Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

What the hell

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Pomp and Circumcized
Dec 23, 2006

If there's one thing I love more than GruntKilla420, it's the Queen! Also bacon.

What broke that made the welding necessary?

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Probably cross-threaded it with the hammer torque set on Kong.

Joe Mama
May 10, 2008

I just saw the red version of this in Pleasanton, CA this afternoon. It was better executed though.

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

Pomp and Circumcized posted:

What broke that made the welding necessary?




Threads were stripped.

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

Pomp and Circumcized posted:

What broke that made the welding necessary?

It probably speaks to how hosed up my brain is that I saw Powershift and then that and then assumed that road salt had somehow rusted that instead of it having been welded by some shop monkey.

chrisgt
Sep 6, 2011

:getin:
Every time I do a repair like that, I'm the next guy. And it's usually a bigger emergency than the last time...
I don't sell cars to anyone besides the junk yard anymore, so I don't even try to fix it well enough ti dump.... Hey, anyone wanna buy a biturbo?

Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017

All the pictures of people creating sparks too close to oxy acetylene setups come to mind

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Pomp and Circumcized
Dec 23, 2006

If there's one thing I love more than GruntKilla420, it's the Queen! Also bacon.

Exciting Mechanical Failures: could get another 100 feet out of that with some luck and a good tailwind

dpack_1
Mar 23, 2009

Let another's wounds be your warning
Back in May / June I took my car ('06 2.7L Hyundai Coupe / Tiburon) to get it's yearly inspection. We had some 6 month Covid extension thing offered but i wanted to get it out the way while i still had some sweet government money in the bank.

Took it just opposite my apartment to a KwikFit (Monro Muffler & Brake style place but here in the UK). They're known for being slightly over priced and notorious for saying you've got issues with your brakes or tyres during an inspection as it's an easy upsell to hit quotas and bonuses, but it's literally opposite my home, so for convenience they're fine for inspections and tyres.

So I got the call about 2hrs after I dropped it off saying "Yeah, it's unfortunately failed, your front pads are nearly shot, and your rears are basically non-existant, both pads and rotors back there don't look like they've ever been changed! Oh and you're also leaking oil and you've got a gaping hole in the front flexi pipe of your exhaust."

I accept the exhaust leak, it's been pretty bad since i bought the car a few years back, one determined screwdriver stab would have punctured it for sure. As for the oil 'leak', i'd literally changed the oil 24hours earlier, i probably spilt some out the filter as I was always taught to half fill a new filter before fitting it, but when it sits at 90 degrees you'll get some leakage, and of course the sump pan had some oil smear from where I drained it. So I knew that was BS. The front brakes, yeah, probably due.

The kicker though was when i asked them how many miles were on the clock; "108k", cool, i say, how many were on it last year when you did the MOT; "106.5", right, awesome, and remind me, what work did you guys do back then to get it to pass the MOT last year?

"Uh... we... well... it says here that we uhhh... we changed your rear pads and rotors"

That's what i thought, and they dont wear out in 1500 miles and certainly wouldn't look like they've "never been changed"!

They apologised profusely, fitted new pads and rotors on the rear again for free, but i still failed on everything else.

Fastforward to last week. I have headers sat here and wanna take them out to a specialist shop a good 200 miles away to the guy that worked at Hyundai to develop the Delta 2.7. Gonna have him to do a full block back exhaust with them, as well as a 110k timing tune. Covid is kinda stopping my plans with that, so i cheap out and get a few meters of titanium / kevlar weave, some jubilee clamps and just wrap the hell out of the leaking flexi pipe.

Take it back in for an MOT the other day. 1hr later. Passed with no dangerous defects, no minor defects and the only advisory was now just that the offside front rotor was slightly pitted or worn but within tolerance.

Gotta love franchise mechanics milking customers for all their worth because cars run on magic and telling a soccer mum that they have no brakes and their tyres are about to explode gets them to drop an extra £400-500 real quick.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Man discovers one simple trick to covert your engine from internal to external combustion, mechanics hate him!

