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NotJustANumber99 posted:Whilst the rest of your post is some food for thought this is a bit off. There is more to working from home with children there than just needing them to be quiet. His wife doesn't work so it's just a noise issue for him, or so I'm told. 
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learnincurve posted:I’m getting so pissed off with middle class and retired twitter bleating about closing the schools when nothing has been set up for poor kids who will fail GCSEs and A levels if they do. See, the government stops giving money for your kids at 19, so yes, middle class kids can go to college for a re-do, poor kids can’t. Poor kids can’t afford the laptops needed for working from home, and the poorer you get the less likely it is that you are in an environment suitable for home learning - putting little Jessica in your home office is fine, but 14 year old Sam who has to share a bedroom with his 6 year old sister is going to have a bad time. But hey, it’s a sacrifice the middle classes are prepared to make, someone has to work the checkouts but it sure as poo poo better be Sam and not their Jessica. a lot of colleges will offer free GCSE courses in some subjects if you are 19+ and don't already have a C grade or higher. A friend of mine in her 30's is doing her Maths and English in Birmingham somewhere this way.
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There is that whole question, what has changed since last lockdown and what is now in place? For most kids it’s nothing, now if they want to just go “OK reset the year, go home and from now on the new school year starts January the 1st and all benefits will be extended accordingly” then that’s a way forward but just sending the years 10-14 home and going well kids looks like you are missing a whole school year then good luck in your exams” is utter insanity.
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kecske posted:a lot of colleges will offer free GCSE courses in some subjects if you are 19+ and don't already have a C grade or higher. A friend of mine in her 30's is doing her Maths and English in Birmingham somewhere this way. BENEFITS FOR KIDS IN EDUCATION STOP AT 19. MONEY GETS CUT AND YOU LOSE RENT SUBSIDIES. /sigh
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Personally I would suggest that is a problem with the concept of exams. And the concept of mandatory jobs you need the mandatory grades for, etc etc. Basically society is poo poo because it is just a constant series of gatekeeping exercises on people's right to live and be happy. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Nov 3, 2020 |
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Sanford posted:Closing the schools just shines a light on awful poo poo that normally passes unnoticed. Depressingly, closing the schools is making a lot of awful poo poo go unnoticed that normally gets a light shone on it by teachers/attendance records/etc. There are a lot of kids who's only experience good quality of socialisation, stimulation and formal & informal education comes in and around school. Like learnincurve is getting at I'm a bit surprised at all the UKMTers who are giving off the impression that they think closing schools is no big deal and that keeping them open is entirely predicated on allowing people out to work with no other factors to be considered Like Sanford I'm not even sure what point I'm making and I'm not sure that keeping schools open is the right decision, but I'm pretty disappointed at the really simplistic picture some people are drawing here
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"Wherever we shine this light, there's awful poo poo happening.... poor people are terrible!"
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I've seen politicians and also real people I guess point to the fact that there is no evidence that schools are particularly badly driving infection rates. Is this because the evidence has been looked at and deemed to be indicative of such or is it because no one has managed to figure out what the gently caress is going on?
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learnincurve posted:BENEFITS FOR KIDS IN EDUCATION STOP AT 19. MONEY GETS CUT AND YOU LOSE RENT SUBSIDIES. A government that gave a gently caress could extend these things in line with the missed/extended school year.
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^^^ Worth clicking for the punchline. Is that piers morgan's son? NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Nov 3, 2020 |
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learnincurve posted:/sigh I guess i should have cribbed out the part of the post I was referring to instead of quoting the whole thing
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Niric posted:Depressingly, closing the schools is making a lot of awful poo poo go unnoticed that normally gets a light shone on it by teachers/attendance records/etc. There are a lot of kids who's only experience good quality of socialisation, stimulation and formal & informal education comes in and around school. Like learnincurve is getting at I'm a bit surprised at all the UKMTers who are giving off the impression that they think closing schools is no big deal and that keeping them open is entirely predicated on allowing people out to work with no other factors to be considered I don’t think most people who post or read in this thread think it should just be close down all schools. It needs to be part of a massive benefits and support package, too. But neither will happen here or there, it seems. In terms of when you can expect the election to be called there, I’d wager you’ll have a very good idea of where it’s at by 3am or so. It’s absolutely not worth staying up for as there will be plenty of gnashing of teeth the day after. I’m not arrogant about the outcome like in 2016 but I’m pretty optimistic as all the warning signs that Clinton had in 2016, trump has now, literally. Plus tonight he’s been going around complaining about losing and blaming his base, which is hilarious. On the other hand you do have armed gangs of roving thugs with MAGAt flags harassing anyone that has a blm sign or sticker or might loom suspiciously tan
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learnincurve posted:BENEFITS FOR KIDS IN EDUCATION STOP AT 19. MONEY GETS CUT AND YOU LOSE RENT SUBSIDIES. So what are you suggesting they do exactly? You can't send half the kids home as that would wreck havoc on lesson planning and actually teaching.
