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Wicked Them Beats posted:I honestly don't understand how you can look at this prop, that was put on the ballot BY THE BAIL INDUSTRY, and come to the conclusion that "yes, we need to restore cash bail and maybe in several years or also possibly never the legislature will come back and pass an even better bill." I seriously cannot comprehend the angle these orgs are approaching this from. Is the thought process that the legislature, after attempting to end cash bail and seeing their efforts completely stomped into dust, will come back bigger and braver to implement a better system? Why would they? Because groups that actually work in justice activism don't want to make things worse before they make things better. They think that cash bail, while awful, and literally a goal of their group to end, is not as bad as this, and at least offers some options. While Prop 25 locks in a new system that is likely to be even more oppressive. I get that in the realm of message board discussion, "eh, it looks good from the description, lets give it a shot" works. Perhaps chat up someone from a justice advocacy group?
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After talking with my parents and hearing how "they" are busing in violent antifa rioters to protests to kill hundreds of people (including children) and "take power", I'm glad I live in California where their votes don't count.
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Glass of Milk posted:After talking with my parents and hearing how "they" are busing in violent antifa rioters to protests to kill hundreds of people (including children) and "take power", I'm glad I live in California where their votes don't count. I am honestly concerned that there's going to be a wave of violence from Trump supporters if he loses this election. I don't know if it's hyperbolic to worry about chuds coming into the cities to terrorize people eg. Portland.
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 19:38 |
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The air quality is getting bad again in the bay area; I hope everybody got an air filter.
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adoration for none posted:I am honestly concerned that there's going to be a wave of violence from Trump supporters if he loses this election. I don't know if it's hyperbolic to worry about chuds coming into the cities to terrorize people eg. Portland. I'm legit worried, and honestly thinking about taking my yard sign down.
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 21:16 |
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eSporks posted:I live in chudsville right outside Sacramento. My suburban street has 3 confederate flags on it and too many trump signs to count. 2 miles away in an elderly suburb, people have been leaving aggressive anti-dem fliers on homes. One elderly couple had a swastika spray painted on their garage because they have a Biden yard sign. Maybe there are self-defense organizations in your area like the SRA? I have heard that it may be good to stock up on supplies for a few days, or just leave the area for a bit. It's loving insane that people even have to think about this. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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eSporks posted:I live in chudsville right outside Sacramento... CopperHound fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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eSporks posted:I live in chudsville right outside Sacramento. My suburban street has 3 confederate flags on it and too many trump signs to count. 2 miles away in an elderly suburb, people have been leaving aggressive anti-dem fliers on homes. One elderly couple had a swastika spray painted on their garage because they have a Biden yard sign. It’s even worse in the foothills, I see so many confederate, SoJ, and trump flags, usually all colocated naturally.
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CopperHound posted:I'm going to hazard a guess even though sacramento is surrounded in various levels of chud in all directions: Orangevale, which off the chart in the chud to distance ratio. I've got all kinds of stories about orangevale though.
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adoration for none posted:I am honestly concerned that there's going to be a wave of violence from Trump supporters if he loses this election. I don't know if it's hyperbolic to worry about chuds coming into the cities to terrorize people eg. Portland. I’m stocking up again a few days before the election such that we don’t need to leave the house other than work for a few weeks. A silver lining of the pandemic means many schools are closed, but that makes grocery stores a logical place to go for targets. I’m also exceedingly paranoid.
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 23:34 |
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I'm hoping the chuds get trigger happy on each other. I know a Fox News slave who drove by a bunch of chud militia menacing a BLM protest. She saw the armed goons and, recalling her Fox News programming about the armed goons terrorizing our city, asked if they were antifa. Yes. Yes they are. Better run them out of town. E: hm per this unsolicited text from a single mom rideshare driver she and other drivers want to remain independent 4 to 1 and support prop 22. Single mom, everyone, just trying to get by in this crazy workaday world SuperKlaus fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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SuperKlaus posted:E: hm per this unsolicited text from a single mom rideshare driver she and other drivers want to remain independent 4 to 1 and support prop 22. Single mom, everyone, just trying to get by in this crazy workaday world In the future we'll all have the independent scheduling freedom to log in for app-based piecework textbanking for evil billionaires' ballot propositions.