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Man discovers one simple trick to covert your engine from internal to external combustion, mechanics hate him!

Elon musk's new external combustion car is just a massive Tesla shaped piece of C4 that kills you instantly.

e, contentish:

LifeSunDeath fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Sep 12, 2020

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

dpack_1 posted:


Gotta love franchise mechanics milking customers for all their worth because cars run on magic and telling a soccer mum that they have no brakes and their tyres are about to explode gets them to drop an extra £400-500 real quick.

What did they quote you?

dpack_1
Mar 23, 2009

Let another's wounds be your warning

Colostomy Bag posted:

What did they quote you?

After calling them out for the false BS with the rear brakes they didn't even quote the rest of the work.

I just paid £30 for the MOT, took it home for a few months and then took it back in after wrapping the obnoxiously loud exhaust, and fitting a K&N CAI in that time which I thought may have come back to bite me with emissions somehow but nope.

They certainly aren't cheap though, an oil change is £79 there! And they refuse to acknowledge the memo from Hyundai about only using OEM oil filters as generics cause some knock for some convoluted Korean reason. Though honestly, unless you aren't physically abled, or don't have the driveway space / live on a quiet road, I think people should know how to change their own oil just like they should know how to pump gas.

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?
I'd service my own brand new car if it wasn't for the service book stamp and potential warranty claims. I'm so tired of people loving poo poo up. There are already bent sills from someone putting the blocks in the wrong place, and I've only been to a tire shop (whom I trust, so I don't think it's them). I'm taking pictures of everything before leaving it, and I will be going after any damage. Especially any damage to my rims if they decide to take them off.

KIA seems to have very easy to service engines though, which is probably why the service cost itself is low. Designed that way.

NoWake
Dec 28, 2008

College Slice
Yeah my mom drove a 2000 VW New Beetle (5-speed, she rules) until the local mechanic dumped a bottle of stopleak down the cooling system to fix a pinhole leak in the radiator. He didn't want to spend the time it would take to remove the things in the way of replacing the radiator outright. Following that 'service', it overheated & stranded her out in the wilds between Columbus & Sandusky like 3 times before it was taken to the junk yard.

Now she drives a Kia. Under the hood of her 1st gen Soul, it looks more like what you'd find under the lid of a riding lawnmower. The engine is tiny, all the components are visible, and there's tons of room to work. She misses the bug, but since I'm not nearby to maintain a VW I gotta trust the local yokel mechanic (to be fair he's a one-man operation and he's SWAMPED with work) with something easier to work on.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



NoWake posted:

Yeah my mom drove a 2000 VW New Beetle (5-speed, she rules) until the local mechanic dumped a bottle of stopleak down the cooling system to fix a pinhole leak in the radiator. He didn't want to spend the time it would take to remove the things in the way of replacing the radiator outright. Following that 'service', it overheated & stranded her out in the wilds between Columbus & Sandusky like 3 times before it was taken to the junk yard.

Now she drives a Kia. Under the hood of her 1st gen Soul, it looks more like what you'd find under the lid of a riding lawnmower. The engine is tiny, all the components are visible, and there's tons of room to work. She misses the bug, but since I'm not nearby to maintain a VW I gotta trust the local yokel mechanic (to be fair he's a one-man operation and he's SWAMPED with work) with something easier to work on.

How does she like the Soul?

My wife wants to get a used one. I read of engine problems, but I see tons of them on the road.

edit:

sharkytm posted:

My mom had a 2012. ...

THANK YOU

She'll be going automatic. I taught her how to drive a manual in 1988 and she hated it, won't touch one.

It's a character flaw I can live with.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Sep 14, 2020

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
I'm really not sure what else you were expecting.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Ba

By

Sharkytm doot doo do doot do doo


Fallen Rib

PainterofCrap posted:

How does she like the Soul?

My wife wants to get a used one. I read of engine problems, but I see tons of them on the road.