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wish my uni would close but just got an email saying its not happening
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Unis not closing is mental considering half the students just learn from Moodle and uploaded slides anyway
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NotJustANumber99 posted:^^^ Worth clicking for the punchline. yes. look at the fucker from 2016  what a pus-filled little cum bubble he is https://twitter.com/spencermorgan93/status/1323269486846377987?s=21
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Cancel exams, give everyone As, tell people they can send their kids to school or not, spend the time letting teachers teach whatever they want.
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mediaphage posted:yes. look at the fucker from 2016 Good lord, she looks uncomfortable
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Vigil for Virgil posted:So what are you suggesting they do exactly? I already said there is a partial way of helping, yes it’s financial and does not help with childcare but that’s something that needs looking at alongside furlough - September has always been the start of the school year because Harvest, so it’s meaningless as a date. Send everyone home but do a reset on the whole school year, make it Jan 1st and extend all benefits accordingly so at least poor kids have a chance at getting the GCSEs/A levels they need not to be assigned as poor for life because they were born poor.
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OwlFancier posted:Cancel exams, give everyone As, tell people they can send their kids to school or not, spend the time letting teachers teach whatever they want. Not the worst idea since it’s not like half of it matters for anything they’ll end up doing. And this isn’t a dumb poors line, just reality. for the tots, I mean, older kids can learn on their own pretty well.
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The biggest issue is a lot of parents can't be home to look after kids. So there's a huge problem there, as we aren't in full "March esque" lockdown where everyone is furloughed again.
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Vigil for Virgil posted:The biggest issue is a lot of parents can't be home to look after kids. So there's a huge problem there, as we aren't in full "March esque" lockdown where everyone is furloughed again. I would be shocked if people who think schools should be closed don’t also think that a full lockdown without fake essential workers should be enforced Just give everyone money and tell them to stay home ugh gently caress why are all these leaders such assholes
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mediaphage posted:Just give everyone money and tell them to stay home ugh gently caress why are all these leaders such assholes Until when?
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Until when? Until everyone has the same amount of money and then we'll see.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Until when? Until it's safe
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OwlFancier posted:Until we run out of rich people to take money off How much do we spaff on military funding each year?
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Depends how much money you give me, happy to help get food to the hungry, doubly so if I get paid a lot for it.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Until when? This isn’t difficult. The virus is not magic. If people stay home it dies out in a month. But that’s only if people stay home.
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mediaphage posted:This isn’t difficult. The virus is not magic. If people stay home it dies out in a month. But that’s only if people stay home. What about when someone foreign comes here? Like we could go on like this forever so I'll stop.
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This is the best thing I can see about schools - this is 3 weeks old, but it should still be current. The bottom, yellow line is the 0-15, the darker line above, 16-29 year olds. which then spreads up from there. under 15's themselves are at a low risk (though we can't 100% discount spreading) As I said a while back - this spike is 100% being fueled by the unis and young drinkers, though its being pushed along by complacent adults. The last stats I saw was 1% of primary and 2% of secondary kids have reported positive cases. The people at most risk are the teachers, which is what makes this sucky - they are in the same "hero" category as nurses now. That said, they are important for kid's mental health Having a 4 year old myself, I know how important schools are - he is disappointed when it's not a school day, he practices his phonics when he's supposed to be going to sleep, and I've heard from a friend their kid got themselves dressed for school on a sat, then had a meltdown when told it wasn't open. I doubt most other age groups are that keep, but with the behavioral issues we were seeing creep in, school is the best place for him, for his own sake.
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Can you imagine the reaction of we had full curfew with everyone getting the same food parcels, with only utilities and hospital workers allowed out?
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learnincurve posted:Can you imagine the reaction of we had full curfew with everyone getting the same food parcels, with only utilities and hospital workers allowed out? There would be riots
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Vigil for Virgil posted:Until it's safe If it turns out it is actually possible to run society on the basis that no one needs to work, why would you stop then? Most people think it isn’t, at least yet. And if they are right, a pandemic is not going to change that.
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