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So this is a confusing situation. Apparently Shahid Buttar was going around calling people today to address the accusations of sexual harassment and complaints from female staffers, and I got a call from him. I cut off my donations months ago when the allegations came out, and I asked him about them. He claimed that these allegations were a deception aimed to harm his campaign, and he asked me to look at an Intercept article going over the allegations: https://theintercept.com/2020/09/25/shahid-buttar-dsa-san-francisco-allegations/ There was a woman, Elizabeth Croyden, who claimed Buttar had harassed her at a party, but the Intercept says that they can't corroborate this story and that actually, she herself may have done something similar to her roommate: quote:Yet Croydon’s claims have not been borne out. The Intercept was not able to corroborate Croydon’s allegations and has interviewed multiple sources who recounted having disturbing interactions with her that caused them to question her credibility. Buttar has denied the allegations from Croydon, who claimed that Buttar verbally harassed her about celibacy and pressed himself against her at a party. Croydon’s former roommate, however, Stacey Haines, told The Intercept that the accusation sounded remarkably familiar, as it was actually Haines who went through a period of celibacy and was mocked and harassed by Croydon for doing so. Croydon, Haines said, appeared to be taking behavior she herself had engaged in and imputing it to Buttar. (Croydon denied Haines’s account to The Intercept. “That’s not accurate,” Croydon said. “She can allege whatever she likes. Everyone has something to gain by taking potshots at me. I’ve put myself in a very vulnerable position, and I have nothing to gain by coming forward.”) Buttar and other individuals in the article claim that the complaints come from disgruntled staff who didn't agree with his campaign strategy, and were also motivated by racism. On the other hand, the article also cites people that say Buttar was known for yelling at and berating his staff. So... this is pretty fraught territory here. There is the question of why he's still trying to reach out a month to go before election. I think I'm going to continue not contributing to his campaign for now. E: devil's advocate. If someone is a competent candidate that can get policy done that you want, does it matter if they're a douche? Especially if no one else steps up to the plate? America Inc. fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/09/30/newsom-to-sign-chokehold-ban-police-shooting-oversight-bill-1319013 This seems good. quote:Newsom signed another measure authored by McCarty, CA AB 1185 (19R), that will give county officials more oversight of sheriff’s departments and grant them more authority to collect records from a department in the course of an investigation. The bill specifically authorizes a county to establish a sheriff oversight board and an office of the inspector general that can issue subpoenas.
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adoration for none posted:E: devil's advocate. Lol it's 2020 I think the devil is doing just fine without your advocacy!
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adoration for none posted:E: devil's advocate. If someone is a competent candidate that can get policy done that you want, does it matter if they're a douche? Especially if no one else steps up to the plate? It’s a tough call. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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eSporks posted:https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/09/30/newsom-to-sign-chokehold-ban-police-shooting-oversight-bill-1319013 There is a backstory to that one; McCarty and the Sacramento county sheriff have been in a pissing match for a while.
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# ? Oct 2, 2020 02:30 |
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adoration for none posted:E: devil's advocate. If someone is a competent candidate that can get policy done that you want, does it matter if they're a douche? Especially if no one else steps up to the plate? But ideally, no, I'd prefer the politician to be a dick to the opposition, not the intern grabbing coffee and cronuts for everyone.
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eSporks posted:https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/09/30/newsom-to-sign-chokehold-ban-police-shooting-oversight-bill-1319013 We have problems with county elected law enforcement, and need independent oversight. We don't feel like doing that but have you considered more county elected law enforcement instead? We'd also like it if police would get prosecuted if they murder people. Well this theoretical oversight board can recommend prosecution or even firing them. To who? The department they're investigating who's internal affairs guys and prosecutors who would be responsible for any action who would've already cleared the officer in question of all wrongdoing.
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FilthyImp posted:LBJ was a bully but we got social security. Jobs was a complete dickhole and revolutionized home computing while yelling at engineers to cut 2 seconds off of the boot time. LBJ didn't pass social security(you're off by decades) and Jobs didn't do poo poo to revolutionize home computing that's Xerox PARC. Great Man hagiographies are stupid.
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# ? Oct 2, 2020 03:09 |
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krysmopompas posted:Pelosi is personally responsible for the deaths of millions around the globe, but the opposition was mean to a former employee that tried to engineer a sex panic in retaliation. 100's of millions dead due to Pelosi's invention, dynamite.
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adoration for none posted:The air quality is getting bad again in the bay area; I hope everybody got an air filter. i got one and it got lost/stolen while being shipped would have had it for this round of smoke otherwise
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gently caress SNEEP posted:100's of millions dead due to Pelosi's invention, dynamite.
