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Ramadu posted:It can't be worse than picard why would you post this
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Jul 2, 2020 05:37
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It looks like the section down below might literally just be a deflector and not much else, so there might not even be people in it. Starfleet engineering got so sick of people breaking deflector dishes by trying to get them to emit/absorb/scan all manner of things they aren't designed for that they said gently caress it and literally put the thing where the crew can't touch it.
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Jul 2, 2020 06:49
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:why would you post this the good news for the show is that expectations can't get any lower, which might be the main theme
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Jul 2, 2020 06:52
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pyrotek posted:the good news for the show is that expectations can't get any lower, which might be the main theme Lower decks could be the best modern Star Trek series. It wouldn't take much.
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Jul 2, 2020 06:56
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Yeah it's just continuing a proud starfleet tradition of ship designers that hate engineers.    
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Jul 2, 2020 07:07
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Man, Harry Kim saves the entire crew of the Voyager with a message from the future and HE STILL CAN'T GET A PROMOTION?
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Jul 2, 2020 07:53
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Animal-Mother posted:Man, Harry Kim saves the entire crew of the Voyager with a message from the future and HE STILL CAN'T GET A PROMOTION? The Harry Kim who saved the ship erased himself from existence to do so. We will morn his loss and honor his sacrifice by posthumously promoting him to LT. The Harry Kim who's alive today is a different person and hasn't earned that promotion, but now knows where the bar is set.
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Jul 2, 2020 08:47
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8one6 posted:The Harry Kim who's alive today is a different person
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Jul 2, 2020 10:50
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Arivia posted:Just got to Q-Who in my rewatch. Jeez they sell the Borg real well. And that baby in the crèche is just as terrifying as I remember 25 years later. I liked that they wanted to use a real baby but like, you can't make a baby sit in a makeup chair. It's probably illegal in some way to smear the baby with prosthetics and face paint. So baby gets a little borg hat. 
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Jul 2, 2020 14:00
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womb with a view posted:I liked that they wanted to use a real baby but like, you can't make a baby sit in a makeup chair. It's probably illegal in some way to smear the baby with prosthetics and face paint. So baby gets a little borg hat. And the baby is just laughing and giggling along, which makes the final take even more horrifying. It’s happy to be borgified.
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Jul 2, 2020 14:20
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Arivia posted:It’s happy to be borgified. Man, I would be too. Never have to worry about unemployment, debt, healthcare, or retirement. 
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Jul 2, 2020 14:28
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Q Who borg were presented as a unique species that didn't really borgify anyone, though, they just assimilated technology. So the baby-to-Borg pipeline is all they really know. Star Trek always had a hard time selling the horror of the Borg imo. Voyager hosed it up even more, but TNG had trouble too. I don't even totally blame the writers, because it's a really hard problem to explain what it means to lose "individuality" while still existing in a way that lets you experience things and remember the experience if you get de-Borged.
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Jul 2, 2020 14:38
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Then Unimatrix Zero came along and showed us a bit of what the Collective supposedly looks like "on the inside" and you're all "uh.. so you don't actually lose your individuality, you just kinda hang out in a crowded online chatroom for eternity until your body dies or someone de-Borgs you?"
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Jul 2, 2020 14:41
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8one6 posted:The Harry Kim who saved the ship erased himself from existence to do so. We will morn his loss and honor his sacrifice by posthumously promoting him to LT. lol
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Jul 2, 2020 14:42
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 I feel like putting the captain's quarters two meters away from a phaser bank is just asking for trouble.  who's holding up the drat lift
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Jul 2, 2020 14:48
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MikeJF posted:
In the age of sail the captain's cabin typically included two loaded cannons.
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Jul 2, 2020 14:50
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MikeJF posted:
Never stop this project, it looks good as hell.
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Jul 2, 2020 15:01
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Drone posted:Then Unimatrix Zero came along and showed us a bit of what the Collective supposedly looks like "on the inside" and you're all "uh.. so you don't actually lose your individuality, you just kinda hang out in a crowded online chatroom for eternity until your body dies or someone de-Borgs you?" What I don't get is why they didn't just use the Locutus template and roll from there. Borg hijack your body, but your higher functions stay more-or-less intact because of technobabble and you're basically eternally enslaved while still conscious. Throw in some stuff about how you "hear" the collective all the time so that half the people you pull out are just completely insane if they've been jacked in for long enough.
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Jul 2, 2020 15:01
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Cannons don't work near barionic radiation
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Jul 2, 2020 15:03
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Paradoxish posted:What I don't get is why they didn't just use the Locutus template and roll from there. Borg hijack your body, but your higher functions stay more-or-less intact because of technobabble and you're basically eternally enslaved while still conscious. Throw in some stuff about how you "hear" the collective all the time so that half the people you pull out are just completely insane if they've been jacked in for long enough. Well at least they did that last in Picard - all of the XBs were locked in mental trauma and needed significant therapy just to get to basic communication.
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Jul 2, 2020 15:04
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MikeJF posted:Well at least they did that last in Picard - all of the XBs were locked in mental trauma and needed significant therapy just to get to basic communication. Wasn't that because Romulans proved to be specifically hosed up by the assimilation and de-assimilation process because they all harbored THE TERRIBLE SECRET OF SPACE in their subconscious or something?
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Jul 2, 2020 15:05
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Paradoxish posted:Q Who borg were presented as a unique species that didn't really borgify anyone, though, they just assimilated technology. So the baby-to-Borg pipeline is all they really know. The best Borg horror bit is that 90 seconds in First Contact where they’re just chopping up the Enterprise crew.
