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multijoe posted:Did anyone ever give a technobabble explanation as to why Rom's self replicating mines weren't a clear violation of thermodynamics? 
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Payndz posted:Rom's so stupid he forgot thermodynamics when he designed the mines. So they worked! I’d like to think they just transported pieces of DS9 into their replicator matrix and that was how they made replacement mines. Dukat orders a sweep of the minefield and twenty minutes later his toilet just disappears.
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Oct 22, 2020 12:18
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They never explain it onscreen, but I think the manual said they all have a matter reservoir for building plus can collect and recycle matter from detonated mines (and presumably debris from ships), and will pass matter between each other to top each other up. The minefield is in the middle of the Denorios Belt too, so maybe there's ambient matter and energy in space they can also harvest. And the whole field constantly rearranges itself for optimal distribution of current supplies and collection and to cover holes so it has time to rebuild.
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Oct 22, 2020 12:22
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The Self-replicating minefield that just sucks up matter from the nearby asteroid belt and turns it into new mines is actually one of the times when Star Trek takes a more plausible view as to what a civilisation at the level of the Federation should be able to do.
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Oct 22, 2020 12:25
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It's a 'charged plasma field', the purple swirly background that you could sometimes see in space shots of DS9. DS9 was originally going to be an asteroid belt but that would just be too much expense and hassle for doing in every ship shot so they changed it to just a mini-nebula belt so they could still have some visual interest but do it cheap.
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Oct 22, 2020 12:28
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The station is essentially designed to process raw materials for industrial use, so obviously the mines are reliant on off-screen bajoran labor camps.
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Oct 22, 2020 12:30
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They should've had a second minefield a thousand kilometres away or so that nobody knows about and told it to just drift on over if the first one explodes. Then the second one takes up the place of the first one, uses the remains of the first one to make a new backup field, and tells it to go hide at a random new location. This is probably a war crime or something.
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Oct 22, 2020 12:35
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mossyfisk posted:The station is essentially designed to process raw materials for industrial use, so obviously the mines are reliant on off-screen bajoran labor camps. this makes sense. the cardassians would never allow bajoran labour camps to be dismantled because they're a very important part of cardassian culture
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Oct 22, 2020 12:46
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MikeJF posted:They should've had a second minefield a thousand kilometres away or so that nobody knows about and told it to just drift on over if the first one explodes. The federation? Commiting war crimes with mines? It's more likely that you think!
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Oct 22, 2020 14:57
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MikeJF posted:They never explain it onscreen, but I think the manual said they all have a matter reservoir for building plus can collect and recycle matter from detonated mines (and presumably debris from ships), and will pass matter between each other to top each other up. The minefield is in the middle of the Denorios Belt too, so maybe there's ambient matter and energy in space they can also harvest. And the whole field constantly rearranges itself for optimal distribution of current supplies and collection and to cover holes so it has time to rebuild. Okay, that's a surprisingly cogent explanation!
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Oct 22, 2020 15:00
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MikeJF posted:They should've had a second minefield a thousand kilometres away or so that nobody knows about and told it to just drift on over if the first one explodes. Aren't lindmines a war crime because you can't easily clean them up? Given that you could instantly and completley dismantle the field when the threat has passed that wouldn't be an issue. Edit: They probably tired this once and had a bugged patch that ened up with an enteir solar system being convereted into a death trap by self replicating mines. sunday at work fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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Oct 22, 2020 16:48
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No Luck Needed posted:I watched TOS "the conscience of the king" and I find it so hilarious that Kirk is told there is a mass murder pretending to be an actor in the cold open, later invited to a cocktail party to meet the person face to face, and runs into the actor's hot daughter; pickers her up and dips out. This is one of those scenes where Kirk's sexuality and how he is written is put on full display. Hold on, you've left out a key part of this scene: Lenore Karidian (the daughter) tells Kirk that Anton never attends social events or parties. Kirk went to the party hoping to see Anton, then learns from Lenore that that's not going to happen, and only after that does he 'dip out' with her. Then during their walk he finds out from her what their plans are (booking passage on a... freighter? liner? to the next stop), then later calls up that ship's captain and arranges for the Karidian actors to be stranded, so that Lenore goes to him for help.
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Oct 22, 2020 17:03
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Yes, Kirk absolutely does lean on sexuality in that episode to get what he wants, but it's not to get into a young woman's pants; it's to get at her father.
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Oct 22, 2020 17:06
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sunday at work posted:Aren't lindmines a war crime because you can't easily clean them up? Given that you could instantly and completley dismantle the field when the threat has passed that wouldn't be an issue. Yep. WW2 landmines still turn up in Germany, France and North Africa from time to time.
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Oct 22, 2020 18:21
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sunday at work posted:Aren't lindmines a war crime because you can't easily clean them up? "The Ottawa Convention, also referred to as the "Mine Ban Treaty," prohibits the use, stockpiling, production, and transfer of anti-personnel landmines (APLs). It requires states-parties to destroy their stockpiled APLs within four years and eliminate all APL holdings, including mines currently planted in the soil, within 10 years." From here https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ottawasigs Edit 160 odd countries have signed up. The US is not one of them. Dysgenesis fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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Oct 22, 2020 18:31
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There are like 250k mines on the border of north and South Korea. US hasn’t been granted an exemption for that so we haven’t joined. If I recall correctly anyway.