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adoration for none posted:Maybe there are self-defense organizations in your area like the SRA? I have heard that it may be good to stock up on supplies for a few days, or just leave the area for a bit. It's loving insane that people even have to think about this. I'm not saying anyone should go out and get a firearm; that's a personal decision that takes a lot of thought on your situation and needs, as well as how safe you believe (or know) you are with possession and usage of firearms, but I am saying that there's local goon resources if you have questions on making that decision or if you do go through with that, as that's better than soliciting advice from randos in gun forums which tend to be full of... not so great people to say the least (there's a reason the thread title for the CA Shooting Thread was last set to "We read Calguns so you don't have to"). Additionally, there's many other goon resources. A goon put together a thread on emergency preparedness in GIP. As said in that thread: door reinforcement kits and shatter-resistant film on windows are steps you can take to help harden your home some from common methods of illegal entry, but it also goes over practical things like backing up your documents, extra food, water, and also medical supplies and medical training. Someone in TFR recently did a thread on people talking about building/purchasing first aid kits and getting medical training, like: Stop the Bleed is a short, cheap course on dealing with traumatic bleeding wounds, and NOLS Wilderness Medicine courses focus on first aid training where medical services aren't immediately available, with increasing certifications based around keeping someone stable for a longer amount of time when medical services aren't available (which is useful if you're out in the wilderness, or maybe in general if medical services aren't immediately available for other reasons). If you're thinking of hooking up with mutual aid, then skills like these are invaluable. Really though, you should get to know your neighbors. Yeah, if your neighbor is flying a confederate flag then it's poo poo, but in general if you already have a line of communication and familiarity with your neighbors then at least you can look out for each other if things go bad, which is the whole idea behind mutual aid. Just going to quote from the preparedness thread: pantslesswithwolves posted:[POST]Community Hope that helps. BeAuMaN fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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krysmopompas posted:Pelosi is personally responsible for the deaths of millions around the globe, but the opposition was mean to a former employee that tried to engineer a sex panic in retaliation. Yeah, you've got a point. I thought about it after posting and decided to give him $50. I legit thought the reaction here would go the other way and was preparing for a verbal pounding. Thanks
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krysmopompas posted:Pelosi is personally responsible for the deaths of millions around the globe, but the opposition was mean to a former employee that tried to engineer a sex panic in retaliation. "Was mean to a former employee" is a pretty hosed up way of putting sexual harassment. adoration for none posted:Yeah, you've got a point. I thought about it after posting and decided to give him $50. I legit thought the reaction here would go the other way and was preparing for a verbal pounding. Thanks And if you think the above is also a good enough point to give money to a sexual harasser, then that is also pretty hosed up. GrandpaPants fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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Shahid isn't going to win so just do what your heart tells you
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Shahid isn't going to win so just do what your heart tells you He wasn't even going to win before the allegations. Pelosi represents the regular voting block of San Francisco perfectly, the, "I have gay friends and fly a pride flag but make gobs and gobs of money so I'd really just prefer to ship the homeless to Oakland or something, I dunno, I could donate a few hundred to a food bank I guess."
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Please do not vote YES on Prop 16 Edit: I can't read right. don longjohns fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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LMAO I am so sorry. I read that article wrong. Mea culpa. One of the last paragraphs made it sound like Prop 16 was trying to pull a Prop 8. I am still leery because of the sponsorship, but yeah I read it wrong. EDIT: Rereading the section that confused me, how the gently caress did prop 209 pass. Goddamn. The 90s were loving awful. don longjohns fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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GrandpaPants posted:"Was mean to a former employee" is a pretty hosed up way of putting sexual harassment.
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krysmopompas posted:I think youre getting the croydon story mixed up with wildes story. What exactly is the point you're trying to make here? That emotional abuse is okay (it's not) but sexual harassment isn't (it's also not)? That Buttar deserves some benefit of the doubt despite a pattern of behavior that points towards him being a piece of poo poo, leading to DSA SF to rescind their endorsement of him? Diminishing any of these testimonies to "was mean" is, as I'll say again, pretty hosed up. Here are some links for others in the thread: https://medium.com/@elizabethcroydon/shahid-buttar-repeatedly-sexually-harassed-me-1a23f22924dd https://twitter.com/Socialist_queer/status/1290695252571914241 https://missionlocal.org/2020/07/shahid-buttar-sexual-harassment-allegation-misogyny-allegation-nancy-pelosi/
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https://medium.com/@ThatsJacqueline/the-many-faces-of-elizabeth-croydon-and-the-puppeteers-the-evolving-summary-bc3b8b29ccec https://independentpoliticalreport....se-accusations/ GrandpaPants posted:What exactly is the point you're trying to make here? That emotional abuse is okay (it's not) but sexual harassment isn't (it's also not)? What about all the sex predators Pelosi has protected over the decades? krysmopompas fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Oct 2, 2020 |
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Yeah uh, can we maybe not do the Tara Reade thing where because the accusers allegations are politically inconvenient, we just slander the accuser? Thanks.
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krysmopompas posted:Pelosi is personally responsible for the deaths of millions around the globe, but the opposition was mean to a former employee that tried to engineer a sex panic in retaliation. lol this is framed like the classic baby Hitler time machine joke, but the ethical dimension is flattened down to voting
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Sydin posted:Yeah uh, can we maybe not do the Tara Reade thing where because the accusers allegations are politically inconvenient, we just slander the accuser? Thanks. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Centrist Committee posted:lol this is framed like the classic baby Hitler time machine joke, but the ethical dimension is flattened down to voting
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100% gently caress shahid buttar and gently caress you for donating to him. Dude is a creep, he was when I did a loving fundraiser for him and volunteered for his campaign, I believe Jasper & Shanti 100%. I got INTO it last night with someone who texted me about continuing to volunteer. E: it's called praxis and it's really loving important
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krysmopompas posted:Can we also not do the Alex Morse thing too, where because the accused fits into some ‘other’ category, we automatically and uncritically fall in line with the bourgeois establishment because it doesn’t threaten our class interests? Believe women.
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