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By doing an arc involving fighting literal fascists from Earth's history Enterprise made itself the last relevant Star Trek story
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bull3964 posted:Apparently Bruce Botnick let slip he's working on a new Atmos mix for Star Trek: TMP. That lines up with rumors that the Director's Cut is being worked on for a UHD release. I hope they include the original cut as well. I don't mind the director's cut, but I prefer the original. bull3964 posted:You cannot call yourself a Star Trek fan if the thought of seeing the full reveal of the Connie refit in glorious 4k with HDR while Goldsmith's theme blares out of 7 channels including overhead doesn't move something in you. The old Blu-ray transfer was one of the earlyish Blu-ray releases that went overboard on DNR and edge enhancement that left everybody looking like wax figures with halos around the edges, so I imagine a new release would be a massive improvement.
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pyrotek posted:I hope they include the original cut as well. I don't mind the director's cut Robert Wise's level of involvement in the so-called Director's Edition of TMP is highly questionable.
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Jul 15, 2020 20:54
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Arivia posted:how many star trek series DON'T have run ins with nazis or aliens inspired by nazis? tng and ds9, maybe? (not counting the new ones) Cardassians are in DS9 and TNG.
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Jul 15, 2020 21:04
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Jul 15, 2020 21:05
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I couldn't tell you the exact episode but there is no way in hell TNG didn't run into any form of space Nazi. Maybe the Eugenics planet where Frasier Cranes wife was intersex and tried to gently caress Riker? idk
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Jul 15, 2020 21:21
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Maybe the Eugenics planet where Frasier Cranes wife was intersex and tried to gently caress Riker? idk You're misremembering, unless you just mean she was really "inter" sex with Riker
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Jul 15, 2020 21:24
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just gonna sit here for a while imagining Willem Dafoe in The Lighthouse saying that
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Jul 15, 2020 21:56
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Sir Lemming posted:You're misremembering, unless you just mean she was really "inter" sex with Riker I think they're conflating the episodes "First Contact" (alien-sex-crazed Bebe Neuwirth) and "The Outcast" (androgynous alien, also hot for beard).
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Jul 16, 2020 00:23
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What’s the episode where Riker’s on a date in Ten Forward and he’s just wearing this ridiculous silk shirt with his chest hair in full bloom. Like how can anything - female, male, genderless, space whale - resist that?
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Jul 16, 2020 00:47
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HD DAD posted:What’s the episode where Riker’s on a date in Ten Forward and he’s just wearing this ridiculous silk shirt with his chest hair in full bloom. I know there's another silk shirt in TNG but the only one I can remember that puts his chest hair on full display is the one from Angel One: 
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Jul 16, 2020 02:24
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I know there's another silk shirt in TNG but the only one I can remember that puts his chest hair on full display is the one from Angel One: I like how Deanna's just beaming during this. "Look at MY man." Also I meant episodes with aliens inspired by Nazis like the TOS/VOY episodes where they adopted Nazi trappings, not "aliens that are thematically akin to" like Cardassians.
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Jul 16, 2020 02:37
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HD DAD posted:What’s the episode where Riker’s on a date in Ten Forward and he’s just wearing this ridiculous silk shirt with his chest hair in full bloom. I will never stop linking these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocPQKjuCqM0
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Jul 16, 2020 03:12
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Epicurius posted:When the Nazis came to power, they kept the economy going by basically going full military. They increased the size of the military, they built armaments, and started these big public works programs that had joint military-civilian purposes. The problem economically with that, was that choice wasn't really sustainable, Once WWII started, when the Germans would take over a country, they'd basically loot it, and all the conquered country's resources, gold and foreign currency reserves and so on, would be sent to Germany to keep the German economy afloat. This is honestly not something you can keep doing for long. Lot of similarities there to how capitalism requires constant growth and new resources. On the Cardassian note, I would really like if some showed up in Picard and in the decades since the Dominion War ended they have become more cultured and artistic and peace loving, much like Germany following WWII.
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Jul 16, 2020 03:25
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Pick posted:It is extremely true that they were badly administratively mismanaged, but I think it's also a mistake to always highlight that, because I think it confuses the issue that it is not why they were bad. I mean, worth mentioning, but I think as a major diversion it's very odd because it sort of implies that if they were more bureaucratically streamlined than they would have been more compelling. In the case of the Nazis of course the answer is no.
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Jul 16, 2020 03:46
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Nessus posted:The "they made the trains run on time" myth has been part of the apologetics for fascism for quite some time... I also think their inefficiency raises the alternate-universe question of, "If they were able to unfuck their logistics, could they have won?" they would have made a shitload more porcelain dogs though
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Jul 16, 2020 03:48
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More TOS- Is There In Truth No Beauty?- Diana Muldaur, who later plays Dr. Pulaski in TNG S2, shows up for her second and final TOS appearance. Certainly feels like the budget cuts are in full effect with an episode where everything takes place on the ship and the alien of the week can't be seen by human eyes. It definitely feels like they dialed up the sexism pretty hard for this episode compared to others. Diana Muldaur's character gets constantly berated by the male lead of the week and others for not wanting to have a relationship with someone and being consumed with their work. It's also implied later in the episode that she wanted Spock to die out of jealousy? It's definitely not what you would call a feminist episode. It seems a little weird that the Federation has contact with aliens that somehow know how to navigate a starship through the Galactic Barrier and out into inter-galactic space. Of course this never comes up again. This is definitely in the lower rung of TOS for me.
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Jul 16, 2020 03:55
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I know there's another silk shirt in TNG but the only one I can remember that puts his chest hair on full display is the one from Angel One: Off the top of my head I recall him wearing some crazy silk pajama thing in Ten Forward when he’s playing his trombone and in the alien abduction episode.
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Jul 16, 2020 03:59
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maybe the real star treks were inside us all along
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Jul 16, 2020 06:09
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Senor Tron posted:On the Cardassian note, I would really like if some showed up in Picard and in the decades since the Dominion War ended they have become more cultured and artistic and peace loving, much like Germany following WWII.  My dear Doctor, I'm as happy as a little girl.
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Jul 16, 2020 06:43
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Concept idea for the Defiant's mission patch (and the one they went with:  )
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Jul 16, 2020 08:34
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That scared little Borg cube owns.
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Jul 16, 2020 08:40
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MikeJF posted:Concept idea for the Defiant's mission patch this looks exactly like the deviantart content someone linked in gbs of the prius with exaggerated genitals
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Jul 16, 2020 08:42
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Tag urself I'm "Assimilate THIS!... " in plain crappy font
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Jul 16, 2020 08:49
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Browsing some of Drexler's posts. The J definitely looks better from behind. I do prefer the two-hull version, but they wanted something closer to the NX-01 for Enterprise  Production team having just stolen these from the dumpster out back during the set teardown of TNG  Hah, this was literally one of the FX crew's bread-making machine, borrowed.  baseball!  There's a few memos and letters from the 60s there and it makes sad we stopped using Futura for everything. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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Jul 16, 2020 08:59
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MikeJF posted:it makes sad we stopped using Futura for everything. Futura kerning sucks big time and there is no one around to fix it
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Jul 16, 2020 09:23
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I thought the Cardassians were supposed to be WWII Japan.Epicurius posted:If you get the chance, I'd recommend Adam Tooze's book, "The Wages of Destruction", which goes into how the German economy worked. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Cool stuff, thanks!
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They're all of them, Doctor - especially the ones you don't think of. These super-spindly enterprises make no sense to me. You need to have some kind of interior to the ship. Unless you're stuffing everything into holospace or something.
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Nessus posted:They're all of them, Doctor - especially the ones you don't think of. The enterprise-J is loving massive, so the spindly saucer is like a hundred metres thick. The nacelle pylons were deliberately designed incredibly thin because they wanted to imply ridiculously advanced tech and the idea that simple material science and structural rules as we understand it is barely relevant anymore. It was a deliberate recreation of the way that the TOS enterprise's pylons were designed to have the same effect, but taken to an even further extreme. For all the flack it gets, there's quite a few bits about the J I quite like. I like the idea that the skyscraper-style windows are because the saucer's so large, the decks on the outer half of the saucer can face with feet out towards the edge without the curve being an issue and you've just got windows on two sides. (Drexler said that the windows were designed with the idea that it's big enough that old-style up and down aren't relevant anymore). And if the big glow in the centre of the saucer is a window/dome (it's colored the same as the windows, after all) then you've got a huge football-field sized glass-domed space in the middle of the ship which is a nice idea for the center of what's meant to be a full-on city-ship. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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Jul 16, 2020 12:51
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Yeah, the J is rad. I hope we get to see more of it on screen down the line and it's not just ignored completely. I can see the Disco team being able to evolve that design in really interesting ways if they pick up the design cues from it for season 3 ships. Though I still think it makes sense that so far in the future (assuming they don't go for a societal/technological collapse storyline which I kind of assume they will  ) that ships would just be giant holodecks without traditional physical structures for most of the ship—outside of warp and replicator tech. Might make the series feel too much like fantasy, though, so I'd get why they might not want to go that way.
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Jul 16, 2020 13:29
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There's a few bits I saw from Drexler I don't have on hand where he implied that large parts of the interior of the J are basically just like they took Yorktown and stuck warp nacelles on the back of it. Large open spaces, literally towns inside big parks, concourses, parts of it that have a 'down' of whichever way is convenient, separate suburbs in different parts of the ship. If your warp tech gets big enough that the space available to you is that much bigger than the number of people you want to haul, I guess there's no need to squash them up. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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Jul 16, 2020 13:39
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Doug is a great FB follow. All this talk of holodeck ships reminds me of the Lego starships I would build as a kid, with absurdly small saucer sections under the logic that they were all holodeck so people were packed in there and just felt like they had lots of space. Edit: also that alternate J design with the two separate hulls is so much better.
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Jul 16, 2020 14:02
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Didn't Voyager have a ship that was bigger on the inside that predates the J? Makes you wonder why the J would need to be so massive, unless the TARDIS technology is somehow more difficult to make than a ship the size of a small planetoid.
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MikeJF posted:There's a few bits I saw from Drexler I don't have on hand where he implied that large parts of the interior of the J are basically just like they took Yorktown and stuck warp nacelles on the back of it. Large open spaces, literally towns inside big parks, concourses, parts of it that have a 'down' of whichever way is convenient, separate suburbs in different parts of the ship. This is how you get lost civilisations on disabled starships. Imagine the bridge blows off with all officers on board, warp core gets a breach and is ejected and subspace comsm are down? The ship is drifting through emptiness of space till it crashes somewhere... with or without regressed to cannibalism inhabitants
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AntherUslessPoster posted:This is how you get lost civilisations on disabled starships. The Orville has an episode about this, it's one of the better ones
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Snow Cone Capone posted:The Orville has an episode about this, it's one of the better ones Yup had it in mind but it can very easily go the Pandorum (2009) way
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Humerus posted:Didn't Voyager have a ship that was bigger on the inside that predates the J? Makes you wonder why the J would need to be so massive, unless the TARDIS technology is somehow more difficult to make than a ship the size of a small planetoid.
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Humerus posted:Didn't Voyager have a ship that was bigger on the inside that predates the J? Makes you wonder why the J would need to be so massive, unless the TARDIS technology is somehow more difficult to make than a ship the size of a small planetoid. Enterprise had 'Future Tense', where they found a ship that was bigger on the inside, however I don't think there was an episode of Voyager with one.
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I remember reading at one point that Enterprise wanted to do a crossover with the Dr Who revival which started around that time, but it ended up falling through. Though that could be complete bullshit.
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