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I work at a small nursery and there's a decent chance we don't make it out of this situation intact.Sydin posted:"In this time of crisis we propose to pull out all the stops to help the poor and financially strained, by allowing them to incur even more debt!" - The "left-wing" American political party. Major realignment coming when the loving Republicans are proposing non-means-tested cash transfers in a crisis.
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tmm3k posted:Glad my county is halting evictions, but it should be statewide. Just call a fuckin' rent and mortgage holiday you cowards. Banks can already borrow money at 0% and can absorb the lost revenue like the rest of us.
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Mar 18, 2020 15:19
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Kenning posted:I work at a small nursery and there's a decent chance we don't make it out of this situation intact. Looking forward to the GOP becoming neo-Strasserists and Dems solidifying their neoliberal identity and leftists being put in a very awkward situation.
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Mar 18, 2020 15:25
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FCKGW posted:OC Health just reversed this order and said everyone read it the wrong way Lol they could not have handled this worse. No one read it the wrong way, they wrote it and it read like shelter in place.
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Mar 18, 2020 15:48
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Looking forward to the GOP becoming neo-Strasserists and Dems solidifying their neoliberal identity and leftists being put in a very awkward situation.
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Mar 18, 2020 15:54
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:If I fully close I'll lose 50,000 a week. I have reserves to pay employees for 4 weeks. Right now my dilemma is to pay everyone for 4 weeks then layoffs non-critical staff to bring payroll to 10% so I can survive. I had bought a mega generator system months ago due to the fires. many small biz owners are going to be in the same position with no reserve. Layoffs will be bad. I have to basically split my personnel in half. 1 half-life with their parents the other half solo. So I'd layoff the home people first or send them home week 1 and say get unemployment till I can bring you back. If you make $50,000 a week, why do you not have the savings to weather a storm like this? Edit* In short: Go find your bootstraps. Your poor financial decisions are not my problem. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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ratbert90 posted:If you make $50,000 a week, why do you not have the savings to weather a storm like this? 
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ratbert90 posted:If you make $50,000 a week, why do you not have the savings to weather a storm like this?
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Mar 18, 2020 16:12
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Looking forward to the GOP becoming neo-Strasserists and Dems solidifying their neoliberal identity and leftists being put in a very awkward situation. Horseshoe theory is real!!
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Mar 18, 2020 16:20
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Kenning posted:I work at a small nursery and there's a decent chance we don't make it out of this situation intact. To be fair, Democrats who aren't Kamala Harris (or Bernie) are proposing good UBI systems. The Bennet-Booker-Brown bill looks pretty good
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Mar 18, 2020 16:20
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Rah! posted:lmao if we dont get socialism out of all this we deserve to die We probably won't. Trump's core in the Republican party would go absolutely nuts if non-white folks got equal benefits from a government program, that's literally the core of the Southern Strategy and Trump was and is super open about "illegals" and people who "don't deserve" benefits. This is why they keep pushing on the SNAP changes even during the crisis. Democrats can't abandon the notion that there's some way within the current paradigm of handling this crisis, because the idea of going to back to a great depression / WW2 command economy is just not an option that a decent chunk of them could consider, even though that's probably the only way of handling what's going on, nationalizing every industry that is failing and still necessary for the country (ie, gently caress cruise lines). I give it a month before the realization sets in that it's just simply not possible to prop up the system as it existed pre-crisis until this is all over. We were already in a massive financial bubble/clusterfuck that would cause issues if unwound, and instead it's unwinding real loving quickly on top of the actual massive economic disruption as the entire country goes in to lockdown all at once because we couldn't be arsed to attempt to contain/limit the spread.
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Mar 18, 2020 16:37
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I want a command economy. I actively desire it.
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CopperHound posted:I hope you are being sarcastic, because I don't want to try imagining someone dumb enough to have this kind of grasp on business cash flow. If your well-established business can't survive a few months of economic downturn, your well-established business doesn't deserve to exist.
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ratbert90 posted:If your well-established business can't survive a few months of economic downturn, your well-established business doesn't deserve to exist. What if I told you that applied equally to businesses that do have cash on hand?
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"Economic downturn" is one thing. "Complete shutdown of cash flow" is a tad more serious.
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Trabisnikof posted:What if I told you that applied equally to businesses that do have cash on hand? What if I told you I don't care, and that non-business owners would receive no sympathy either.
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ratbert90 posted:If your well-established business can't survive a few months of economic downturn, your well-established business doesn't deserve to exist. So what exactly are your credentials for this horrible opinion? Did you manage Enron
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Well I no longer have to layoff half my staff so I'm stoked
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:So what exactly are your credentials for this horrible opinion? Did you manage Enron Oh, I'm sorry, that would have been the exact same thing business owners would tell an employee who was just laid off.
