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Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Jesus

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1257814281330069504


quote:

When you were young
And your heart was an open book
You used to say live and let live
You know you did

You know you did
You know you did
But if this ever changin'
In which we live in

Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die
Live and let die

What does it matter to ya
When ya got a job to do
Ya got to do it well
You got to give the other fella hell

You used to say live and let live
You know you did
You know you did
You know you did

But if this ever changin'
In which we live in
Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die
Live and let die


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Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Willo567 posted:

Wow, so shocking that piss baby doesn't wanna wear a mask.

At this point, it's a question of when he'll get COVID-19, not if

Honestly, he won't. And if he does, he'll recover quickly. Despite having the diet of a 4th grader and being a fat slob, he has strangely good health. Who would have guessed alcohol is bad for your health

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Herstory Begins Now posted:

https://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/1257786917552377856?s=20

There's a beautiful irony to them being in front of a big sign proclaiming socialism (though for real what is that, a socialist fishermen's house?)

That's clearly a house of socialist fish

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Also lmao they invaded Chuao. Who was paying them, Valrhona?

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





Hairy Marionette posted:

Are you saying that should cut off funding to red states if Democrats take over the federal government next year?
No. The post I quoted seemed to be talking about "Trumpian tactics" in a general sense and using this as one example of it. Like, because I want candidates who listen to their constituency and act on their desires, then as a leftist I am somehow guilty of being like Trump. Nevermind what the desires are.

To be clear, what Cenk is talking about is terrible and he sucks. But using his example as some kind of own on the left like we're all just like Trump supporters - and yeah, there is a lot of that going around - is incredibly disingenuous and that's what I'm responding to.

And all the others who read my post, missed the point, and quoted me with this or that sick own, you can take this response to this post as a response to yours.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

And yet the most damning thing in that tweet is that Donald Trump considers Jimmy Fallon to be a “nice guy”. As if you didn’t need any more proof that Jimmy Fallon is a godawful waste of space, Donald Trump legitimately likes him.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/1257808304153268230
Dear leader got 9 holes in one during a single golf game, don't y'all know

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1257768408256409601

how bad was it?

Doctor Teeth
Sep 12, 2008


Herstory Begins Now posted:

https://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/1257786917552377856?s=20

There's a beautiful irony to them being in front of a big sign proclaiming socialism (though for real what is that, a socialist fishermen's house?)

It was nice of the fisherman to put them in the shade :)

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Spaced God posted:

https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/1257808304153268230
Dear leader got 9 holes in one during a single golf game, don't y'all know

jesus. its gross how he has to be the very best at everything though apparently he was a big jock in college.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Spaced God posted:

https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/1257808304153268230
Dear leader got 9 holes in one during a single golf game, don't y'all know

Sounds like he needs to go to more baseball games and get booed into oblivion then.

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

What on earth makes you think that Republican voters suffering will lead to any other conclusion in their brains beyond "gently caress the Dems, they need to be destroyed"?

This is accelerationist thinking. If we gently caress over <insert group here> then certainly this time, THIS TIME they'll come around to my way of thinking!!!
Do you also advocate for the reinstitution of the filibuster on judicial nominees if the Democrats win the Senate and presidency? Is not doing that accelerationism?

I don't want the norms to be broken. But once they are, we live in a world where they're broken. It's not accelerationism to refuse to pretend they're still there. If we take a punch in the face, we need to give a punch back. Maybe eventually everyone will get tired of being punched in the face and want to stop. Maybe they won't, and it will just get worse and worse. But it will be no worse than if we just repeatedly get punched in the face and do nothing in return.

Wilbur Swain
Sep 13, 2007

These are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1257785478956417030


https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1257802182876975104

TheOneAndOnlyT
Dec 18, 2005

Well well, mister fancy-pants, I hope you're wearing your matching sweater today, or you'll be cut down like the ugly tree you are.

Inferior Third Season posted:

Do you also advocate for the reinstitution of the filibuster on judicial nominees if the Democrats win the Senate and presidency?
... No? I'm not sure what your point is here.