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Jul 2, 2020 15:07
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Drone posted:Wasn't that because Romulans proved to be specifically hosed up by the assimilation and de-assimilation process because they all harbored THE TERRIBLE SECRET OF SPACE in their subconscious or something? Yes, but I believe most of the former borg weren't Romulan.
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Jul 2, 2020 17:08
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Hah, I just realised that another trend with background kitbash ships is they'd usually be unimaginatively named after a town or place somewhere in America (probably where the episode's writer grew up or took a holiday when he was five or something). And here we have the California-Class USS Cerritos.
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Jul 2, 2020 18:36
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I thought the whole point of Unimatrix Zero was that it was a glitch in the Collective that allowed individuals to retain their individuality despite being in the Collective. I don't think that was supposed to be what the whole Collective was like. In other episodes it's implied that it's more like locked-in syndrome where you can see what is going on but you can't do anything (I think Picard says this after BoBW).
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Jul 2, 2020 20:23
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FlamingLiberal posted:I thought the whole point of Unimatrix Zero was that it was a glitch in the Collective that allowed individuals to retain their individuality despite being in the Collective. I don't think that was supposed to be what the whole Collective was like. In other episodes it's implied that it's more like locked-in syndrome where you can see what is going on but you can't do anything (I think Picard says this after BoBW). I like the idea that "Picard" introduced (or maybe it was Voyager) that the collective is so intoxicating you don't want to leave. Something about that is scarier to me than being held hostage in your body.
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Jul 2, 2020 21:04
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I like the idea that "Picard" introduced (or maybe it was Voyager) that the collective is so intoxicating you don't want to leave. Something about that is scarier to me than being held hostage in your body.
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Jul 2, 2020 21:09
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don't remember this at all, are you sure? It was when Seven was afraid that she wouldn't want to leave the Collective when she temporarily became Borg Queen I think of it as a logical extension of Internet addiction
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Jul 2, 2020 21:11
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Well, I mean being queen is likely a different situation than just being a drone. Can't say I really cared for that fully anyways since the only way the queen made sense to me is that it was a manifestation of the collective will. You can't just insert a different queen, it doesn't work that way.
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Jul 2, 2020 21:55
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MikeJF posted:Hah, I just realised that another trend with background kitbash ships is they'd usually be unimaginatively named after a town or place somewhere in America (probably where the episode's writer grew up or took a holiday when he was five or something). And here we have the California-Class USS Cerritos. I won't hear this slander against the New Orleans Class!
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Jul 2, 2020 22:10
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The New York-class USS Rochester limps back into drydock once again, having made it nearly as far as the Oort cloud before experiencing catastrophic economic failure
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Jul 2, 2020 23:48
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MikeJF posted:Hah, I just realised that another trend with background kitbash ships is they'd usually be unimaginatively named after a town or place somewhere in America (probably where the episode's writer grew up or took a holiday when he was five or something). And here we have the California-Class USS Cerritos. Murica-Class! 
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Jul 3, 2020 00:43
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FlamingLiberal posted:I thought the whole point of Unimatrix Zero was that it was a glitch in the Collective that allowed individuals to retain their individuality despite being in the Collective. I don't think that was supposed to be what the whole Collective was like. In other episodes it's implied that it's more like locked-in syndrome where you can see what is going on but you can't do anything (I think Picard says this after BoBW). I imagine it is being just that, a complete loss of individuality. You're still able to think and communicate, but you are so subsumed into the collective that there is no distinction between what your thoughts are versus the ones that have come from others. It's being swept up into a crowd. Everyone has had times when they get swept up in the moment, for the Borg that moment just never ends.
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Jul 3, 2020 00:53
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Brick Card posted:Murica-Class! That little nub sticking out of the nacelle irrationally irritates me. Even more than the obvious Constitution neck stuck between two Galaxy parts 
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Jul 3, 2020 00:55
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McSpanky posted:That little nub sticking out of the nacelle irrationally irritates me. Even more than the obvious Constitution neck stuck between two Galaxy parts I always wanted to see inside rooms in the neck, given they would be small enough to have windows on both sides of the room.
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Jul 3, 2020 01:03
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McSpanky posted:That little nub sticking out of the nacelle irrationally irritates me. Even more than the obvious Constitution neck stuck between two Galaxy parts Yeah what's with the nub, did they forget to saw the neck tenon flush after inserting it?
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Jul 3, 2020 01:03
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Turns out that poo poo's actually functional, it's a tiny deflector dish: And the neck is from the Constellation and contains its Connie refit-style torpedo bays, plus one of the Constellation's phaser cannons on the saucer there. What a daffy little frankenship
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Jul 3, 2020 02:09
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I just imagine that thing spinning wildly out of control any time they try to move forward.
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Jul 3, 2020 02:12
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McSpanky posted:Turns out that poo poo's actually functional, it's a tiny deflector dish: I'm the deflector pushing interstellar particles away from the Bussard Scoop as it tries to pull them in.
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bull3964 posted:Well, I mean being queen is likely a different situation than just being a drone. It wasn't just herself that Seven was worried about : Seven: We could reactivate, reconnect the transceivers. Be a kind of micro-Collective of just the Borg on this cube. Coordinate their movements. Deploy them against the Romulan troops. Elnor: That sounds amazing. Do that. Seven: Assimilate them. Invade their minds. Suppress their identities. Enslave them. Again. Elnor: You can release them when we win. Seven: They won't want to be released. And I ... I might not want to release them.
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