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Beachcomber posted:A master of anbo-jyutsu. The best part of how dumb anbo-jyutsu is, is when he comments that Riker "never could get over the sightless factor" Like, that's the entire point of the sport! It's like saying how Riker never managed to hold a tennis racket, or never got the hang of hitting a ball without letting go of the bat.
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Grand Fromage posted:HD DS9 you cowards. Do it to drive people to sign up for your stupid streaming service, it'd work. Make the commitment to do both DS9 and Voyager and you'll get enough subs to pay for both. Release them weekly again. Make it an event. I'd finally sub for that
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Yeah, I have all access through Amazon set to expire after the season ends, but if they announced a weekly DS9 remaster I'd be signed up for the 3-4 year duration it'd take to release it all. DS9 is one of the few things I still own on DVD.
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Mar 24, 2020 23:37
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Arglebargle III posted:Who's that guy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLQYDb4s9Zo&t=17s
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The Bloop posted:Make the commitment to do both DS9 and Voyager and you'll get enough subs to pay for both. Release them weekly again. Make it an event. Yep. Do DS9 then Voyager to draw it out even more if CBS wants. Just do it.
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Mar 25, 2020 00:10
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CBS All Access is now free for a month, apply code GIFT to your account (not sure if it works on existing accounts or only new ones). Can't think of any reason to use it, though.
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Mar 25, 2020 01:56
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Grand Fromage posted:Yep. Do DS9 then Voyager to draw it out even more if CBS wants. Just do it. That's just setting up direct sequel series, which is not something I want for either.
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Mar 25, 2020 02:21
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McSpanky posted:CBS All Access is now free for a month, apply code GIFT to your account (not sure if it works on existing accounts or only new ones). When does “The Stand” come out?
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:When does “The Stand” come out? Glances outside... Somehow I'm gonna guess a long time from now.
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Grand Fromage posted:HD DS9 you cowards. Do it to drive people to sign up for your stupid streaming service, it'd work. I'm pretty strongly committed against All Access, but even I would sign up for this.
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Mar 25, 2020 03:33
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Timby posted:Fun fact: Mitchell Ryan got fired from Dark Shadows because he wouldn't stop showing up for work hammer-drunk. It was a drat shame because he was the Superior Burke Devlin. Mister Kingdom posted:I've been binge-watching the classic Gothic soap opera Dark Shadows and this fellow, Burke Devlin, the villian, looked awfully familiar: I watched as a kid, and have been rewatching over the past few months in anticipation of the new show. Do yourself a favor and read this amazing and funny blog as you go: https://darkshadowseveryday.com/episode-guide/
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bull3964 posted:I mean, gently caress it. If you don't want to go full balls to the wall TNG style, at least scan the live actions shots and AI upsacle the SFX shots as a happy medium to balance time and cost. This isn't quite as easy as it sounds because there's more to SFX shots than just spaceship exteriors. Like, every time someone shoots a phaser, or every time Odo goes blobby, that's an SFX shot.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:This isn't quite as easy as it sounds because there's more to SFX shots than just spaceship exteriors. Like, every time someone shoots a phaser, or every time Odo goes blobby, that's an SFX shot. Yes, I know, but it's still only a handful of minutes per episode. Anything is better than nothing.
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bull3964 posted:Glances outside... Damnit. I didn’t even think of this 
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:This isn't quite as easy as it sounds because there's more to SFX shots than just spaceship exteriors. Like, every time someone shoots a phaser, or every time Odo goes blobby, that's an SFX shot. I'd be fine with them just scanning 35mm film for non-SFX shots and AI upscaling the SFX shots.
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Then you get this weird effect where every time they punch something up on a screen or fire a phaser the lighting and balance shifts and the quality drops for the duration of the effect and snaps back at the end. B5 had this issue sometimes because they lost the effect masters.
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The alternative is we get nothing and the film elements continue to degrade in storage. There's a finite window in which a restoration is feasible, every day that passes increases the age of the masters and increases the risk that we could have something happen that can cause footage to get misplaced or destroyed.
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Studios are sitting on a mountain of SD footage that looks like absolute poo poo on any display sold today, they're well served figuring out this AI upscaling stuff as soon as possible.
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Mar 26, 2020 14:15
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Scanning the negatives even if no full HD conversion project is on the horizon should be a given, an act of good stewardship of archived material. You know, if anyone cared.