My mom had a 2012. The 2.0 was a decent motor, surprisingly peppy with the 6-speed manual. She had basically zero problems with it in 75k miles. No cruise control, which was a real drag when she did highway driving, but that was only because it had a stick shift. The newer ones are better, although unless you want a base BASE model, it'll be an auto. They keep marketing them to teenagers and young families, but I only see older women driving them.

No. 6
Jun 30, 2002

sharkytm posted:

My mom had a 2012. The 2.0 was a decent motor, surprisingly peppy with the 6-speed manual. She had basically zero problems with it in 75k miles. No cruise control, which was a real drag when she did highway driving, but that was only because it had a stick shift. The newer ones are better, although unless you want a base BASE model, it'll be an auto. They keep marketing them to teenagers and young families, but I only see older women driving them.

What does a transmission have to do with cruise control?

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Because for a long time manual vehicles were the poverty spec and cruise control wasn't an option at all. It might still mostly be that way, though it probably depends on the badge.

No. 6
Jun 30, 2002

That was a very long time ago. I don't think manual transmissions have been a standard in America for over 50 years.

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

No. 6 posted:

That was a very long time ago. I don't think manual transmissions have been a standard in America for over 50 years.

Much like government handouts, manual transmissions aren't cool if your poor but very cool when you're rich.

Just a joke. I know economics of scale mean manual is generally more expensive due to low volume. I also agree with the theory though that on a Kia it would be in the stripper model option set, so you get an extra pedal and less buttons.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?
I leased a 2013 Soul 2.0/6MT before my Fiesta and I greatly enjoyed it. Had they continued to offer the 2.0/6MT configuration I would have upgraded to the second-gen model without question, the updated rear suspension made a huge difference in ride and handling.

IMO the 1.6 NA just didn't have enough go and the regular automatic just sucked the fun out of the 2.0. The first-gen mid-spec "Plus" model with the big motor and three pedals was really the sweet spot for "fun but practical econobox".

One of my friends has the second-gen 1.6T/DCT models and it's quite nice to drive. The DCT is almost as fun as a stick and works really nicely with the turbo.

No. 6 posted:

What does a transmission have to do with cruise control?
Nothing on the Soul, mine definitely had cruise, if that one didn't then it just must have been a very base spec.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

No. 6 posted:

What does a transmission have to do with cruise control?
On newer cars cruise is often adaptive, and you need the car to be able to shift to do that reasonably well. On older car, trim levels. There's no reason a manual can't have basic cruise.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
https://i.imgur.com/s4XlxKd.mp4

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

2020 California in car form.

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!
Something something rolling coal for rich people?

Is that some sort of older Mercedes?

Humbug
Dec 3, 2006
Bogus
Pretty sure it's an old Mitsubishi Lancer

BigPaddy
Jun 30, 2008

That night we performed the rite and opened the gate.
Halfway through, I went to fix us both a coke float.
By the time I got back, he'd gone insane.
Plus, he'd left the gate open and there was evil everywhere.


InitialDave posted:

I'm really not sure what else you were expecting.

What are you talking about? There is nothing better than a Kwikfit fitter, they're the ones to trust... to not tighten your wheel nuts so you lose one as you drive away.

The Bandit
Aug 18, 2006

Westbound And Down

PainterofCrap posted:

How does she like the Soul?

My wife wants to get a used one. I read of engine problems, but I see tons of them on the road.


I have a 2014 1.6/6MT and I think it's fantastic. I mostly drive around the city, but have no issues at 70-80+mph on the highways around me. My mom liked it so much she bought a 2020. I'd definitely get another one.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Ba

By

Sharkytm doot doo do doot do doo


Fallen Rib

No. 6 posted:

What does a transmission have to do with cruise control?

