SC people argued for the actual game instead of dreams.txt then they'd be screaming about how inferior Elite is for abstracting box collection and delivery.

quote:

: I think your point on Elite Dangerous varies by person.

Seems like quite a few think that its got a better loop (than SC) even right now, but really only if they get over the fact that it is star citizen.

The Titanic posted:

Doubt it. CR has never understood zero gravity.

Blue On Blue posted:

I like how their list of known issues then goes into 'work arounds' which is just one work around, and then another 20 bugs with no way to fix them lol

Pixelate posted:

Tales of Persistence

Gothsheep posted:

Star Citizen Kill On Sight list:

Doors
That anti-air truck (Stay outside of 2km while killing)
Vic's Mom (Uncredited)
Anybody with an open box on their ship
Gary Oldman's huge lips


I'm still kind of new to the garbage fire. Am I forgetting anyone?

Colostomy Bag posted:

Hate crimes against a video game. What a time to be alive.

posted:

So imagine day one of launch

Sabreseven posted:

They do have a particular dislike for ED for sure, from the brown sea in a discussion about some poo poo, some people were comparing ED and SC so :


They are weird there, don't go, it's very culty in an incredibly creepy sense. It's like they are all holding hands while brown nosing CR. They still haven't noticed the lack of 'G' from CI yet.

Virtual Captain posted:

CHRRRRRIIIIIIIIISSSSS!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIGQSgifs6s

Quavers posted:

Prediction: If they implement the type of economy presented at CitizenCon 2019 and keep the current pay for ships policy, then the game is going to end up being a pay-to-enjoy disaster that is only fun for whale controlled organizations.

I realize this community recoils in horror whenever they hear the words pay to win and preach "there is no winning" so then lets call it pay to enjoy. With the way the economy has currently been explained there are going to be limited resources traded among the various planets with npcs doing a vast amount of the resource transport as they have been reported to outnumber players 9:1. Now at first it might seem that with npcs outnumbering players but such a high margin it might not matter if some people start the game with a massive ship advantage. However it has been stated that piracy along npc trade lines will be possible. So imagine day one of launch a whale comprised org decides to use their top of the line ships in order to completely take over some of the most lucrative trade paths with mass npc piracy. In theory a powerful organization could end up completely dominating the supply and demand of certain minerals and other goods, this would cause the price to skyrocket making anything that requires the monopolized goods or minerals out of reach for your average player.

If a system has a finite amount of resources and the game launches with a subset of players having a massive fleet advantage then you can basically guarantee that monopolies will quickly emerge and the players that haven't spent thousands of dollars on the game will be left with nothing but the scraps that the whale orgs decide they don't want.

"But you can earn all the ships with in game money, you will be able to compete eventually!!!"

Sure you can buy ships with in-game money but market price for goods will likely settle on whatever whale orgs are willing to pay for them which will only increase the grind required for non whales to catch up. If whales can and do creates monopolies in the way that I fear it will demolish new player progression. It could be years before the $60 dollar players get close to even the day one level of influence and power that whales will have.

TLDR: Imagine having a sandbox with a limited amount of sand. Player 1 starts with a shovel and player 2 starts with a excavator. The excavator player ends up digging up all the sand leaving nothing for Player 1.

I believe that whale orgs will have such a negative and disheartening effect on the economy that it will ruin the games initial launch and overall potential.

Dementropy posted:

The likely real reason your sub is closed is because there is some panic level steam cleaning going on behind the scenes because there are a lot of memes and threads discussing the matter and CryTek begging the court for a dismissal wasn't ever on you guys even most remote chance of an outcome.

Asmodai_00 posted:

DapperDon posted:

This is a lot of words to talk about a game that is never going to release or enjoy the commercial success they would if they did.