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lol @ android going through a back door to "as smooth as apple devices in 2010" ten years later simply because technology advanced enough to bulldoze through how poo poo it is.
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precisely. much like it is stupid to long for the days of writing business logic in ibm 360 assembler it is today stupid to long for doing pointer arithmetic in your fart app; it is demonstrably fine to climb an abstraction level. android is all kinds of poo poo, but whining about "native code" not being front an center on a consumer device os in 2020 is stupid.
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May 19, 2020 10:01
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:precisely. much like it is stupid to long for the days of writing business logic in ibm 360 assembler it is today stupid to long for doing pointer arithmetic in your fart app; it is demonstrably fine to climb an abstraction level. these are different things. you don’t need to have a vm to write high level code, many languages can compile to native binaries.
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May 19, 2020 15:19
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The Management posted:these are different things. you don’t need to have a vm to write high level code, many languages can compile to native binaries. sure, but starting too beef up the ndk poo poo at this juncture seems like an extra stupid thing to do. just invites doing really low-level crude things which are incredibly rarely a good idea on a phone. the performance history was really bad for a long time, but having been mostly sorted (mostly through aot granted) it is suddenly pretty nice to have a pretty good high-level ecosystem/platform as the baseline. as always lots of things incredibly wrong about android, but i am pretty sure there would have been even more had they actually tried to maintain some entirely separate low-level c/c++ story as well.
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is this also the google thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhyp_PQCOg because loving lol stadia
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May 22, 2020 02:24
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what makes the phone itself tactical, rather than just the case?
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May 22, 2020 02:25
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Sagebrush posted:what makes the phone itself tactical, rather than just the case? tactical battery reload also it's a samsung so throw it at someone with a non-zero chance of it exploding.
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May 22, 2020 02:26
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edc tactical android phone fits perfectly in my cargo jorts pocket
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May 22, 2020 02:54
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:watching google and samsung try so, so loving hard to make android phones something other than a poor man's last resort has been an enduring source of lols ah, the Dollar General of phones
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May 22, 2020 02:59
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SRQ posted:is this also the google thread it's still coming to pc, so what's the big deal?
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May 22, 2020 04:03
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SRQ posted:is this also the google thread I want to lol @ stadia. is there a funny part of that video? I watched 3 painful minutes waiting for a pay off.
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May 22, 2020 08:21
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Sagebrush posted:what makes the phone itself tactical, rather than just the case? Samsung announces ruggedized Galaxy S20 Tactical Edition, with 'stealth mode' (lol it's airplane mode)
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May 22, 2020 11:42
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Vomik posted:I want to lol @ stadia. is there a funny part of that video? I watched 3 painful minutes waiting for a pay off. serious sam is a timed exclusive on stadia instead of a console people actally own. devolver digital better hope that the game is really well recieved and people still want to buy it after the exclusivity period, because otherwise they're not getting those launch sales back.
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May 22, 2020 12:35
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i'm going to guess that they are mostly hoping that googles check clears. between epic and google paying big bucks for exclusives and give-aways to wrest entry into the market i assume it was a pretty drat big pile of cash.
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May 22, 2020 13:26
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LastInLine posted:Samsung announces ruggedized Galaxy S20 Tactical Edition, with 'stealth mode' (lol it's airplane mode) tactilol edition
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May 22, 2020 14:33
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LastInLine posted:Samsung announces ruggedized Galaxy S20 Tactical Edition, with 'stealth mode' (lol it's airplane mode) gotta respect that grift
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May 22, 2020 14:37
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Wheany posted:serious sam is a timed exclusive on stadia instead of a console people actally own. i'm guessing the shipping container full of cash from google makes that irrelevant, like those indie games for which epic paid piles of cash for timed exclusivity ("we could cancel every preorder and still be rich"). gamers are manchildren with the memory of a goldfish, so you can kick them as much as you want because they'll forget about it as soon as you announce the sequel to some 30 year old game that they will jizz their pants over and buy no matter what in an effort to be transported back to their childhood
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May 22, 2020 17:50
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Wheany posted:serious sam is a timed exclusive on stadia instead of a console people actally own. also, croteam's co-founder/cto left to work on stadia late last year, so odds are he helped form a lucrative* business relationship between his old and new buddies. * well, lucrative-ish. google apparently aren't interested in paying much for exclusives.
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May 22, 2020 17:59
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i don't think there's a market for serious sam any more now that nudoom is a thing
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May 22, 2020 18:01
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wait, stadia runs games on linux? there are games on linux?