They never equipped the mantran cars with cruise because "if you were going uphill, cruise wouldn't keep the speed you set"... Basically, KIA didn't feel like equipping both. It wasn't a base spec either, it was a Soul+. I think the next gen eliminated the manual transmission from anything but the base spec, which didn't have cruise as an option. We thought about putting in an aftermarket cruise system, but it wasn't a big enough deal for her to care. The first-gen Scions were the same way: Cruise just wasn't available, but lots of people put in a Metra? system, I think.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Around 2008 the yaris hatchback manual could come without cruise control, but the ECU still supported it and it was an easy install. Basically amounted to attaching a sensor to the clutch pedal (to disengage cruise control when you pressed the pedal) and adding a run of the mill Toyota cruise control stalk to the steering wheel.

Like most things the cost of the parts was the worst part of the job.. I ended up skipping the stalk and wiring up my own buttons on the dashboard.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

PainterofCrap posted:

How does she like the Soul?

My wife wants to get a used one. I read of engine problems, but I see tons of them on the road.

I mean... I don't have much experience myself, but a guy I used to work with is on his 3rd Soul, he really likes them. Took the first one up to about 250k before getting caught in a 3 car pileup. Second one he ignored the timing belt on for too long and it munched some valves. Third one is still going. He does delivery/courier work (which is absolute hell on a car), and has for as long as I've known him (over a decade).

His only complaints have been how quickly the clutches wear out compared to other makes, and how hard it is to get starters, alternators, and AC compressors for them. The aftermarket was pretty slow to catch up, but the parts aren't that bad (relatively speaking) through the dealer. Even better at junkyards. His first one had a real starter appetite - and it was never the starter motor itself, it was the bendix every time. It wouldn't throw the gear out to engage the flywheel, it'd just spin. I think he was on his 4th starter on the first one when it got totaled. That was an early Soul, FWIW. I think I remember Darchangel saying his wife's Kia also has short clutch life; most people I've known with manual Kias have the same complaint.

I did test drive a 2017 or 2018 last year, and I was honestly really shocked at how nice of a car it was. Plenty of power for what it was, the automatic shifted nice, very comfortable, shockingly spacious inside. Surprisingly hard to see out of the back, but it did have a backup camera. Ran away because (a) the dealer pulled the 4 square poo poo on me and (b) they wanted brand new MSRP for a 2 year old Kia with nearly 70k on it.

The engine issues seem to be the 2012-2016 with the 1.6 GDI.

If I had the money for a newer car, my short list is non-turbo Subaru that's either manual or pre-CVT, Soul, or Fit. At this point my knees are knocking and popping enough that I actually prefer automatic now, but I can't stand CVTs (except on a hybrid).

dpack_1 posted:

Gotta love franchise mechanics milking customers for all their worth because cars run on magic and telling a soccer mum that they have no brakes and their tyres are about to explode gets them to drop an extra £400-500 real quick.

This is why I went on the hellhole known as Nextdoor to ask for a non-chain shop that does inspections. Mine isn't due for a couple more months, but despite living in this neighborhood since May, I don't really know the neighborhood aside from a grocery store, a Harbor Freight, a pretty decent (and insanely cheap) Chinese restaurant, and a used bookstore (Half Price Books). Wanted to get my ducks in a row before I need the ducks.

Overwhelming response for one place in particular, so I guess I'll be going there. Need tires and 2 wheel studs replaced first (have the studs).

Speaking of.. I know drat well the drum is likely rusted to the hub on the back. Anyone know if you can just unbolt the hub from the backing plate on the rear on a 00-04 Legacy/Outback, and pull the whole thing off without disassembling the parking brake? Or do I need to get the drum off and take the shoes off first? It has a drum in hat parking brake :argh: not sure if the hub can fit through it.

And if an oil leak was a fail... they would just tell me to burn my car. It's not a rolling superfund site, but you can definitely tell where I park on the street. It's leaking from both the front and rear crank seals, and the spark plug tube seals.


xzzy posted:

Around 2008 the yaris hatchback manual could come without cruise control, but the ECU still supported it and it was an easy install. Basically amounted to attaching a sensor to the clutch pedal (to disengage cruise control when you pressed the pedal) and adding a run of the mill Toyota cruise control stalk to the steering wheel.

