Wicked Them Beats posted:

I honestly don't understand how you can look at this prop, that was put on the ballot BY THE BAIL INDUSTRY, and come to the conclusion that "yes, we need to restore cash bail and maybe in several years or also possibly never the legislature will come back and pass an even better bill." I seriously cannot comprehend the angle these orgs are approaching this from. Is the thought process that the legislature, after attempting to end cash bail and seeing their efforts completely stomped into dust, will come back bigger and braver to implement a better system? Why would they?

Why not gut the bail industry, and then continue to lobby the legislature for reform but with one less multi-billion dollar corporate juggernaut opposing you from the other side?

Edit: I can see something like "ok, bail is preserved by a narrow margin and the legislature decides to craft something that will get us, the important leftist orgs, on their side for the next fight" but it really feels like wishful thinking. Shooting this down now probably preserves cash bail for another 4-6 years, at least, and there's no guarantee that the political will for something better actually exists absent some big changes in the makeup of the Dem majorities.

Glass of Milk posted:

After talking with my parents and hearing how "they" are busing in violent antifa rioters to protests to kill hundreds of people (including children) and "take power", I'm glad I live in California where their votes don't count.

adoration for none posted:

I am honestly concerned that there's going to be a wave of violence from Trump supporters if he loses this election. I don't know if it's hyperbolic to worry about chuds coming into the cities to terrorize people eg. Portland.

eSporks posted:

I live in chudsville right outside Sacramento. My suburban street has 3 confederate flags on it and too many trump signs to count. 2 miles away in an elderly suburb, people have been leaving aggressive anti-dem fliers on homes. One elderly couple had a swastika spray painted on their garage because they have a Biden yard sign.
I'm legit worried, and honestly thinking about taking my yard sign down.

eSporks posted:

I live in chudsville right outside Sacramento...

eSporks posted:

I live in chudsville right outside Sacramento. My suburban street has 3 confederate flags on it and too many trump signs to count. 2 miles away in an elderly suburb, people have been leaving aggressive anti-dem fliers on homes. One elderly couple had a swastika spray painted on their garage because they have a Biden yard sign.
I'm legit worried, and honestly thinking about taking my yard sign down.

CopperHound posted:

I'm going to hazard a guess even though sacramento is surrounded in various levels of chud in all directions: Orangevale, which off the chart in the chud to distance ratio.

adoration for none posted:

I am honestly concerned that there's going to be a wave of violence from Trump supporters if he loses this election. I don't know if it's hyperbolic to worry about chuds coming into the cities to terrorize people eg. Portland.

SuperKlaus posted:

E: hm per this unsolicited text from a single mom rideshare driver she and other drivers want to remain independent 4 to 1 and support prop 22. Single mom, everyone, just trying to get by in this crazy workaday world

quote:

Yet Croydon’s claims have not been borne out. The Intercept was not able to corroborate Croydon’s allegations and has interviewed multiple sources who recounted having disturbing interactions with her that caused them to question her credibility. Buttar has denied the allegations from Croydon, who claimed that Buttar verbally harassed her about celibacy and pressed himself against her at a party. Croydon’s former roommate, however, Stacey Haines, told The Intercept that the accusation sounded remarkably familiar, as it was actually Haines who went through a period of celibacy and was mocked and harassed by Croydon for doing so. Croydon, Haines said, appeared to be taking behavior she herself had engaged in and imputing it to Buttar. (Croydon denied Haines’s account to The Intercept. “That’s not accurate,” Croydon said. “She can allege whatever she likes. Everyone has something to gain by taking potshots at me. I’ve put myself in a very vulnerable position, and I have nothing to gain by coming forward.”)

quote:

Newsom signed another measure authored by McCarty, CA AB 1185 (19R), that will give county officials more oversight of sheriff’s departments and grant them more authority to collect records from a department in the course of an investigation. The bill specifically authorizes a county to establish a sheriff oversight board and an office of the inspector general that can issue subpoenas.

adoration for none posted:

E: devil's advocate.

adoration for none posted:

E: devil's advocate. If someone is a competent candidate that can get policy done that you want, does it matter if they're a douche? Especially if no one else steps up to the plate?

eSporks posted:

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/09/30/newsom-to-sign-chokehold-ban-police-shooting-oversight-bill-1319013

This seems good.

Tying oversight to county officials ain't perfect, but its better than the AG.

adoration for none posted:

E: devil's advocate. If someone is a competent candidate that can get policy done that you want, does it matter if they're a douche? Especially if no one else steps up to the plate?

eSporks posted:

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/09/30/newsom-to-sign-chokehold-ban-police-shooting-oversight-bill-1319013

This seems good.

