PerniciousKnid posted:

All characters are having sex any time they aren't on camera, that's why their uniform is pajamas.

multijoe posted:

Watches A Matter of Perspective yesterday and really struggling to understand why they included the rape subplot considering it gets completely dropped and Troi confirmed the wife wasn't lying from her perspective. Just a completely inexplicable inclusion that paints Riker as an oblivious sex pest then drops the thread entirely

bull3964 posted:

This is another one of those things that doesn't look great in 2020 but was fine at the time.

We know witness testimony is unreliable because memory doesn't record a verbatim record of events. A witness can absolutely believe they saw a thing when they did not.

That was essentially used by the writers to nerf Troi's powers so as to not have the story end in 5 seconds. Unfortunately, that little writing shortcut makes the character look a lot worse in 2020 after we see a pattern of gaslighting and denial of similar patterns of behavior in real life exposed.

You might say that how the episode is viewed is a matter of perspective.

PerniciousKnid posted:

All characters are having sex any time they aren't on camera, that's why their uniform is pajamas.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

HD DS9 ain’t happening unless it’s a fan passion project, and even then it’s just a matter of how far they’ll get before CBS inevitably tries to shut them down.

Nullsmack posted:

There is this guy: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/314653-remastering-deep-space-nine
I wish someone would make an open-source AI upscaling thing, that Topaz software is $200 and then according to that person it takes hours and hours to run per episode. The results seem pretty decent but those HD captures posted by TrekCore are definitely much better.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

With stuff like this I feel like you’re better off just completing the entire project in secret and only announcing it and doing interviews once it’s totally done and out in the world and impossible for CBS to completely erase from the Internet or sue you into oblivion to stop.

Sodomy Hussein posted:

I'm sure this in Gene's story bible

multijoe posted:

Nobody in TNG maybe (except Riker), the DS9 crew definitely hosed

bull3964 posted:

This is another one of those things that doesn't look great in 2020 but was fine at the time.

We know witness testimony is unreliable because memory doesn't record a verbatim record of events. A witness can absolutely believe they saw a thing when they did not.

That was essentially used by the writers to nerf Troi's powers so as to not have the story end in 5 seconds. Unfortunately, that little writing shortcut makes the character look a lot worse in 2020 after we see a pattern of gaslighting and denial of similar patterns of behavior in real life exposed.

You might say that how the episode is viewed is a matter of perspective.

Nullsmack posted:

There is this guy: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/314653-remastering-deep-space-nine
I wish someone would make an open-source AI upscaling thing, that Topaz software is $200 and then according to that person it takes hours and hours to run per episode. The results seem pretty decent but those HD captures posted by TrekCore are definitely much better.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

On that note, I recently watched the TOS episode The Enemy Within. It's (in my opinion) a very good episode, but everything about the 'Evil Kirk tries to rape Janice Rand' subplot was really hard to watch. After nearly getting raped, Rand has to confront the man she thought just tried to rape her (which is in itself really bad) and makes all kinds of rationalizations: "I wouldn't have even brought it up" and "I don't want to get you in trouble". The worst moment of all, though, is Spock joking with Rand about finding the evil twin attractive at the end of the episode.

I'm not sure "It was 1966" totally explains that absolutely horrible writing.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Yeoman Rand is only in like 8 episodes and gets either raped or nearly raped in 1/4 of those

Both The Enemy Within and Charlie X are rough for her

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

I'm not sure "It was 1966" totally explains that absolutely horrible writing.

multijoe posted:

Even the obvious MeToo comparisons aside the difference in their accounts is so stark it's difficult to understand how they could have drawn their conclusisons from the same events, like in Riker's testimony the wife is practically throwing herself at Riker and starts undressing herself in front of him and in the wife's Riker literally pinned her against the wall trying to rape her - either the wife started stripping trying to seduce Riker or she didn't and she either begged Riker to leave her alone or she didn't, the plot seems like it's going to go somewhere with the unexplainable contradiction and then it just disappears unresolved with a complete unrelated ending.

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In one study on the audience-tuning effect, participants watched a video of a bar fight. In the video, two intoxicated men get into a physical confrontation after one man has argued with his friend, and the other has seen his favourite football team lose a match. Afterwards, participants were asked to tell a stranger what they had seen.