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Oct 22, 2020 18:37
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sunday at work posted:Aren't lindmines a war crime because you can't easily clean them up? Given that you could instantly and completley dismantle the field when the threat has passed that wouldn't be an issue. that makes a lot of assumptions and I think the Enterprise has run into this sort of dumb trap from long-dead civilizations on a few occasions
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Oct 22, 2020 18:53
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Tunicate posted:that makes a lot of assumptions and I think the Enterprise has run into this sort of dumb trap from long-dead civilizations on a few occasions The ep where Geordi's horny for the ship has one.
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Oct 22, 2020 18:57
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I just watched the Doomsday Machine the other day, and that's the theory Kirk floated about it. Although he never got it confirmed, so maybe the machine was actually possessed by some alien robot satan munching planets on the way to killing alien robot god. sunday at work posted:Aren't lindmines a war crime because you can't easily clean them up? Given that you could instantly and completley dismantle the field when the threat has passed that wouldn't be an issue. It's only a war crime if you've signed the international agreement to not use them, which I guess Starfleet didn't just like America didn't. Or maybe they did and Sisko filed that away along with false flag terrorism to trick somebody into allying you in a war. Or maybe most of the Federation signed an agreement not to use space mines, but humans didn't, so the rest of the Federation could maintain moral superiority while still having the tactical advantage of "immoral" weaponry like Nato. If the Cardassians didn't find a way to remove the minefield and something happened to Rom, then those mines would be stuck in front of the wormhole for a long, long time. I guess at least the mines at least probably wouldn't get stuck replicating to infinity and swarm throughout the galaxy.
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Oct 22, 2020 19:13
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I feel like the wormhole mines (I'm sure someone has named them) would classify as an anti-tank or more likely a naval mine, which I don't think have a ban treaty beyond a requirement that you declare that you mined an area. Bringing this back to the original post: MikeJF posted:They should've had a second minefield a thousand kilometres away or so that nobody knows about and told it to just drift on over if the first one explodes.
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Oct 22, 2020 19:17
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Peter David wrote a book that posited the idea that the thing from Doomsday Machine was designed to kill the Borg
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Oct 22, 2020 19:18
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SlothfulCobra posted:I just watched the Doomsday Machine the other day, and that's the theory Kirk floated about it. The self-replicating mines fall into the wormhole and start teleporting to random points in space, then eat the wormhole aliens and get scattered to random points in time, eventually converting the entire past, present, and future galaxy into a constantly-detonating swarm of self-replicating mines. ... well, that's more of a Discovery plot.
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MikeJF posted:They should've had a second minefield a thousand kilometres away or so that nobody knows about and told it to just drift on over if the first one explodes. Imagine four minefields at the edge of a wormhole. War crime works the same way.
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Oct 22, 2020 19:26
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Tunicate posted:The self-replicating mines fall into the wormhole and start teleporting to random points in space, then eat the wormhole aliens and get scattered to random points in time, eventually converting the entire past, present, and future galaxy into a constantly-detonating swarm of self-replicating mines.
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Oct 22, 2020 20:11
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:There are like 250k mines on the border of north and South Korea. US hasn’t been granted an exemption for that so we haven’t joined. If I recall correctly anyway. Plus the US makes the argument that we possess no persistent landmines in the first place and all of the anti personnel mines we have must be triggered by an operator, not a random person stepping in it. By 2033, we won't have any such mines anyhow because they haven't made any in decades and what we have will be expired. It's that general American stance of "we functionally meet the requirements of the treaty, but we won't sign it" that we seem to like.
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Oct 22, 2020 21:12
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harry wtf did you do https://twitter.com/coreyspowell/status/1319381922280312833?s=21
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Crusader posted:harry wtf did you do Literally a DS9 plot.
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Oct 22, 2020 23:02
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The tiny boat is adorable 
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Oct 22, 2020 23:05
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galenanorth posted:The tiny boat is adorable That’s a Benchy, one of the standard-ish test prints for 3D printers, which is a fun little thing to include in those models.
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Oct 22, 2020 23:11
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Big Mean Jerk posted:That’s a Benchy, one of the standard-ish test prints for 3D printers, which is a fun little thing to include in those models. Like that teapot or the Playboy centerfold wearing a hat.
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Oct 23, 2020 00:59
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SlothfulCobra posted:If the Cardassians didn't find a way to remove the minefield and something happened to Rom, then those mines would be stuck in front of the wormhole for a long, long time. I don't think the Feds would have minded that too much considering they'd tried to close the wormhole previously.
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Oct 23, 2020 01:51
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Payndz posted:Pretty close to a Lexx season arc, IIRC. Aye, season 2.
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Oct 23, 2020 03:07
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nine-gear crow posted:God, there is some prime avatar real estate in that picture. This one jumped out at me. 
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Oct 23, 2020 06:17
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I really hope LD gives us a whole episode animated like that. Edit: vvvv yes, exactly. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Oct 23, 2020 |
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Oct 23, 2020 13:28
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A.o.D. posted:I really hope LD gives us a whole episode animated like that. That would be great for a time travel episode.
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Oct 23, 2020 13:32
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Oh man, the Lower Decks equivalent of a "Trials and Tribble-ations" would be something.
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Oct 23, 2020 16:12
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8one6 posted:That would be great for a time travel episode. Really want this to happen now.
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Nullsmack posted:Oh man, the Lower Decks equivalent of a "Trials and Tribble-ations" would be something. Have them go back in time to that episode and have to avoid DS9 and TOS casts. Over time Star Trek can make this like when Fry was frozen in Futurama and they kept adding things that were in the room.
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I... don't hate that. Retcons are a silly thing for people too worried about Continuity and Canon, but that's a great way to just stick all of the silliness into one concept that you can reuse again and again.
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