Tying oversight to county officials ain't perfect, but its better than the AG.

FilthyImp posted:

LBJ was a bully but we got social security. Jobs was a complete dickhole and revolutionized home computing while yelling at engineers to cut 2 seconds off of the boot time.

But ideally, no, I'd prefer the politician to be a dick to the opposition, not the intern grabbing coffee and cronuts for everyone.

krysmopompas posted:

Pelosi is personally responsible for the deaths of millions around the globe, but the opposition was mean to a former employee that tried to engineer a sex panic in retaliation.

It’s a tough call.

adoration for none posted:

The air quality is getting bad again in the bay area; I hope everybody got an air filter.

gently caress SNEEP posted:

100's of millions dead due to Pelosi's invention, dynamite.

adoration for none posted:

Maybe there are self-defense organizations in your area like the SRA? I have heard that it may be good to stock up on supplies for a few days, or just leave the area for a bit. It's loving insane that people even have to think about this.

pantslesswithwolves posted:

[POST]Community
A lot of people in the prepper community like to point at the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina as an example of post-disaster communal violence and societal breakdown, and they’re wrong. While major emergencies tend to aggravate existing security issues, the complete collapse of community cohesion and order is exaggerated, and in most cases, neighbors and strangers tend to help one another out. The first step in doing so is getting to know your neighbors and learning more about what skills, assets or vulnerabilities they may present. For example, through casual conversation (a skill learned by not being a typical goony shut-in!), I’ve learned that I have one neighbor who’s a doctor, another who recently remodeled their kitchen on their own, another who does most of their own car maintenance. I’ve also learned that I have other neighbors who have young kids and others who are immunosuppressed or require extra help in getting around. Knowing more about my immediate neighbors has given me an idea of who I might be able to look to for help, and also, who I may need to help out should the situation call for it.

Beyond getting to know your neighbors, there may be community resources in your area that can be engaged. Look and see if you have a local Community Emergency Response Team (CERT). These are basically teams of volunteers who are trained in a variety of skills, including light search and rescue, first aid, and other disaster response skills in order to support local fire/EMS/public safety. Getting involved with them can be a good way to learn about community resources and give you a view of how your local government/community can respond to an emergency. Again, this doesn’t turn you into a professional first responder- CERT members may do things like administrative work or patient triage to free up more experienced professionals for more critical tasks.

Another thing to look into are mutual aid networks. Mutual aid is something that grew out of left anarchism and basically involves organizing neighbors/communities to address shared and individual needs to the extent possible. A lot of communities organized their own de facto mutual aid networks during COVID, and this is something that could be leveraged during a disaster as well.
We encourage you to look into other local groups or collectives at your own level- the more you know about the assets and liabilities that neighbors and community at large possess, the better.

krysmopompas posted:

Pelosi is personally responsible for the deaths of millions around the globe, but the opposition was mean to a former employee that tried to engineer a sex panic in retaliation.

It’s a tough call.

krysmopompas posted:

Pelosi is personally responsible for the deaths of millions around the globe, but the opposition was mean to a former employee that tried to engineer a sex panic in retaliation.

It’s a tough call.

adoration for none posted:

Yeah, you've got a point. I thought about it after posting and decided to give him $50. I legit thought the reaction here would go the other way and was preparing for a verbal pounding. Thanks

Cup Runneth Over posted:

Shahid isn't going to win so just do what your heart tells you

don longjohns posted:

Please do not vote YES on Prop 16

Cup Runneth Over posted:

GrandpaPants posted:

"Was mean to a former employee" is a pretty hosed up way of putting sexual harassment.

krysmopompas posted:

I think you’re getting the croydon story mixed up with wilde’s story.

GrandpaPants posted:

What exactly is the point you're trying to make here? That emotional abuse is okay (it's not) but sexual harassment isn't (it's also not)?

krysmopompas posted:

Pelosi is personally responsible for the deaths of millions around the globe, but the opposition was mean to a former employee that tried to engineer a sex panic in retaliation.

It’s a tough call.

Sydin posted:

Yeah uh, can we maybe not do the Tara Reade thing where because the accusers allegations are politically inconvenient, we just slander the accuser? Thanks.

Centrist Committee posted:

lol this is framed like the classic baby Hitler time machine joke, but the ethical dimension is flattened down to voting

krysmopompas posted:

Can we also not do the Alex Morse thing too, where because the accused fits into some ‘other’ category, we automatically and uncritically fall in line with the bourgeois establishment because it doesn’t threaten our class interests?