The study’s participants were split into two groups. One group was told that the stranger disliked one of the two fighters in the video. The other group was told that the stranger liked this same fighter. Unsurprisingly, this extra information shaped how people described the video to the stranger. Participants gave more negative accounts of the behaviour of the fighter if they believed the stranger disliked him.

More importantly though, the way people told their story later affected the way they remembered the fighter’s behaviour. When participants later tried to remember the fight in a neutral, unbiased way, the two groups still gave somewhat differing accounts of what had happened, mirroring the attitude of their original audience. To an extent, these participants’ stories had become their memories.

PerniciousKnid posted:

Let me help you square that circle: 1966 sucked.

Just watched Booby Trap. Whoever picked that name should be fired into the sun. Kind of decent episode, and then Geordi kisses a hologram. You know, you really suck, Geordi. I can't believe the writers decided his Barclay impersonation was the plot deserving a follow-up episode.

Also can't help but lol at the idea that the computer can't calculate the best path out of the debris field because it doesn't want to stay alive badly enough.

bull3964 posted:

A more exaggerated but better done version of this type of story is "The X-Files" episode "Bad Blood." It's handled better because after we hear both versions of events from Mulder and Scully, we get to see what REALLY happened and it's straight down the middle. It's kinda funny because the "stakes" are the same (pun intended) since Mulder is being accused of killing a teenager because he thought he was a vampire (spoiler alert, he was).

Kibayasu posted:

The booby trap is actually holo-Brahms.

bull3964 posted:

It may not be that far off of real life.


She had just undergone a trauma and Riker is being accused of a capital crime. Both are going to retreat to their own corners. Yeah, it's a bit over the top, especially with how little time has passed. It's still not that far off from reality.

The dynamic itself is what makes it uncomfortable to watch today, especially when no one was talking about additional charges over her assault claims. Even when he's exonerated of murder, there should be a separate tribunal to investigate her behavior claims, but I guess we're supposed to take it as read that the evidence that Riker didn't murder her husband caused her to re-evaluate what she remembers (as lovely as that feels today.)

Jewel Repetition posted:

thotsky posted:

Watching the TOS episode "The Changeling" where Spock describes the probe they encounter as having "weight: 500 kilograms, shape: roughly cylindrical, length: a fraction over 1 meter" and my girlfriend looks up from her cell phone long enough to quip "sounds like a star trek fan".

Brute Squad posted:

just hit season 4 of my ds9 rewatch.

it's worfin' time

Abalone Malone posted:

that's pretty good

Jewel Repetition posted:

Humerus posted:

It really is striking how without the combadge the DS9/Voyager jumpsuits just look like pajamas.
Star Trek uniforms need to bring back rank braids on the cuffs and maybe like a mission patch or something.

V-Men posted:

I mean, Air Force flight suits are basically adult onesies.

bull3964 posted:

It may not be that far off of real life.


She had just undergone a trauma and Riker is being accused of a capital crime. Both are going to retreat to their own corners. Yeah, it's a bit over the top, especially with how little time has passed. It's still not that far off from reality.

The dynamic itself is what makes it uncomfortable to watch today, especially when no one was talking about additional charges over her assault claims. Even when he's exonerated of murder, there should be a separate tribunal to investigate her behavior claims, but I guess we're supposed to take it as read that the evidence that Riker didn't murder her husband caused her to re-evaluate what she remembers (as lovely as that feels today.)

A more exaggerated but better done version of this type of story is "The X-Files" episode "Bad Blood." It's handled better because after we hear both versions of events from Mulder and Scully, we get to see what REALLY happened and it's straight down the middle. It's kinda funny because the "stakes" are the same (pun intended) since Mulder is being accused of killing a teenager because the thought he was a vampire (spoiler alert, he was).

Sir Lemming posted:

My wife and I have finally decided to start DS9 (rewatch for me, all new for her). I'm excited even though it looks like garbage after HD TNG. But you get over it pretty quickly. It really is such a strong show right from the beginning, even though it has the usual early jitters.

I was not expecting "Babel" to feel so relevant to current events. Even without all the COVID comparisons it's definitely a less campy episode than I usually give it credit for. On paper it's a very cliché Trek plot, but they did everything they could to make it not feel that way.

Odo getting his "precinct" trashed by protesters in the previous episode was also uncomfortably relevant.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Wait until you get to Past Tense

FlamingLiberal posted:

Wait until you get to Past Tense