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therattle posted:Serious question. As you can probably tell, I mostly read the Guardian, and generally agree with its positions. I won't read any other mainstream papers as they are too right-wing. (The Guardian is probably too right for most posters here). I am looking for writing on news and politics that is left of the Guardian, but not TOO far left, as that starts getting into a mindset that I can't relate to (as illustrated nicely by my interactions here). I look at The Canary every now and again, but it feels to me like the left equivalent of Breitbart, full of polemic and manufactured outrage. So what do you all read? To answer this seriously and since i just linked an open democracy article they have a lot of good stuff. Check out this david graeber piece about antisemitism https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/first-time-my-life-im-frightened-be-jewish/ and this is a good read on the massive problems with the guardian https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-09-11-how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/ Jose has issued a correction as of 12:49 on Jun 29, 2020 |
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therattle, can you please give an example of this leftist "manufactured outrage" that you mention?
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oliwan posted:therattle, can you please give an example of this leftist "manufactured outrage" that you mention? He was specifically referring to the Canary, who are pretty journalistically shoddy as I recall.
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Darth Walrus posted:He was specifically referring to the Canary, who are pretty journalistically shoddy as I recall. No more or less than the Mail. (There's complaints about the Canary which are good, like how close they are to the Chris Williamson Defence Squad but "journalistically shoddy" seems about par for UK paper so why hold them to a higher standard?)
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forkboy84 posted:No more or less than the Mail. I mean, 'they're only as bad as the Mail' is itself pretty damning.
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Jose posted:this article is a good read on why so many englanders vote tory despite not actually liking their policies This is a pretty good article. I always remember when I was growing up my dad told me we voted Tory, not for any ideological reason, just because we lived in the south east and were vaguely middle class and we had always voted Tory and Churchill/The War/Nationalism etc. He is very stubborn and it took an awful long time to get him to realise that 1. Unless he is a literal multi millionaire (not even close, even after buying a lovely home in London suburbs for £60k and selling it 25 years later for some ridiculous money) the Torys do not care about him and will never enact change in his interest, and 2. His actual beliefs, while Nationalistic, almost border on communism. I do see change happening, albeit slowly, in peoples opinions. Just making people over 55 or so actually understand the policies eschewed by the various parties is the most difficult part. Once they actually understand what is on offer you often see their brains just click and from then on it's easy. Also, I wanted to link this picture from the Trump Lol thread because it's great. 
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God gently caress that guy. I can't wait till I get to choose between him and some tory ghoul. It just doesn't matter does it? Like in 5 years time the tories will just win again and they'll have stolen another decade from us all.
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V. Illych L. posted:love to not even try to engage with protest sentiment Clumsiness isn't forensic so that can't be true.
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https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277529054829318150?s=20 https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277576931114921985?s=20 https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277589268743979008?s=20 etc. Hillary 2024 has issued a correction as of 01:03 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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Zoran posted:I lament for what will happen in the US once we're not king of the world anymore "anymore"
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Hillary 2020 posted:https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277529054829318150?s=20 Still updating, incredible https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277869959767642112
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Feel free to disregard the below post if you do not want to read a response to therattle. Thanks for this. I never go to D&D, so I assumed that C-SPAM was the political sub-forum for D&D, and this was the UK politics thread. And I didn't read the rules... So I blundered into what is basically a friendly conversation, looking for an argument. I got probated, and fairly. I apologise. Jose posted:To answer this seriously and since i just linked an open democracy article they have a lot of good stuff. Check out this david graeber piece about antisemitism Thanks, appreciated. I read The Daily Maverick every now and again, but not Open Democracy. I will check it out. Darth Walrus posted:He was specifically referring to the Canary, who are pretty journalistically shoddy as I recall. Yes, I was referring specifically to The Canary. If you scan their headlines the language is turned up to 11*, and I don't think the writing is very good - highly emotive and more polemical than analytical. Continuity RCP posted:Something that doesn't inconvenience him or raise any taxes Nope. I would happily pay more tax. I think middle and especially high earners should pay more tax, and I am incensed by the global system that allows corporates to legally avoid tax by eg transfer pricing, licensing of IP, off-shoring, etc. It transfers wealth from the public to the private sphere and exacerbates inequality. It's grotesque, but for all the noises about ending it, I think that a lot og governments (especially ours, beholden to corporate interests as it is) have no real interest in changing it V. Illych L. posted:love to not even try to engage with protest sentiment Agreed. It's depressing, and not particularly astute. therattle has issued a correction as of 09:16 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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Hillary 2020 posted:https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1277529054829318150?s=20 I like how they think this bloke is their friend but he's really just having a good laugh at their idiocy 
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Post Brexit voters realizing they're going to die under Brexit.
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Forceholy posted:Post Brexit voters realizing they're going to die under Brexit. It would only be amusing to me if they were not selfishly going to take everyone else with them.
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instead of being snarky on the Internet about it, the guy could also have taken some responsibility and explain to them what the situation actually is. he's doing that typically British thing of avoiding confrontation and not saying what you actually think, and then making it worse by ridiculing them online. it sucks.
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oliwan posted:instead of being snarky on the Internet about it, the guy could also have taken some responsibility and explain to them what the situation actually is. he's doing that typically British thing of avoiding confrontation and not saying what you actually think, and then making it worse by ridiculing them online. it sucks. oh gently caress offffffffffff
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Crane Fist posted:oh gently caress offffffffffff yes, this is what he should've told them
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oliwan posted:instead of being snarky on the Internet about it, the guy could also have taken some responsibility and explain to them what the situation actually is. he's doing that typically British thing of avoiding confrontation and not saying what you actually think, and then making it worse by ridiculing them online. it sucks. They seem like people you can have a normal discussion with without them immediately lumping you in with those nasty euro tyrants. Better to make fun of the crying nationalists that wanted to cut and run out of the consequences imo.
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Jose posted:It's stdh.txt yeah it's probably this innit. I've looked at his twitter and he seems like an insufferable prick, and I'm not just saying that because he posted this: https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1276417579209367553?s=19
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https://twitter.com/robmanuel/status/1277661785752027138?s=21 hahahhaaaaahaha it’s The Democrats
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Hm yeah he's now saying the son wanted to bribe the mayor and is asking for the number of the EC president's number without showing any of the messages. What's the equivalent of everyone stood up and clapped but when you're making up a story ridiculing people? Everyone fell down and shat themselves maybeTaintrunner posted:https://twitter.com/robmanuel/status/1277661785752027138?s=21 like no, gently caress off, we could have had better things I had half a mind to start a collection of goons' labour membership cards and do something with them. I don't know what exactly. It was really more of an idea for an idea than an idea :/ crispix has issued a correction as of 11:32 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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i never voted labour before corbyn, joined the party to vote for him and have no quit and will likely not vote labour for the foreseeable future
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Jose posted:i never voted labour before corbyn, joined the party to vote for him and have no quit and will likely not vote labour for the foreseeable future Same except I voted for red ed https://mobile.twitter.com/Gordopolitz/status/1267800929820123136
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