McSpanky posted:

"When we came up against subspace interference that disabled energy weapons, we spent months and hundreds of man-hours developing a compact magnetic accelerator for an inert composite-metallic projectile, targeted by the most sophisticated tactical assistance programs ever developed and fitted with state-of-the-art inertial dampers to negate recoil by 47%.

When the Klingons were faced with the same problem, they used swords."

SlothfulCobra posted:

The Klingons as we see them in TNG have kinda gone through a societal collapse since the days of TOS, and their politics now revolve around aristocracy and dueling, so everybody with any rank is busy fighting or boasting. I think TOS portrays Klingons as internally meritocratic so that bureaucrats could just be part of their society.

I assume there are still Klingon paper pushers and scientists just like how there are still Klingon lawyers, but they're all in subservient positions as part of some aristocrat's house, which conversely means a big fancy important Klingon like Gowron is going to have a sort of learned helplessness when it comes to accounting.

Of course, while it's an obvious assumption that Klingons must have some kind of lower class stratum from how they're ruled by noble houses, most Star Trek likes to play it both ways so that they're all somehow upper class nobility, and like noble households only include immediate family members instead of having some array of servants or support staff.

McSpanky posted:

"When we came up against subspace interference that disabled energy weapons, we spent months and hundreds of man-hours developing a compact magnetic accelerator for an inert composite-metallic projectile, targeted by the most sophisticated tactical assistance programs ever developed and fitted with state-of-the-art inertial dampers to negate recoil by 97%.

When the Klingons were faced with the same problem, they used swords."

jeeves posted:

I thought TOS Klingons were originally basically Roddenberry's take on Korean-war era Chinese or something, due to terrible pronunciation of "CHING-ons" in some of the early poo poo and their obvious yellow face makeup and mustaches.

Early Romulans were supposed to be Soviets, as shown by the obvious submarine movie plot that is Balance of Terror.

SlothfulCobra posted:

Worf is a Klingon fundamentalist, constantly opining for some older, mythical age where Klingons were REAL Klingons. Part of that is because he learned everything about Klingon culture from afar and he used "klingon instincts" as an excuse for his personal aggression issues, but I think also a lot about TNG klingons was established in that first klingon episode where a couple of klingon fundamentalists attempt to hijack the enterprise but stick to some abstruse rules of honor while doing so. I think the Kahless cloners have a similar line of thought, they hate political complexity and would rather klingons make their decisions based on faith rather than pragmatism.

When we see "proper" klingons, they're a whole lot more chill about the formality of aggression, and it's more posturing to maintain dominance. I feel like they're more in the habit of constantly threatening to duel than they are to actually risk their own life fighting over something. They also party a bunch while Worf is prone to sulking about dishonor and decadence.

And probably the writers themselves are of multiple minds about klingons, because some of them want to treat klingons as having complex motivations and others want to just go all in on the purebred spartan warrior race angle.

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

The episode where Worf is trying to convince the Klingons to have a civil war properly as both sides drink and party and wrestle after each day on a neutral ground is great comedy. Tony Todd should've gotten an emmy.

Dog_Meat posted:

How in the flying ferengi gently caress did I only just now realise that was Tony Todd?! Jesus Christ...

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

I didn't catch him in the Orville. People aren't easy to recognize in a shitload of makeup.

Dog_Meat posted:

Oh for...

<face blindness intensifies>

Laterite posted:

Tony Todd owns

Arglebargle III posted:

Arglebargle III posted:

adhuin posted:

I'm more of a TOS guy gal:

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

Come on man, there aren't even any closeups of him in the Orville episode, it's a wide shot from 10 feet away and he just sits there and goes "women bad" and "we'll quit the federation if women aren't considered bad."

Arglebargle III posted:

If you can't recognize his voice then you can't recognize his most distinctive trait. He's also in Half-Life Alyx.

Gonz posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8MkYdtU61Y

Brawnfire posted:

Good stuff, but left out my favorite little bit of the Picard theme.

It's the part where it dives from G to A with a little flourish. It's hard to describe... one sec.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI90Z-PWXUk

About :31-:33 in this video. It makes my brain tingle.

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Arivia posted:

Man “The Dauphin” is a really mixed episode. It’s generally better than the synopsis would make me think, but Wesley turning Salia away once he’s seen one of her other forms is really gross. I’m not sure if the ending makes me feel better about it or not.