Inferior Third Season posted:

I don't want the norms to be broken. But once they are, we live in a world where they're broken. It's not accelerationism to refuse to pretend they're still there. If we take a punch in the face, we need to give a punch back. Maybe eventually everyone will get tired of being punched in the face and want to stop. Maybe they won't, and it will just get worse and worse. But it will be no worse than if we just repeatedly get punched in the face and do nothing in return.
There's a pretty big difference between "we shouldn't re-establish norms that aren't helpful" and "we should deliberately gently caress over people who vote Republican (and also the Democratic voters who happen to live near them)." Where's the guarantee that when the Republicans next gain power, they won't just try to gently caress blue states over harder? Maybe instead of waiting for people to get tired of getting punched in the face, we should (mostly) stop punching. That doesn't mean going back to full :decorum:, but it will probably entail doing things that help Republican voters in addition to Democratic ones.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Doctor Teeth posted:

It was nice of the fisherman to put them in the shade :)

Oh, they've gotten shade from all across the spectrum. And that's just in this thread !

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



https://twitter.com/srl/status/1257810559308894221

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

In his desire to one-up Obama at everything, Trump finds a way to surpass " 'Yes we can'...but" from The Daily Show.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1257803435988127749

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1257805422590902272

The thumbnail for the first video in the tweets above is :discourse:

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Welp

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1257804182171549697

bobjr
Oct 16, 2012

Roose is loose.
🐓🐓🐓✊🪧

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1257802946034561024?s=20

The chairs look so weird here, with Trump looking like he has really tiny legs.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

bobjr posted:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1257802946034561024?s=20

The chairs look so weird here, with Trump looking like he has really tiny legs.

He looks like a child being scolded.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Angry_Ed posted:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1257805422590902272

The thumbnail for the first video in the tweets above is :discourse:

yeah, he is both out of his depth and narcissistic as gently caress about it as well. like jesus gently caress. the way he shows the paper and constantly compares and whines. he looks and acts like a kid who got caught. like its this obvious serious news thing and he is sitting in a chair like a kid who got caught flunking his report card and than trying to fake it.

Wilbur Swain
Sep 13, 2007

These are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
I keep waiting for someone to call him out on his claim that the US has tested more people than every other country put together. It's so easy to disprove.

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

... No? I'm not sure what your point is here.

There's a pretty big difference between "we shouldn't re-establish norms that aren't helpful" and "we should deliberately gently caress over people who vote Republican (and also the Democratic voters who happen to live near them)." Where's the guarantee that when the Republicans next gain power, they won't just try to gently caress blue states over harder? Maybe instead of waiting for people to get tired of getting punched in the face, we should (mostly) stop punching. That doesn't mean going back to full :decorum:, but it will probably entail doing things that help Republican voters in addition to Democratic ones.

I think there is a large amount of those on the left that feel like they should start punching back in a big way. You have had 25 years of the right punching the center and left and they keep asking for another. You have a feeling that there is no one fighting for them in government and frankly that seems to be mostly true.

Frankly I think the days for the union is numbered. We have been speeding on this path for decades now and the Trump era and especially COVID-19 has accelerated it. It may not be months from now or even a year but it is coming. The United States is an empty shell that has been rotten and stripped from the inside for anything worth looting. Capitalism has failed, which we are going to see the fallout from this in the coming months. I have said it before, we are a failed nation.

This should have been a time for everyone to have come together as a nation and work together. Instead from the very start it was used as yet another way to divid, grift and punish those who are different; politically, economically or ethnically.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Wilbur Swain posted:

I keep waiting for someone to call him out on his claim that the US has tested more people than every other country put together. It's so easy to disprove.

i think they did at one point and he just bitched and screamed at them.
https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/1257802296064389125

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
https://twitter.com/trrvvb/status/1257759188597571592

https://twitter.com/yeah_good_okay/status/1257777427217969153

Wilbur Swain
Sep 13, 2007

These are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i think they did at one point and he just bitched and screamed at them.
https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/1257802296064389125

He said that today?! We'll be at at least 150,000 in another 30 days, at a minimum.

Hairy Marionette
Apr 22, 2005

I am not immune to propaganda

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

No. The post I quoted seemed to be talking about "Trumpian tactics" in a general sense and using this as one example of it. Like, because I want candidates who listen to their constituency and act on their desires, then as a leftist I am somehow guilty of being like Trump. Nevermind what the desires are.

To be clear, what Cenk is talking about is terrible and he sucks. But using his example as some kind of own on the left like we're all just like Trump supporters - and yeah, there is a lot of that going around - is incredibly disingenuous and that's what I'm responding to.

And all the others who read my post, missed the point, and quoted me with this or that sick own, you can take this response to this post as a response to yours.

Now it makes a lot more sense. I’d interpreted the OP as calling Cenk a fake leftist. Aren’t the ambiguities of text fun?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Wilbur Swain posted:

He said that today?! We'll be at at least 150,000 in another 30 days, at a minimum.

its because he has stopped paying attention pretty much.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
It's endless.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1257779008953028613

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1257708274583027714

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Mask just really completely off huh

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

paperwind posted:

Oh gently caress man what have you done to the thread.

Welp. I’m out until tomorrow. Later, guys

Dick Trauma posted:

Is it ok to say "gently caress this guy" because gently caress this guy.

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1257773851355701248

Nah he said it like poo poo but he’s kinda sorta right honestly. I almost got into a fistfight with a boomer chud in a hotel bar in China, of all places, back during hurricane sandy.

Motherfucker was yucking it up to the idea of “NYC liberals being unable to get to their lattes” while 11 feet of seawater were pouring into the subway station on the tv screen.

And then when republicans like Cruz blocked aid funding to the Northeast a few weeks later....

The fallacy that the heartland failure states are somehow supporting the ungrateful/undeserving welfare queens, illegal immigrants, lazy millennials, queers, and minorities and not the other way around needs to die hard. It speaks directly to the conservative dogma that liberal society is corrupt and decaying and must be brought to heel.

It distorts the national conversation about resources, political power, and cultural influence. People ITT constantly complain about the unfair and skewed representative advantage that the GOP has (for example in Congress) with regards to land and rural support. Power of the Purse is one of the few ways we can still reassert power. It’s why when states like California and CT (and lots of private sector and the NBA, etc...) boycotted NC it had a real impact on their economic bottom line.

Nobody here complained about hurting the poor people of NC when that was going on.

Hairy Marionette posted:

Are you saying that should cut off funding to red states if Democrats take over the federal government next year?

Yes. And force them to adopt poo poo like common core standards if they want their money spigot turned back on.

It’s how the Feds enforce the legal minimum drinking age, and has historically been one of the ways to force compliance with civil rights and environmental ordinances from reticent states.

It’s not remotely unprecedented, it’s basic federal government practice 101. The feds give and withhold money for various state-level programs all the loving time.

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

What on earth makes you think that Republican voters suffering will lead to any other conclusion in their brains beyond "gently caress the Dems, they need to be destroyed"?

This is accelerationist thinking. If we gently caress over <insert group here> then certainly this time, THIS TIME they'll come around to my way of thinking!!!

It doesn’t have to lead to direct popular suffering. The federal government gives a ton of money to the states under like a bajillion different umbrellas- DHS, DEA, law enforcement, education, EPA/Interior, highways, and so on.

As I mentioned above, a commonly-cited example is the feds tying highway funding to state drinking age.

So here’s a few ideas:

- cut back funding and procurement/development resources for police departments unless reforms are implemented. Tie funding tiers to percentage of the precinct who live in the community that they police. During the war on drugs, and esp after 9/11, we starting chucking all sorts of money, equipment, and “personal development” at local PDs to create the Nightmare State we have today. A lot of that money goes straight to weapons and military tech and surveillance manufacturers on those police departments’ behalf.

- “drug prevention, education, and enforcement” money. You want it? Make Narcan training mandatory for all first responders and phase in safe injection sites if you don’t have any.

- Dept of Ed funding for sports programs. Tie disbursement to Title IX compliance. Institute an aggressive improvement plan for states that underperform.

-Defense/NASA/federal programs spending. The reason why Alabama is a global leader in rocket manufacturing despite doing everything possible as a state to make that prospect incredibly unpalatable. Nobody says you can build a cutting-edge industry from the ground up in an otherwise failing state except the federal govt. Why not tie that to K-12 science standards? Wanna keep the SLS production in-state? Raise the number of in-state enrollees at your public universities.

-Farm Subsidies. I mean, there’s so much that a progressive federal government could accomplish by leveraging AG subsidies.

And at no point have I suggested cutting off people’s Medicaid or disaster relief or anything like that

But people underestimate just how much these states rely on federal handouts to keep their illusion of intelligent conservative thrift afloat. These legislatures/governors love to rail against the feds and interference of liberals while slashing their own contributions to necessary services (education, etc), and then cashing in federal support to keep those services barely functional. It’s utter grift.

And since a lot of this money goes to businesses and not private citizens, leveraging it tends to get the right kind of people barking at their local government to fix the problem. And, likewise, private citizens tend to blame their local politician when poo poo like park maintenance or school sports programs hit a snag. It’s historically been a really powerful way to shape policy.

Edit: I thought of another one. Cap the percentage of federal money that can go to charter schools vs real public schools.

trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 01:58 on May 6, 2020

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Mat Cauthon posted:

There are plenty of leftists, progressives, etc who live in the south and/or red states, not to mention large populations if poor, minority, and otherwise marginalized people who for all intents and purposes have been disenfranchised or undermined as a voting bloc. Hurting those people to make a point about punishing Republicans is a bad idea and it's bad politics. Cenk should know better than most that Republican states aren't poorly run so much as deliberately structured to maximize crushing entrenched poverty and dehumanizing oppression for all but the privileged few in their enclaves.

Also Cenk deploying the loving racist, sexist, poor shaming dogwhistle of "welfare queen" should tell you everything you need to know about why he's wrong and ultimately a piece of poo poo who probably wouldn't even be on this side of the fence if he didn't have a privileged position from which to pontificate.

Also red states are poor, and vice versa, because Republicans respect them (through ineffectual culture worship) while Democrats just flip them off and say "Lurn2Code and move to a real state". So while it's a fun rhetorical cudgel, the Democrats are just as much to blame for the poorness and redness of those states.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

PerniciousKnid posted:

Also red states are poor, and vice versa, because Republicans respect them (through ineffectual culture worship) while Democrats just flip them off and say "Lurn2Code and move to a real state". So while it's a fun rhetorical cudgel, the Democrats are just as much to blame for the poorness and redness of those states.

The funding doesn’t really reflect that tho.

Like that’s just a feeling that you have based on comments made by people with zero say over the matter. The Obama admin certainly wasn’t telling red states to get hosed and “lol learn2code”

trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 02:02 on May 6, 2020

idiotsavant
Jun 4, 2000

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

Where's the guarantee that when the Republicans next gain power, they won't just try to gently caress blue states over harder?

lmao are you honestly trying to pretend this is a convincing argument

maybe next you can convince me to support trickle-down economics, that would be useful and cool

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

idiotsavant posted:

lmao are you honestly trying to pretend this is a convincing argument

maybe next you can convince me to support trickle-down economics, that would be useful and cool

These people who try to hurt us constantly and gleefully talk about taking joy in hurting us now......what if we fought back and it made them mad? :ohdear:

How do you guarantee they wouldn’t come back and hurt us even harder? :ohdear: :ohdear:

-Basically the villagers at the beginning of Seven Samurai.

idiotsavant
Jun 4, 2000

Ok Comboomer posted:

The funding doesn’t really reflect that tho.

Like that’s just a feeling that you have based on comments made by people with zero say over the matter. The Obama admin certainly wasn’t telling red states to get hosed and “lol learn2code”

actually I distinctly remember Obama dangling Medicare expansion over red state’s heads while saying “oooooh would Buddy wike a widdle snackie yes yes? Mmmmmm” before cruelly whisking it away for no reason at all and eating it himself

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idiotsavant
Jun 4, 2000

Ok Comboomer posted:

These people who try to hurt us constantly and gleefully talk about taking joy in hurting us now......what if we fought back and it made them mad? :ohdear:

How do you guarantee they wouldn’t come back and hurt us even harder? :ohdear: :ohdear:

-Basically the villagers at the beginning of Seven Samurai.

look you reap what you sow. try and pull stuff like putting extreme liberal leftist judges on the courts and you better believe that Republicans will nominate some real garbage hacks once they come back to power. You wouldn’t want that now would you??!

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