Like most things the cost of the parts was the worst part of the job.. I ended up skipping the stalk and wiring up my own buttons on the dashboard.

Same with the 05+ Matrix (03-04 had throttle cables, 05+ went to DBW). I kept trying to add it to my ex's 05 Matrix, but she "doesn't trust cruise control". :rolleyes: Her car was the road trip car, and I was always the one driving on road trips. Hers was so base that it didn't even have a rear wiper - the only option it has is floor mats.

evil_bunnY posted:

On newer cars cruise is often adaptive, and you need the car to be able to shift to do that reasonably well. On older car, trim levels. There's no reason a manual can't have basic cruise.

Out of every car I've owned (most of which have been manual), only one car didn't have cruise. Even my 1980 Ford had it. Some of these cars have been base models - one of the Saturns was a base, but optioned with cruise; I believe it was a dealer demo car, as it also had a sunroof and didn't get titled until it had nearly 2000 miles on it. The Subaru I have now is also a base model, only option is the auto transmission, but even the base model has cruise and heated seats standard for 03-04.

The cruise quit working on my last car (Saturn Ion), but that was because the clutch return spring broke - the pedal didn't come back up far enough on its own to hit the switch that told the PCM that the pedal was fully released. I could take off my shoes and just wedge one under the clutch pedal on a long trip if I wanted the cruise to work - it's easy enough to knock it into neutral without the clutch if I need to panic stop - but hitting a bump would usually be enough to cause the switch to go "you did what now?".

randomidiot fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Sep 14, 2020

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

sharkytm posted:

They never equipped the mantran cars with cruise because "if you were going uphill, cruise wouldn't keep the speed you set"... Basically, KIA didn't feel like equipping both. It wasn't a base spec either, it was a Soul+.
From the 2012 Soul official brochure:



Looks like cruise control is bundled with the automatic on the base trim, but it was standard on plus trim regardless of drivetrain. My 2013 Soul+ 2.0/6MT definitely had factory cruise.

NoWake
Dec 28, 2008

College Slice

PainterofCrap posted:

How does she like the Soul?

My wife wants to get a used one. I read of engine problems, but I see tons of them on the road.

edit:


THANK YOU

She'll be going automatic. I taught her how to drive a manual in 1988 and she hated it, won't touch one.

It's a character flaw I can live with.

She gets by, but misses driving a cute car that her friends in town can spot when she's out. In 3 years it hasn't needed anything aside from brakes, headlights and tires, but I suspect a clutch pretty soon since she was letting a friend's kid use it to learn stick. I've driven both, and the Soul feels like driving a golf cart where the bug was like driving a go-kart.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


xzzy posted:

Because for a long time manual vehicles were the poverty spec and cruise control wasn't an option at all. It might still mostly be that way, though it probably depends on the badge.

Our 2008 Kia Spectra5 5-speed has cruise control. It's definitely a "poverty-spec" thing, regardless of transmission. And the trans has little to do with the trim level on Kias, unless it's very recent. The Spec5 only came in "SX" trim, which was the highest trim level.

My wife wants a Soul, but needs the automatic due to back issues making clutch operation painful, unfortunately. It will be a while though, sunce the house decided it needed more $$ this weekend (AC compressor locked up = new AC system.)

STR posted:

I think I remember Darchangel saying his wife's Kia also has short clutch life; most people I've known with manual Kias have the same complaint.

The Spec5 likes to eat them at about 70k miles. On the third clutch now.

No. 6
Jun 30, 2002

I only ask because it's weird to mention the transmission as the reason for cruise not being present.

It's well understood not all packages/trims come with self dimming mirrors, electric seats, or cruise control. It's feasible that a baseline car with a 5 speed will have CC.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Not having cruise control is such a nickle and dime move nowadays with throttle by wire. There's no additional hardware required and the ECU is programmed for it. The only cost addition is the buck's worth of plastic for the switch.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply