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Rupert Buttermilk posted:My 5 year old son, after watching a bunch of videos from Mr A Game, just beat BOTW with only two divine beasts. This is after playing the game for approx 2 months. I accidentally bumped into Ganon yesterday while looking for the royal armor. While in a zoom class, which is basically all I do in zoom classes. I was debating on whether to put the sound on during the end credits.
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Runcible Cat posted:Sure, but you have to pay for them. He also can't help you if you miss the Blights, and i'm guessing Kohga is probably the same way.
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May 6, 2020 18:48
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Cattail Prophet posted:He also can't help you if you miss the Blights, and i'm guessing Kohga is probably the same way. He can, you just have to beat the game first.
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May 6, 2020 18:54
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Yeah, i really don't know why everyone freaks out about the "permanently" missable shots in the game when there's a service specifically for giving you the pics you missed.
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May 6, 2020 19:37
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Amppelix posted:Yeah, i really don't know why everyone freaks out about the "permanently" missable shots in the game when there's a service specifically for giving you the pics you missed. Well I climbed to the top of Hyrule castle and this korok got in my shot. How can I get a pic of Link in the Xenoblade armor now?
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May 6, 2020 19:58
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:My 5 year old son, after watching a bunch of videos from Mr A Game, just beat BOTW with only two divine beasts. This is after playing the game for approx 2 months. I would say "make a Let's Play", but that would probably count as child exploitation.
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May 6, 2020 20:19
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I have accepted the fact that five-year-olds can be better at games than me, I am absolutely not cringing in embarrassment and wondering how my life went so wrong
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May 6, 2020 20:25
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Amppelix posted:Yeah, i really don't know why everyone freaks out about the "permanently" missable shots in the game when there's a service specifically for giving you the pics you missed. The initial poster did say they wanted to take the pictures with the shiekah slate on their new playthrough, so yeah, missable pics are a consideration.
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May 6, 2020 20:49
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Finally got that last Korok Seed. Never going to 100% BotW again, but glad I can say I did it once. Throw it on the pile.
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May 6, 2020 20:57
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Alvarez IV posted:Finally got that last Korok Seed. Never going to 100% BotW again, but glad I can say I did it once. Throw it on the pile. How long did it take you? What were the trickiest?
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May 6, 2020 22:53
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Tokelau All Star posted:How long did it take you? What were the trickiest? I started at the start of the plague, knocked out the first two thirds in big, systematic chunks, actually enjoyed the game and slowly went for the last bunch. The trickiest was the last one because I had to go down a list and check off which one I'd missed, but fortunately I found it in the first quarter of the map I was looking at. All in all, BotW is a drat fine game, though my favorites are still my favorites. I think there's improvements to be made in the interface, I think there should be something to mitigate climbing during rain, and I wasn't nearly as salty about the Yiga Assassins as many were, I liked the randomness of it and the variety it added. I'm thinking about trying Master Mode but I'm just going to tool around in there, and if the regenerating health is more annoying than the varied patterns and floating platforms are fun, I'll move on for a while until BotW2.
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May 7, 2020 02:01
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Master mode is a lot of fun from when you can get enough gear to not be one hit killed by everyone constantly to when you’re no longer imperiled by most enemies (fully upgraded armor ish?). The very beginning is exciting but a little too hard, and once you can shrug off a lynel the rest is a weapon inventory management problem.
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May 7, 2020 02:37
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Bust Rodd posted:I don’t wanna spoil anything but beating the dungeons gives Link cool magic powers, one of which really changes how you explore and get around, so I really recommend doing the dungeons before getting in the bulk of your exploration. Bust Rodd posted:Zelda players: I have played through 17 Zelda games at this point, and unlocked the hook shot and magic hammer and master sword and the bow and the Zora flippers for the dozenth time and fought Ganon for the 50th time and saved Zelda for the millionth time! I guess this was adressed to me, and I somehow missed it. There's a big difference. I like puzzles in other Zelda games. I don't like puzzles in BotW. Opening/entering/getting orb/exiting shrine takes time, and inside you get something that just feels like a room 5-6 from Portal. Stacking three metal cubes on top of one another isn't really fun, nor is burning all the grass you find in an otherwise metallic enviroment. There are some good ones, of course. I've enjoyed carrying ice through Mario-like fire traps, and I really liked creating cryonis pillars to navigate ball to the hole like some kind of Rube Goldberg machine. The latter is simple, but feels satisfying. Most others, though, are just Zelda puzzles that you've seen, or those you can figure out in a few seconds that take way too much time to execute. In other titles those rooms would connect to something else or would require you to memorize them and come back, but I also feel they were a bit faster. I really like the shrines that present you with multiple challenges, but when I see a big button where I need to put three chests? Not a fan. Unfortunately I have a very good memory for puzzles, so even if most of them were cool the first time, now they don't really do anything for me. And motion control ones are just obnoxious. Yeah, I know you can rotate the maze, but it's not even the worst one. It's still a 10/10 game, don't get me wrong, it's just that exploration, collecting, and talking to NPCs part is SO MUCH stronger. Really wish Hard Mode was as good as some suggestions here. I do some self-imposed challenges (most notably not eating food that isn't in "recipes" tab, and not cooling that much), but I kinda wish the game would punish me for forgetting to switch armor before I swim, or weapon before lightning starts.
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May 7, 2020 14:40
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I think the reason I really stan for the shrines in BotW is because I am a pretty serious LONK. I just suck at puzzles and really lack that open-reasoning sort of mindset that really rewards puzzle games. BotW is like the first game that I really grok in terms of puzzles and physics and the only way i wouldve made any progress was specifically because of how repetitive they are. It makes me really feel like i'm Link, relearning this alien world that i used to call home.
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May 7, 2020 14:51
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Vookatos posted:Well, here's hoping "early" means pre-dungeon, since I've explored A LOT, but barely do shrines. I was hoping there wouldn't be any missable photos aside from bosses but oh well. I'm pretty sure there are also a couple locations where specific enemies still spawn in their red/blue form even if enemies everywhere else have leveled up. I know that the Lynel on Breakback Mountain stays a normal (red) Lynel no matter how much other enemies level up. And the Bokoblins on the plateau I don't think ever advance beyond red either. I remember also finding a red Moblin chilling at one of the hot springs in north-west of the map very late in the game.
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May 7, 2020 14:55
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There is always one enemy you can find (except for Cursed Bokoblin) somewhere, but you can outlevel the level 2 Lynel Spear, Club, and Bow pretty easily and can't get them again. I believe the Kokiri Spear or Sword and the Kite Shield are of finite supply, as well.
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May 7, 2020 15:38
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Inu posted:I remember also finding a red Moblin chilling at one of the hot springs in north-west of the map very late in the game. I think the ones at the Hyrule end of Digdogger Bridge stay red too. mastajake posted:There is always one enemy you can find (except for Cursed Bokoblin) somewhere, but you can outlevel the level 2 Lynel Spear, Club, and Bow pretty easily and can't get them again. I believe the Kokiri Spear or Sword and the Kite Shield are of finite supply, as well. You can always find a Forest spear and shield just round the big root from the main Forest shrine, and I think the shrine quest that involves wooden gear will always give you a new sword etc. There's a kite shield on the wall of whatsername the super shield surfer's hut too, so you can get a pic there even if you can't get the shield itself.
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May 7, 2020 17:05
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The two constellation shrines were a kick-rear end puzzle imo
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May 7, 2020 17:14
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I loving love puzzles.
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May 7, 2020 17:45
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Bust Rodd posted:I think the reason I really stan for the shrines in BotW is because I am a pretty serious LONK. I just suck at puzzles and really lack that open-reasoning sort of mindset that really rewards puzzle games. BotW is like the first game that I really grok in terms of puzzles and physics and the only way i wouldve made any progress was specifically because of how repetitive they are. It makes me really feel like i'm Link, relearning this alien world that i used to call home. That’s sweet. Link has something in common with Snake from metal gear V I used to get bummed out by puzzles in Wind Waker or maybe twilight princess but it was because I’d been drinking all day Now that I’m mostly sober I just look at the combat parts and sigh because I don’t feel like I’m ever going to get better at them if I can just hack and slash and eat my way through.
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:I can just hack and slash and eat my way through I know what you mean, but I'm tickled by the idea of them implementing this directly in BotW2
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May 7, 2020 21:54
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Runcible Cat posted:I think the ones at the Hyrule end of Digdogger Bridge stay red too. Ah right, I was using the mindset of needing to take a picture of them on the rack.
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i finally grabbed the dlc pack because quarantine and i'm playing through botw again and the big thing that's struck me (even with the dlc) is how much of the map is just superfluous. most combat encounters are a waste of your time / resources, and the ones that are mandatory to complete generally include enough gear nearby that you don't need to RP link as an obsessive compulsive pack rat. so many of the shrines just have unremarkable rewards, and outside needing a very specific number of shrines completed to reclaim the master sword, very few of them are interesting enough to be worth doing. i don't think a single one of those monster camps (skull caves or tree forts) contains unique or important loot, which makes them feel like so much wasted effort. the few really cool & unique areas are still good (those three weird baroque mazes, the island where you lose all your gear, etc.) but the rest of the game is just unremarkable trees and grass and animals for loving miles. it's weird because the game was loving magical to play through once, but i feel like it really suffers once you're approaching it without the blindness of novelty. i didn't 100% the game the first time i played it and i figured that there must be all kinds of cool poo poo that i didn't discover, but i feel like i still played too much and didn't leave enough undone for a second play through. what this game needs is a 1st party official randomizer.
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While I agree that the game would benefit from having interesting and useful secrets stashed away in more places (the Forgotten Temple was a bit of a missed opportunity, for example, as well as that cool set of islands with bridges off the east coast), I still find the world so remarkably large and vibrant that I can't fault the game whatsoever. I've been astounded to open up my map, see that it looks pretty well-trod, then zoom in and find vast areas that I never even set foot in. Vast, vast areas. Maybe I'll run into a Lynel fight, which I still find fun, or just run over hills for a while and find a Korok, which I also enjoy. I see where you're coming from, and I agree that there's real magic in the first play-through, but I still find the world remarkable. Honestly, I don't think a game has impressed me so much since Super Mario 64. I haven't done a second playthrough, though. All this reminds me: I still need to finish Kass' sidequests (who is the best character in the game, btw). But sure, that's one of my hopes for BOTW2: more meaningful secrets. It could be heart pieces, bits of lore (even text would do fine, to tell me more history), more armor sets, maybe some unique weapons, story events, etc. Still, what a cool game.
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May 8, 2020 06:24
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They should have cut the number of shrines in half by merging a lot of them together to form larger, multi room shrines.
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x1o posted:They should have cut the number of shrines in half by merging a lot of them together to form larger, multi room shrines. Yeah, there were a few longer shrines (just off the top of my head: the one on the west side of Hyrule Field, the blue flame one in the crab island near Goron City, and I think there was a wind-based one in southwest Tabantha) that almost felt like outright dungeons. Gluing a bunch of the electricity-puzzle ones from the desert together would probably work too. Quantum Toast fucked around with this message at 09:56 on May 8, 2020 |
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x1o posted:They should have cut the number of shrines in half by merging a lot of them together to form larger, multi room shrines. that's a great idea, and i think it also would have helped if they hadn't used the same sheika faux-techno style of all of them. have some be the ice cave pallet, or the rainy tropical forest, or a lava dungeon or whatever. hopefully botw2 gets to explore more stuff like that since story-wise there's no reason for the sheika tech to matter so much this time around
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Bifner McDoogle posted:They're not complaining about puzzles, though, he's complaining about shrines. BOTW has some amazing over world puzzles and I legit like the Divine Beasts more than most, but those shrines are loving terrible - in their current form they are a totally half baked and without a doubt the worst part of the game. the shrines are good
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I kinda liked the Aperture Science Testing Chamber aesthetic of the shrines. The uniformity was appropriate given that there were a lot of them that all served the same purpose. Making them feel routine in that way made for a nice comfortable rhythm. I imagine it made the process of development much more efficient as well, and that's a real concern when you're talking about a game that took 300 people five years to make.
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Bongo Bill posted:I kinda liked the Aperture Science Testing Chamber aesthetic of the shrines. The uniformity was appropriate given that there were a lot of them that all served the same purpose. Making them feel routine in that way made for a nice comfortable rhythm. I imagine it made the process of development much more efficient as well, and that's a real concern when you're talking about a game that took 300 people five years to make. Silent protagonists able to soar across vast distances...I think we’re onto the crossover of the century!
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Bongo Bill posted:I kinda liked the Aperture Science Testing Chamber aesthetic of the shrines. The uniformity was appropriate given that there were a lot of them that all served the same purpose. Making them feel routine in that way made for a nice comfortable rhythm. I imagine it made the process of development much more efficient as well, and that's a real concern when you're talking about a game that took 300 people five years to make. I really wish they were more varied visually, also they should have abandoned all of the combat shrines since they were bad.
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Bongo Bill posted:I kinda liked the Aperture Science Testing Chamber aesthetic of the shrines. The uniformity was appropriate given that there were a lot of them that all served the same purpose. Making them feel routine in that way made for a nice comfortable rhythm. I imagine it made the process of development much more efficient as well, and that's a real concern when you're talking about a game that took 300 people five years to make. Yeah, I loved them too, and never minded the sameness of the decor at all. I do think there could have been a few fewer combat shrines, though. It was always disappointing to me to reach a new shrine and see that pop up when I was hoping for some sort of puzzle.
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sigher posted:I really wish they were more varied visually, also they should have abandoned all of the combat shrines since they were bad. Amppelix posted:actually it is you who was bad BotW's combat is pretty bad tbh, probably the worst part of the game
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May 8, 2020 21:41
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I thought botw’s combat was stellar when I first played it, but that’s because mentally my I was comparing it to, like, Skyrim, and not games with actually good combat mechanics. Open world games historically have awful fighting, so Zelda’s simple, toy-like, shallow mechanics stood head and shoulders above its bad competition.
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The N64 Zeldas had more advanced combat. At least in those you could use different sword combos.
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Fojar38 posted:The N64 Zeldas had more advanced combat. At least in those you could use different sword combos. The basis of swordplay in Ocarina of Time up through Twilight Princess was that you could do horizontal, vertical, or thrusting attacks, and Breath of the Wild has the same basic elements. It doesn't have the same advanced moves as Twilight Princess, but it does have a few, like how the last hit of a combo is a heavy attack that can stun an enemy or knock away their shield, or how you can use your own shield to parry enemy attacks and create an opening. And like those earlier games, it's all there, but just mashing is good enough almost all the time. (Skyward Sword is the outlier because it made the system explicit enough that you had to actually pay attention to it.)
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x1o posted:They should have cut the number of shrines in half by merging a lot of them together to form larger, multi room shrines. This is my take, too. I remember one somewhere near Gerudo region that asked you to dodge rolling balls, fight some enemies, solve a few stasis puzzles, that was great! I would also prefer if "blessing" shrines were something else. was originally against them, thinking that it would be better if they just gave me a chest, but now I think I'd just like them to be visually different. The Bloop posted:The worst part of a great game can still be good Speaking of, I actually enjoyed replaying a dungeon a lot. Elephant one is simple, and I remember all the puzzles from my first time, but it was still a blast. Little pre-entrance "battle" is cool as hell, and it has some great moments, like climbing on a trunk. Shame they're all kinda samey.
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