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studio mujahideen
May 3, 2005

comrade daou my people yearn for freedom

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Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

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Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

those arrest reports are completely new to me and i post on SA tons

but also the fact that you haven't seen these before means Burt and Reene succeeded

Star Phlatulence
Jan 14, 2006

by Cyrano4747
Bleak Gremlin
look if we don't acquire Verrit then i'm gonna start an off-site to record events and take statements to get the facts straight oh no i just invented encyclopedia dramatica

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

I am finding that I may, in fact, be terminally online and I apologize for bad-mouthing folks who do not suffer this affliction


But that does not excuse all of your default apologia
not saying you're the guilty goon here but it feels like there's some trump timeline space/time continuum dilation stuff going on recently where info that has been learned recently gets retroactively written into the book of grudges

also the fundraiser thing was shut down because -- i may be wrong -- lady ambien didn't want people doing that. i mean if people really wanted to get to the bottom of it they could probably find her and ask her.

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

but also the fact that you haven't seen these before means Burt and Reene succeeded
that's what i'm talking about!!! they didn't know the thing we know now, which means that they actually *did* know... but suppressed it! it's a modspiracy!!!

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

but also the fact that you haven't seen these before means Burt and Reene succeeded

yeah it’s the default position of “leadership good; show me proof” combined with “all proof has been deleted because of (insert reason)”

that is not a recipe for accountability

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005
When people say "delete posts" they don't usually mean actually deleting posts like ZDR did to get the phantom pages bug. They just mean the post was blanked or edited.

I've seen "oh that can't have happened because mods can't really delete posts" as a defence to this a few times now and it's really really stretching on a technicality.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

not saying you're the guilty goon here but it feels like there's some trump timeline space/time continuum dilation stuff going on recently where info that has been learned recently gets retroactively written into the book of grudges

also the fundraiser thing was shut down because -- i may be wrong -- lady ambien didn't want people doing that. i mean if people really wanted to get to the bottom of it they could probably find her and ask her.

that's what i'm talking about!!! they didn't know the thing we know now, which means that they actually *did* know... but suppressed it! it's a modspiracy!!!

that would be a good take except they edited out that info and banned or permabanned anyone who asked about it or said the wrong things

that doesn’t take a conspiracy, it just takes a few lazy people who have 2 options: investigate fully and try to do the right thing, or ban a motherfucker.

one takes months and can cost you your star, the other takes seconds and you get to lmao with your buddies about it, and you will never ever be punished for being too harsh

hmmmm

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

TTerrible posted:

When people say "delete posts" they don't usually mean actually deleting posts like ZDR did to get the phantom pages bug. They just mean the post was blanked or edited.
yeah and you do that when someone posts NSFW porn or threatens vladimir putin (who pays my bills) but the idea that mods were wiping police reports is nonsense

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

that's what i'm talking about!!! they didn't know the thing we know now, which means that they actually *did* know... but suppressed it! it's a modspiracy!!!

All that poo poo was posted repeatedly and they banned the posters that did. People posted the links
I can't find them again because again, lost my search ability, but they're spread around in the demod Burt/Reene threads

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

those arrest reports are completely new to me and i post on SA tons

Can't speak to their veracity and I lost search when I got this snazzy new av so I can't link them, but there are screenshots of Reene requesting bans for people posting links to LadyAmbien's GFM and for bringing it up at all, under the reason "poo poo stirring", if memory serves.

I think it was in the WoW forum, because I remember some of it blowing up back in there way back when.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
lowtax is going to jail lmao

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit
Ya'll LK is good people and an even better mod and although I can't go into details of various backdoor dealings I'm familiar with, LK has taken some stands for the benefit of C-SPAM that most other moderators in SA's history lacked the moral cajones to take.

LK has my respect because he's done the things I look for most in leaders: he's done the right thing when it cost him and he's owned his mistakes when he had the option not to.

LK you're a good kid and don't let this go to your head- but I'd follow you into hell.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

the idea that mods were wiping police reports is nonsense

They did this
it happened
why do you keep saying things like this

Asema
Oct 2, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

not saying you're the guilty goon here but it feels like there's some trump timeline space/time continuum dilation stuff going on recently where info that has been learned recently gets retroactively written into the book of grudges

also the fundraiser thing was shut down because -- i may be wrong -- lady ambien didn't want people doing that. i mean if people really wanted to get to the bottom of it they could probably find her and ask her.

that's what i'm talking about!!! they didn't know the thing we know now, which means that they actually *did* know... but suppressed it! it's a modspiracy!!!

I mean if calling out Reene makes me the guilty goon in this scenario then so be it. I can also call out that her silence and not wanting to deal with the forums and going off site to scream about how "toxic the internet hate mob" is in regards to language use is immediately familiar to the language a known abuser uses (Lowtax) then everybody should be calling for her stepping down as an Admin, she handled this scenario like absolute garbage

Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006

360 kickflip to... Meteo?!

Prester Jane posted:

Ya'll LK is good people and an even better mod and although I can't go into details of various backdoor dealings I'm familiar with, LK has taken some stands for the benefit of C-SPAM that most other moderators in SA's history lacked the moral cajones to take.