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Hell I don't know why studios haven't taken advantage of crowdfunding projects like this, if they're so financially risk averse. An independently produced documentary about DS9 pulled over $600K alone. It seems like sourcing enough funds for a full TNG style remaster wouldn't be a problem, so I don't get it.
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Mar 26, 2020 14:58
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TNG cost ~$12 million, DS9 would be a fair bit more.
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MikeJF posted:TNG cost ~$12 million, DS9 would be a fair bit more. Isn't any if that cost suck into equipment/techniques/ learning curve that would apply
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MikeJF posted:TNG cost ~$12 million, DS9 would be a fair bit more. $12 million for the full restoration. So simply scanning the film in HD for archival shouldn't be anywhere near as expensive. The TNG stuff was also done almost a decade ago so some aspects of this workflow have become cheaper and more common over time. There are also new tools. ML video analysis didn't even exist back then but could likely be used to greatly speed up the process of finding the correct takes from scanned footage to speed up the editing of the episodes. "Show me every clip that has Odo, Kira, and Sisko in these general positions in the frame" is a thing we can do now. I don't know if anyone has built ML driven automatic editing tools yet, but it seems like a no-brainer now. Bulk scan footage in, do facial and object recognition to build a database of clips, then use audio analysis to assemble clips to roughly match the broadcast take. Then you bring in human editors to validate and fine tune. Yes, SFX and such would require time and money to do properly, but the editing workflow shouldn't be anywhere near as difficult as it was when they did TNG.
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There are super fans that would work on this for a loving EP credit or less. People who could really help. Crowdsource some of the actual work from techy trekkies
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150,000 people keeping an all-access sub for a single year would be over $12 million. That's at the lower subscription tier which also has advertising, so that's additional revenue on top of that. Like I said, if Viacom/CBS cannot figure out a way to monetize this and have it pay off the investment, they are pants on head stupid.
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Wasn't a lot of the work finding the reels in the first place? And they're not edited reels either, it's just the 100% raw, uncut footage.
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Kazy posted:Wasn't a lot of the work finding the reels in the first place? And they're not edited reels either, it's just the 100% raw, uncut footage. Yes, which is what I addressed above. There's technology now that simply didn't exist 8 years ago when the TNG remasters were done. https://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/adobe-stanford-ai-video-editor/ That demonstration is almost 3 years old and being asked to do a lot more complexity than matching an existing broadcast edit. This shouldn't have to be as manual a process now. Scan it all and let computers sort it.
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Kazy posted:Wasn't a lot of the work finding the reels in the first place? And they're not edited reels either, it's just the 100% raw, uncut footage. Right, they’d have to find all the correct takes and re-edit entire episodes. It’s not as simple as taking the old reels and scanning them in HD. You basically have to reassemble the entire series while adding new FX shots.
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That's AI is pretty amazing. Hell, you could probably teach it to match the image using the existing broadcast tapes as a reference image and speed it up even more.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Right, they’d have to find all the correct takes and re-edit entire episodes. It’s not as simple as taking the old reels and scanning them in HD. You basically have to reassemble the entire series while adding new FX shots. Let IBM's Watson find and edit the correct takes in against the source.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Let IBM's Watson find and edit the correct takes in against the source. Plus give us more bloopers and an entire reel of Bashir intentionally loving up his robot lines
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The Bloop posted:Plus give us more bloopers and an entire reel of Bashir intentionally loving up his robot lines I'm all after the first take of Avery Brooks playing Joran which they allegedly had to reshoot as his performance was considered too scary!
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The Bloop posted:Plus give us more bloopers and an entire reel of Bashir intentionally loving up his robot lines https://i.imgur.com/58S7hMy.mp4
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DS9 is good but it will never get a remaster.
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Mar 26, 2020 20:52
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Shut the gently caress up pick
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Pick posted:DS9 is good but it will never get a remaster. If the actual owners don't do a proper remaster, then at some point we're sure to see an unofficial fan-made upscale of the whole show. It's a lot like how Lucas kept refusing to release a decent HD version of Star Wars, so fans made the Despecialized Edition and released it on the high seas. True, seven seasons of a show is a lot more video than three movies, but it should also take a lot less TLC. Basically just let the algorithm go to town on it all, and then do reactive cleaning-up as needed.
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Pick posted:DS9 is good but it will never get a remaster. 
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