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Sagebrush posted:i don't think there's a market for serious sam any more now that nudoom is a thing while they're both modernizations of the same kind of old shooter they took pretty different approaches (e.g. nudoom with the tight resource-based gameplay loop and serious sam with the wave-based arena fights), if anything i think the time is pretty good for a back-to-basics serious sam game, now that nudoom has reintroduced the basic genre. not least the co-op is a big deal. granted the last good serious sam game was serious sam 1, but otoh all the material so far released looks like a return to that style.
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May 22, 2020 18:38
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The Management posted:wait, stadia runs games on linux? there are games on linux? "walks" maybe
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The_Franz posted:gamers are manchildren with the memory of a goldfish, so you can kick them as much as you want because they'll forget about it as soon as you announce the sequel to some 30 year old game that they will jizz their pants over and buy no matter what in an effort to be transported back to their childhood i preordered Phoenix point and canceled that when they said it wouldn't run on my operating system and then was epic store exclusive, then found out after release that the game is kinda crappy anyway so gently caress em it isn't even worth pirating
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May 23, 2020 03:20
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:granted the last good serious sam game was serious sam 1, but otoh all the material so far released looks like a return to that style. bfe had too many bad-dumb enemies.
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May 24, 2020 13:14
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No games chat
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:No, games chat!
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Endless Mike posted:what are you talking about? google phones sure, no one actually buys them, but samsung has outsold apple for years now. the s20 hasn't been a disappointment, but it also launched literally as the world was shutting down from pandemic, and the s10 outsold the s9 outsold the s8 etc. samsung flagships sell really well, they just don't make any money from them. outselling the prior model that also didn't sell well isn't a great track record samsung's core products are not top-end phones
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hey let's quote the sarnsung newsroom thing i just googledsarnsung posted:Samsung’s smartphone shipments increased QoQ led by strong sales of the new Galaxy A Series, including the Galaxy A50 and A70. However, sales of flagship models fell QoQ on weak sales momentum for the Galaxy S10 and stagnant demand for premium products.
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why is it that the iphone SE 2020 is literally the fastest phone tied with the 11 I thought android used to hold the chocolate medal of having ~high specs~
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SRQ posted:why is it that the iphone SE 2020 is literally the fastest phone tied with the 11 uh androids have never had the highest specs except in raw numbers which aren't terribly useful for even synthetic benchmarks, never mind actual use
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May 25, 2020 05:33
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it's NOT for WOMEN!!!
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SRQ posted:why is it that the iphone SE 2020 is literally the fastest phone tied with the 11 androids have been getting stomped by four+ year old iphones in synthetic benchmarks since people started benchmarking them. no one but apple makes an even remotely good arm core
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a fairly large part of the "how" is also just plain spending a good chunk more money on transistors. a case of getting what you pay for, at least partially. i maintain that the top line socs from all relevant vendors is plenty fast though. i think apples exercise in this area is more about ipads and continued work on an arm macbook than it making any kind of sense in the iphone.
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May 25, 2020 14:50
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:a fairly large part of the "how" is also just plain spending a good chunk more money on transistors. a case of getting what you pay for, at least partially. Apple certainly pays more for their chips because they are relatively huge. apple’s chip benefits in phones are 1) the chips can run at a lower frequency. dynamic leakage increases with the square of the frequency, so they get significant power savings for the same computation. 2) their massive caches mean less DDR access, which also saves power. 3) their chips finish the work faster and shut down. again, power. 95% of the time when you’re looking at your phone, the CPUs are actually fully shut down (power gated) and the cache is drained and powered off. Apple is obsessive about power. they are operating at a level that’s far beyond what any android vendor does.
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sorry op I couldn't hear your post about apple's delicate power-sipping chips over the whir of the fan attached to my Republic of Gamers phone-rig
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so the answer is that Apple is AMD in 2003 (and AMD now) smarter design vs "OUR ANDROID HAS EIGHT CORES AND 8GB OF RAM" relatedly the whole low-clock quad core and high-clock dual core thing is a kind of mindblowing idea to see executed. Why Intel isn't doing this I have no idea.
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The Management posted:1) the chips can run at a lower frequency. dynamic leakage increases with the square of the frequency, so they get significant power savings for the same computation. dynamic power (in theory) scales with frequency linearly and voltage squared, but since you generally end up raising voltage to raise frequency I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up with power being proportional to frequency somewhere between squared and cubed over the full range of operating frequencies.
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DuckConference posted:dynamic power (in theory) scales with frequency linearly and voltage squared, but since you generally end up raising voltage to raise frequency I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up with power being proportional to frequency somewhere between squared and cubed over the full range of operating frequencies. I’m not an electrical engineer, i don’t know what I’m talking about. if it’s below the digital level i can pretend to follow but don’t ask me to explain it.
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