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ratbert90 is either trolling or an odious person, either way they're not worth talking to report and move on. I agree with others here that rent and mortgages should be suspended. https://baytanc.com/suspendrent/
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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:ratbert90 is either trolling or an odious person, either way they're not worth talking to report and move on. I'm not trolling. When I was laid off in 2008 from my $15/hr job at a call center, the directors told all the employees that if they have financial trouble that they should have saved for economic troubles. That moment is seared into my memory of the callous lack of empathy or sympathy from business owners, and now they want sympathy in kind?
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ratbert90 posted:I'm not trolling. When I was laid off in 2008 from my $15/hr job at a call center, the directors told all the employees that if they have financial trouble that they should have saved for economic troubles. That moment is seared into my memory of the callous lack of empathy or sympathy from business owners, and now they want sympathy in kind? Ok sorry for misunderstanding you. I had the impression you just were being "let them eat cake" callous about everyone - employees and employers included. I don't have a good answer for your larger point so I'll shut up and remove myself from your discussion.
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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:Ok sorry for misunderstanding you. I had the impression you just were being "let them eat cake" callous about everyone - employees and employers included. Oh lord no, I have callous for business owners in general, especially ones that cry when they are making 50k a month. Employees are cool and good.
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Another org for tenants: https://www.acceaction.org/
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ratbert90 posted:Oh lord no, I have callous for business owners in general, especially ones that cry when they are making 50k a month. Lease & utilities: $10,000 Supplies: $12,000 Payroll: $26,000 Personal take home: $2,000 Someone who is good at numbers, please help me out, my business is dying.
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CopperHound posted:Income: $0 There, I fixed it for you. Edit* Or in the case of large companies: Income: $0 Lease & utilities: $1,000,000 Supplies: $12,000,000 Payroll: $16,000,000 Personal take home: $10,000,000 Stock buybacks: $360,000,000 Someone who is good at numbers, please help me out, my business is dying. FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Mar 18, 2020 |
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Mar 18, 2020 18:55
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ratbert90 posted:There, I fixed it for you. Do one for small businesses instead of Fortune 500s.
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Small business owners, like large business owners, do nothing but steal from their employees.
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fermun posted:Small business owners, like large business owners, do nothing but steal from their employees.
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fermun posted:Small business owners, like large business owners, do nothing but steal from their employees. You sound like fun. I heard Newsom is considering closing schools for the rest of the academic year. Is there any plans for childcare or financial support for those kids? Who is helping the kids who don’t have reliable internet for distance learning?
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'm guessing you're looking forward to the increased pizza demand? Weed demand has loving doubled. Pizza demand will increase surely
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I remember going to a Bernie canvass and when we were introducing ourselves one lady said they were a "socialist business entrepreneur" and I was very confused. Deadass that's not one of you right.
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"Haha I'm glad these capitalist pigs are eating poo poo" is missing the forest for the trees The capitalists will be fine because in case you forgot that's how the system is set up. The workers are going to lose all of their savings and then their homes and they will be told it's their fault for being lazy.
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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:I remember going to a Bernie canvass and when we were introducing ourselves one lady said they were a "socialist business entrepreneur" and I was very confused. Deadass that's not one of you right.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Weed demand has loving doubled. Pizza demand will increase surely I got enough for a month and a half instead of 2-3 weeks because I'm expecting the shops to close. Flicking digital assignments at my students and watching my wife play the original FF7 for the first time, do we ever need to open the schools? This is much better.
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My small business owner friend #1 has had a catastrophic loss in business and his wife was just suspended from work with no pay. He's not going to make his mortgage payment next month and hope for the best. Awful!!!!The Wiggly Wizard posted:"Haha I'm glad these capitalist pigs are eating poo poo" is missing the forest for the trees It's not even "the capitalists". It's the corps and the rich. Small business owners with normal margins are absolutely hosed!!!!
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:My small business owner friend #1 has had a catastrophic loss in business and his wife was just suspended from work with no pay. He's not going to make his mortgage payment next month and hope for the best. Awful!!!! Well, at least he can't be foreclosed for now.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:My small business owner friend #1 has had a catastrophic loss in business and his wife was just suspended from work with no pay. He's not going to make his mortgage payment next month and hope for the best. Awful!!!! Yeah, this time it's the proles AND the petit bourgeoisie getting the shaft.
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spunkshui posted:I got enough for a month and a half instead of 2-3 weeks because I'm expecting the shops to close. So full luxury gay communism is working? My wife doesn't play games much at all. So I built a small emu machine so we can play PS2 together, it's been interesting for her to learn moving controls on timesplitters 2 gamecube. I think I need to find an easier game to play 2 person... Baldurs gate da2 probably. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 18, 2020 |
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Yeah, this time it's the proles AND the petit bourgeoisie getting the shaft.
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