LK has my respect because he's done the things I look for most in leaders: he's done the right thing when it cost him and he's owned his mistakes when he had the option not to.

LK you're a good kid and don't let this go to your head- but I'd follow you into hell.

lk still has not opened my jar of pea puree so they can kiss my grits

Big Mad Drongo
Nov 10, 2006

oxsnard posted:

lowtax is going to jail lmao

one can only hope

Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006

360 kickflip to... Meteo?!

oxsnard posted:

lowtax is going to jail lmao

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Azathoth posted:

Can't speak to their veracity and I lost search when I got this snazzy new av so I can't link them, but there are screenshots of Reene requesting bans for people posting links to LadyAmbien's GFM and for bringing it up at all, under the reason "poo poo stirring", if memory serves.

I think it was in the WoW forum, because I remember some of it blowing up back in there way back when.
i went and looked at it and she requested one ban. but like i said my understanding is that ladyambien didn't want that on the forums or to bring a lot of attention to it... for two big reasons.

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

They did this
it happened
why do you keep saying things like this
i don't believe it did. you believe it did. we're at a logjam here.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i went and looked at it and she requested one ban. but like i said my understanding is that ladyambien didn't want that on the forums or to bring a lot of attention to it... for two big reasons.

i don't believe it did. you believe it did. we're at a logjam here.

I found the post for you, lazybones

Obeah posted:

Posting for Nite Crew's stumbling into this

:siren:Primer/Refresher for Anyone Interested:siren:

This is/was an admin and marketing consultant for SA who, for a time, lived with Lowtax after meeting him during the collapse of his previous marriage.





She has since retracted her claims, though the veracity of this retraction is... suspect for a variety of reasons.

Warning: very uncomfortable video.
https://www.facebook.com/1503357396/videos/10216979537629666/

A major part of the skepticism is the unhealthy relationships Lowtax has had with the women in his life over the years, and his constant shifting of blame anytime anything relating to them comes to the forum's attention. Perhaps the most damning examples are the very, very recent (as of this year) abuse claims and custody issues Lowtax has been contending with.







Lowtax posted a large thread detailing his side of the story. Anyone looking to question him was... not treated well. The same went for anyone donating to the GoFundMe of his wife (well-liked user LadyAmbien), who had taken refuge in a women's shelter.










When goons finally came to their senses and were free to wonder what the gently caress was up with this bullshit, mods/admins involved had the following things to say.



Look, a primary part of why we probated and banned people for contesting Lowtax's claims of a wife conspiracy were to protect those wives' right to privacy in the thread where their abusive ex-husband repeatedly and confidently posted details regarding their private lives and legal stituation.

And Burt's very respectable response!



It is not yet apparent if the forums will be deleted, censored, sold, or handed over. Existing offsites, discord groups, etc. are popping in to welcome new people. New ones are being created. There isn't much consensus as to which of these are the most likely or preferable outcomes. A lot of us are just wanting to say our peace and will play it by ear afterwards. I expect to be banned in all likelihood.

Do what you want. My advice is this: unsubscribe from Lowtax's patreon, stop spending money on the forums completely and most importantly:

:siren: Donate! To RAINN! :siren:

https://donate.rainn.org/donate
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3929249

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit
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Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jun 28, 2020

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

oxsnard posted:

lowtax is going to jail lmao

i hope the commissary takes bitcoin

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019


that's really hosed up and bizarre if it worked

Somebody fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jun 29, 2020

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Also maybe hedging your bets on whether your boss is an abuser so you can retain power means you don't deserve that power

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
really?

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jun 29, 2020

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

oxsnard posted:

lowtax is going to jail lmao

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

I found the post for you, lazybones
still don't see any evidence of mods deleting police reports that appeared 2 days ago

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005


lets fix this

Somebody fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jun 29, 2020

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
The gbs lowtax thread was basically a hugbox, so yes them mods are guility. I get it tho, its basically like lowtax is staying in his corner don't rock the boat the boss is here lol.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

still don't see any evidence of mods deleting police reports that appeared 2 days ago

I was wrong about that bit, my bad but

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

maybe hedging your bets on whether your boss is an abuser so you can retain power means you don't deserve that power

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
i would call it enforcing a culture of silence about it imo

Crusty Nutsack
Apr 21, 2005

SUCK LASER, COPPERS


gently caress yeah logan

happy to see she's still posting coherently and understands that people care about her

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
care to share some of those contacts with me PJ?

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jun 29, 2020

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Lightning Knight posted:

I’ll answer this in a second but first:



going onto reputable media outlet The Dick Show to prove my innocence with pure Facts and Logic

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

care to share some of those contacts with me PJ?

Dude you come off really loving suspicious

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Dude you come off really loving suspicious
i doubt the credibility of her sources

Star Phlatulence
Jan 14, 2006

by Cyrano4747
Bleak Gremlin

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Also maybe hedging your bets on whether your boss is an abuser so you can retain power means you don't deserve that power

man alive that is a loaded sentence

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

brutalistmcdonalds doing the tucker carlson face at the idea that mods might be bad

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Asema
Oct 2, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Dude you come off really loving suspicious

no no no no no he just wants to verify who they are so that they can be outed to an abuser it's okay seriously nothing sus about it

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